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17 Jun 2021, 3:55 am

No. :roll:


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17 Jun 2021, 4:24 am

Nature is beautiful though. There are few things more therapeutic than walking along a quiet beach with the eternal sound of the waves as background music, or admiring the ageless beauty of the mountains from a lofty place. Perhaps people appreciate it better in today's world since most urbanised areas of the world are so crowded that its hard to find peace and quiet.


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17 Jun 2021, 4:31 am

"God" as a rigid personification of law and rule, handy to gain political power - I don't think so.
"God" as a personification of more to life than just our small selves - I think yes.


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17 Jun 2021, 9:22 am






""God" as a rigid personification of law and rule, handy to gain political power - I don't think so.
"God" as a personification of more to life than just our small selves - I think yes."

'My God' Quoted For Truth, HeaR, too;

Yes All Theist; 'All' Means 'Pan'

Bingo! Pan-theist; True

in Environments of

SCaRCiTiES "Big Sky Daddy

God's" Arise to Secure Subsistence,
Reproductive Control, And Territory

As Big Daddy God's are Constructed As Religious/Political/
Social Devices; Yes, Tools To Bond And Bind Over As Tribal God's Arise

To Rule Others in Dividing And Conquering Ways of Human Tribal Nature...

Of Course As Science Shows, All Sentient Beings View Existence Differently;

So, Even in One Sect, of One Pew, of One Religion, in One Church, Ya Get

As Many Views of Existence, Overall, Including Abstract Constructs of God

As There is

Eyes in the

Overall Congregations too...

And To Be Clear, THere Are Other

More Inclusive Terms of 'Pan-All-Theist'

Too As Some Term that the Observable Measurable

Universe And Others Like me Use Additional Abstract Constructs

to Describe God of All Measure And Immeasurable Existence too, in Example,

The Human Conscious And Subconscious Mind; The Inner Unique Universe of

Each Sentient Being And Particularly in the Case of Human Beings Where there

Is No Science Tool Adequate to Measure Our Conscious And Subconscious Existence

As of Course, Those Aren't Two Separate Experiences; We Are Just More Aware of One than the other Now...

Anyway, For Many

Pan-theists Who

See Nature As God

Nature's Beauty Technically

Is Proof of God For Many of THOSE

FOLKS FOR REAL FOR NOW; True, No one here

Will Ever Disprove A Pantheist God's Existence;

Yes, True at Least By Measure, Science Shows 'Nature God' Is Real;

However, Science Alone, Does Not Experience Beauty; Nor Do Some Humans Either

As The Experience of Beauty is An Organic One That Not All Folks Have the Ability to Perceive...

The Biggest

God Is

All;

Shouldn't
Take A 'Rocket

Scientist' to Prove This

When Most of the Other Animals

Not Saddled With Word Thought Even

Have to Question The Experience They Enjoy And Struggle With As All...

Meanwhile, Folks Separate Existence into As Many Puzzle Pieces as they Wish;

Others

Live

All Whole

Complete Nature Enough Naked

in Balance FRiEnDS With Gravity Best

In All Stuff Existence; Meh, Most Humans In So Many Layers of Tools

(Clothes) They Create And Transform into Getting Lost Somewhere on the Bus From 'Work' on

the 'Long Way Back Home'... And Some Folks Worship Death More Than Life; And They Hope to

Meet Big Sky Daddy

God There....

Clue:

Short

Cut is Naked Nature Now Free...

At Least the Other Animals Do It....

While, Like The Movie 'Contact' Inspired

By Carl Sagan, Connections of Love is What

Breeds Happiness Among Human FRiEnDS;

Yet Humans Are A Strange Mix, With Imaginations

And Creativities, Who In Self-Fulfilling Fruition Create Both Dreams of Heaven And

Nightmares of HeLL ON EartH; Cheers, Here's A 'Contact Toast' Wishing Y'All Are Here;

Yet to Be Clear, The Scene in the Movie 'Contact' is 'Pensacola Beach'; Obviously Where

i LiVE iT iS Much Easier to See Nature As God Than Some 'God Awful Middle East Patch of Dirt'

Is It Any Wonder Trademarks

God Became

Man And

Man Became

'Last Prophet' 'Over there'

Where Tribal God's Took Care of "His People"

No, Not at All, 'Those' People Still Carry that

Tradition And Exercise it Within, In The Nature

of Paradise Beach Here; It's All About a Room With A View;

It's All About the Inner UNiVeRSE of Being Human; Two Folks

At the Beach, Hand-in-Hand, one Person Living Heaven the Other one Living Hell...

Been to Both

Sides of

'That Beach'

too, Cheers to

Heaven Within for Close

to 95 Months, Since 7.19.2013...

Thrilled Enough to Write my Own Bible

Longest Form Poem RiSinG to 9.4 MiLLioN Words

in 94 Months; Yes As of 6.18.2021, Tomorrow; Yes,

Honestly, Really, Everyone Writes Their Own Bible;

Whether It's Words or How They Uniquely View

Existence; Some of Us Find Ways to Give and

Share Ours Freely Caring Hopefully Doing it

With Least Harm For All Considered; And

Of Course, my Feeling of Heaven Sensing

The Autotelic Flow and Frission of Dancing

In Public 15,015 Miles Now in the Last 93

Months, Scoring 100 Percent on 'OCEAN' Personality

Traits of Openness And Extraversion; Would Be Literally

Hell For my Wife Who Scores Much Higher in Neuroticism

Than My Close to Zero Score on that Measure too; So Introverted

She is And In Some Areas of Existence A lot more Closed Minded and Bodied 'SouLeD' than me..

Hehe And Not Nearly As Agreeable as Me as Hey, It's Easier to Be Agreeable in Heaven Within Now too...

Conscientious Only on the Task At Hand; She takes Care of the Rest of the Duties That Helps my Heaven too...

Mileage Varies DePenDinG

ALWaYS NoW oN Make

And Model of the

Human Being Vessel

And Vehicle For Heaven

Or Hell; Oh God Yes Now

Oh God Whether Ya Live

Next to Pensacola Beach

Or A Frigging Barren Desert

Where Just Finding Water is a Life or Death Contingency of Life...

Location, Location, Location, Within, Inside, Outside, Above So

Below And All Around; Plenty of Material Still Coming For A Much Bigger

Bible to Eternally Create

Now...

Yawn

Just

A Never

Ending

Nether Land

Story Ongoing indeed This 'God Business' Is...

i Don't LiVE Directly On the Beach; Yet my

Backyard, A Real Garden of Eden is Nestled

in A Forest in A Subdivision Where The Backyard

Nature Travels into Forever of Zen FLoW iN View

And A 7,700 Square Foot Outdoor Room Has Board-

On-Board Complete Privacy Fencing Just installed Yesterday

As My Wife is Always Nagging me Don't Go Outside in Your

Underwear, the Neighbors Might See You in the Small Openings

Between Each Board of the Older Style Privacy Picket Fence; Yes,

New Technologies We Master And Do Not Become Mastered By

Do Enhance The Experience of Heaven, Like This Cool New Typewriter i Found Online

to Stream Consciousness of Holy Creative FLoWinG HeaRT SoUL SPiRiT Everywhere i Go Globally

Managing To Fit All 242 Pounds of my Soul And More In Abstract Constructs At the

Speed of LiGHT; Yes, All Around the Globe Now Through This Fiber

Optic Cable And Yes Uploading Soul this Way Foot Prints

'On The

Beach'

Aren't

Easily

Washed

Away By

'The Tides of Life'

Wave Am i Continuing to Rise

Gently Falling RiSinG Even More

BaLaNCinG Peace/Love FRiEnDS With Gravity in All

Stuff Existence; my Key to Heaven At Least Always OPen 24/7...

In the Movie 'Contact', in An Earlier part of it, When 'Jodie Foster'

First Viewed 'This Paradise' She Said, "So Beautiful" in the 'Frission' She

Was Experiencing Viewing Heaven on Earth in Space; She Said, Instead of A Scientist

"They Should

Have

Sent

A Poet"

to Describe it;

Thing is, If Ya

Don't Experience

The Feeling Sense Head to Toe of 'Orgasmic

Frission' THaT Divine Experience Doesn't Even Exist, For You Whoever You Are,

Personally by UNiVeRSE; No Matter How Great A Poet is Who Puts 'God' Into Words;

InDeed, For Words May only Be Empty Shells on A Beach With no 'See Life (God)'...

Some Folks

Describe

It As Word

Salad too; Those

Now Who See Only

Form Missing Essence Within...

Anyway... God Yes,

Here's Another

Toast, Cheers

to 'Wishing Ya Are Here'...

And to Be Clear my Heaven

Might Be 'Your' Version of Hell...

Obviously, There's Only One Solution;

Create Your Own Heaven or Hell; Write/

Create Your Own 'Bible Of Creative Existence'; Play It; Act it For Real Now;

"Field of Dreams", When 'He' Comes to Play, He And Or Her, Will Be Only You...

With An Option, of Giving Freely, Caring Sharing, Your Version, Your Vision of Heaven

or Hell

or the

Tween

of Grey SHades Existing Now...

Obviously 'Purgatory' On Earth is a Lowest Price to Rent...

And Obviously A Place Most Folks Do Exist, Never too 'Hot' or 'Cold'....

Just Out of Reach of Heaven And Hell Within on Earth For Real; Truly

Perhaps

One Has

To Really

Go to Hell
Now to Get to

Heaven And Stay Forever

Now; as i Observe Human

Nature; More Evidently This
Seems True in Dark And LiGHT too...

-Wishing

Y'all Are THeRE..:)



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17 Jun 2021, 9:48 am

Humans have attributed to gods the beauty and ugliness of nature and natural events, probably as far back as Homo neanderthalensis. The idea of the beauty of nature being evidence for the existence one's god is as plausible as Demeter being responsible for changes in season, or Thor's hammer being the cause of thunder. Such explanations make emotional sense, and that's about it. Kind of like that passage in The Life of Pi, where he asks Which story do you prefer: the one with the animals or the one without the animals?



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17 Jun 2021, 10:07 am

If nature's beauty is proof of God, then is nature's ugliness proof of no God?  For example, if the image on the left proves the existence of God, does the image on the right prove God does not exist?

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17 Jun 2021, 10:12 am

^Is that one and the same place in the pics on left and right? Looks like it...


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17 Jun 2021, 10:28 am

Fnord wrote:
If nature's beauty is proof of God, then is nature's ugliness proof of no God?  For example, if the image on the left proves the existence of God, does the image on the right prove God does not exist?

Image




Duh,

There Are

Plenty of Hot

And Cold Rocks

In Space We Can't
Reasonably Live on...

If Ya Can't Figure Out

Nature God Is Both Destroyer

And Creator One Must Be Living

Somewhere Else Yet Reality Now Hehe...

Yet of Course, You Like me Come From A BackwardsGround

That Separates God into Two Factions; Devil As Well...

To Accomodate

The Fact

That Pain

Makes Pleasure

Feel Better And

Fires Get Nature Back

In Balance When Humans

Wreck Havoc on the Nature of Balance...

Yes That Town Fire Is Ugly; Yet Still Beautiful, If You Are Seeing

Earth From Space And All 'The Cancer' Human Cultures Erect Out of Balance...

Just Depends on A Person's Vision; Some Are Far Sighted; Some Are Near Sighted;

Others See More...

And to Be

Clear

Not

All

Is 'Plain
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17 Jun 2021, 10:38 am

My point is that "the Beauty of Nature" cannot prove the existence of God any more than the ugliness of nature proves that God does not exist.


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17 Jun 2021, 11:03 am

^ Good point, and for all the awesome beauty around us, we're way outnumbered by ugly insects of all kinds, such as cockroaches, fleas and flies. Plus ants by the trillion bucketloads.

I guess the ugly things help us appreciate the beautiful things all the better...


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17 Jun 2021, 11:44 am

Fnord wrote:
My point is that "the Beauty of Nature" cannot prove the existence of God any more than the ugliness of nature proves that God does not exist.





Yes, Yes, 'IT' Both Can And Will;

Both Ugly And Beauty Of Nature

May Prove the Nature of God

For Those Who See All As God'

If One Sees ALL Nature As God Now,

Both Ugly And Beautiful
Same;

And This

Is What Many

Eastern Philosophies

Teach Without 'Clothes'

Of Restricting God Only

For What Humans Wear

In Perceptions of the Tools They Create
And Sadly Become too; In Example, Words Humanly

Abstractly Constructed In A Book Held High to the Heavens Worshipped

As God As Tool Humans Become Rather than Naked Nature Wild Loving

Free; Yes, Both Dark And Light Accepting What Is Best We Can and Will...

Meh, Works

for
me

at
Least...

My God At Least

Is Nature And Real

Both DarK Thru LiGHT

Easy Enough to Prove it

Exists Just Take A Look Around

As Sadly One of the Most Prevalent

Disorders Today is NDD, Nature Deficit

Disorder in my Book Of Life For REAL; GDD, GoD Deficit Disorder Same.

As Far As Semantics Goes, You Are Just Gonna Have to Accept The Fact
That Some Folks Are Pan-All-Theists Or Turn a Blind EYe As Many Do;

All Inclusive; No

Exclusions Baby...

It's Not Like No One

Has Ever Come Up With

A Metaphor Like 'Alpha Thru Omega'

Either And Naming God Any Thing Is Vain And Idol Same...

Anyway, All Nature Subsumes All Smaller 'Trademark Gods' For Real

AS Human iMaGiNaTioN And Creativity Is Ever Nature

Bit As Real As the Leaves We iMaGiNE Co-Creating on

Trees And May Actually

Come to Be

too As

Leaves Feeding

Our Trees Falling

To Soils And Feeding

Souls Of Other Living Trees;

(AKA 'Lion King Circle of Life')

It's Just A Metaphor Baby; It's

Just Another Way of SPeaKinG Nature God...

Way i See it, Trust No Human Clothes (Tools) Alone;

Particularly, Suits, Robes, Ties, And Books; If It's Not On 'A Beach'
And Enough By Bare Foot Prints Left Alone; i Tend to Question it more FOR REAL..:)



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17 Jun 2021, 12:10 pm

its all good till a black bear starts chasing you around,



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The_Znof wrote:
its all good till a black bear starts chasing you around,
You only have to run faster than the slowest member of your party.


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17 Jun 2021, 1:22 pm

Fnord wrote:
The_Znof wrote:
its all good till a black bear starts chasing you around,
You only have to run faster than the slowest member of your party.


trouble is, black bears are very sneaky.



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17 Jun 2021, 1:24 pm

Ah, so if you're a party of 10, the bear just seeks a tithe - the slowest and weakest one, preferably carrying a pack full of cake and pastries!


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19 Jun 2021, 3:25 pm

I should clarify the bad sneaky bear was not 100% genuine bear, but a suburban garbage bear.

what a dick bear! it was only 100-150 lbs, just big enough to be a real problem.