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18 Jun 2021, 7:19 am

Parents who opposed critical race theory on Fox News are GOP activists, report says

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Fox News failed to fully disclose the professional conservative ties of 11 guests featured in numerous segments about the teaching of critical race theory in schools, according to a new report from Media Matters, a liberal watchdog group that monitors conservative media.

Fox News hosts introduced guests who oppose critical race theory as concerned parents, teachers and school board members, while downplaying or ignoring their official ties to larger conservative organizations and causes, according to the report.

While many of the guests are indeed parents or school officials, the Fox News segments rarely included their professional biographies: among them, Republican strategists and lobbyists, staff of conservative think tanks, and media personalities.

That national spotlight has been a boon to at least 165 new local and national groups targeting critical race theory at more than 50 school boards across the country, conservative organizers told NBC News this week.

The Media Matters report highlighted guests including Ian Prior, who leads the school board recall effort in Loudoun County, Virginia. In at least 15 separate appearances, Prior was portrayed as a father first, while scant mention was made of his long ties to groups like the National Republican Congressional Committee or his work as communications director for the conservative Super Pac American Crossroads and the Department of Justice under President Donald Trump.

The report also revealed that Lilit Vanetsyan, a Fairfax County teacher whose fiery speech against critical race theory at a school board meeting went viral this month, is a political activist affiliated with the conservative organization Turning Points USA and a correspondent with the pro-Trump media outlet Right Side Broadcasting Network. On Fox News, she was described simply as “one of the teachers who was at that school board meeting.”

I think media matters only touched the surface of this. Sad thing is the backlash probably would have happened without professional help once parents saw what kids were being taught. From now on pro CRT people will be able to successfully label anti CRT people ignorant, dumb, sheepie falling for a manufactured issue designed to uphold systematic racism. Don’t believe me, do you see too much climate “denial” around these days? A lot of that is visuals seeing extreme weather on TV, but a good part of that is the “deniers” have been successfully labeled sheepie.

Beyond CRT while these psych ops work in the short term the complete lack of trust to paranoia left in their wake is exactly what authoritarians need to destroy democracy.


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18 Jun 2021, 7:46 am

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Beyond CRT while these psych ops work in the short terms the complete lack of trust to paranoia left in their wake is exactly what authoritarians need to destroy democracy.

The information commons is a critical piece of this.

Out of curiosity are you familiar at all with Daniel Schmachtenberger, Samo Burja, or The Concilience Project at all? It's something you might want to look at.


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What do those people not like about studying systemic racism and the fact that America was literally built by people of color whom white-run corporations continue to exploit for cheap and disposable labor?  Are they afraid that their children would feel bad about slavery?  Does it scare them that white people may be sympathetic toward people of color?  Do they have a deeply-rooted phobia against sharing their rights and privileges with people of other races?


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18 Jun 2021, 9:35 am

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What do those people not like about studying systemic racism and the fact that America was literally built by people of color whom white-run corporations continue to exploit for cheap and disposable labor?  Are they afraid that their children would feel bad about slavery?  Does it scare them that white people may be sympathetic toward people of color?  Do they have a deeply-rooted phobia against sharing their rights and privileges with people of other races?

It is being taught to get rid of your whiteness, that if you are born white you are automatically racist because you are automatically privileged, it is that merit is inherently racist, that the goal of colorblindness is inherently racist, that individualism is a cover up for racism, that most human interaction in America is overtly, covertly, consciously or subconsciously racist that people object to.

Some of the objection to CRT training are by racists looking to preserve their white supremacy, CRT does expose the whitewashing of American history all true. But it is a vast overcorrection to these real problems and is racist itself because it judges everything by group identity.

We all have noticed that a higher percentage then the general population of mass shooters lately have been autistic. There has been an understandable whitewashing of this, lets not discuss this lets talk about our “superpowers”. How would we like it is as an overcorrection if all autistics are separated and told to continually be checking to ourselves for mass killing thoughts and microagressions inherent due to our lack of empathy. If children are taught to be “woke” about inherent autistic non empathy, ASPartners on a mass scale? Then when we object are told how can you object to these precautionary steps to prevent harm, that your objections are proof of your autistic non empathy?

While racism and anti ableism are different things because race and neurology are different things judging you by how you are born, the gaslighting to objections are similar.


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18 Jun 2021, 10:20 am

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What do those people not like about studying systemic racism and the fact that America was literally built by people of color whom white-run corporations continue to exploit for cheap and disposable labor?  Are they afraid that their children would feel bad about slavery?  Does it scare them that white people may be sympathetic toward people of color?  Do they have a deeply-rooted phobia against sharing their rights and privileges with people of other races?

It is being taught to get rid of your whiteness, that if you are born white you are automatically racist because you are automatically privileged, it is that merit is inherently racist, that the goal of colorblindness is inherently racist, that individualism is a cover up for racism, that most human interaction in America is overtly, covertly, consciously or subconsciously racist that people object to.


Isn't abandoning whiteness obligatory to build the sort of colourblind world that you express desiring?

Ultimately other colour type identities exist only as a contrast to whiteness. Whiteness as a social concept is a relic of colonialism and rejecting the concept as a society is important if one wants to build a society where their national identity no longer treats non-whites as perpetual foreigners who can never truly be full citizens.


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What do those people not like about studying systemic racism and the fact that America was literally built by people of color whom white-run corporations continue to exploit for cheap and disposable labor?  Are they afraid that their children would feel bad about slavery?  Does it scare them that white people may be sympathetic toward people of color?  Do they have a deeply-rooted phobia against sharing their rights and privileges with people of other races?

It is being taught to get rid of your whiteness, that if you are born white you are automatically racist because you are automatically privileged, it is that merit is inherently racist, that the goal of colorblindness is inherently racist, that individualism is a cover up for racism, that most human interaction in America is overtly, covertly, consciously or subconsciously racist that people object to.

Some of the objection to CRT training are by racists looking to preserve their white supremacy, CRT does expose the whitewashing of American history all true. But it is a vast overcorrection to these real problems and is racist itself because it judges everything by group identity.

We all have noticed that a higher percentage then the general population of mass shooters lately have been autistic. There has been an understandable whitewashing of this, lets not discuss this lets talk about our “superpowers”. How would we like it is as an overcorrection if all autistics are separated and told to continually be checking to ourselves for mass killing thoughts and microagressions inherent due to our lack of empathy. If children are taught to be “woke” about inherent autistic non empathy, ASPartners on a mass scale? Then when we object are told how can you object to these precautionary steps to prevent harm, that your objections are proof of your autistic non empathy?

While racism and anti ableism are different things because race and neurology are different things judging you by how you are born, the gaslighting to objections are similar.


Very well put like the comparison with autism. Its not about equality or anti racism anymore rather encroachment on the lives of innocent civilians and indoctrination of the young

That`s why there is a push back, a new saying in politics "go woke go broke"


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18 Jun 2021, 11:18 am

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Parents who opposed critical race theory on Fox News are GOP activists, report says
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Fox News failed to fully disclose the professional conservative ties of 11 guests featured in numerous segments about the teaching of critical race theory in schools, according to a new report from Media Matters, a liberal watchdog group that monitors conservative media.

Fox News hosts introduced guests who oppose critical race theory as concerned parents, teachers and school board members, while downplaying or ignoring their official ties to larger conservative organizations and causes, according to the report.

While many of the guests are indeed parents or school officials, the Fox News segments rarely included their professional biographies: among them, Republican strategists and lobbyists, staff of conservative think tanks, and media personalities.

That national spotlight has been a boon to at least 165 new local and national groups targeting critical race theory at more than 50 school boards across the country, conservative organizers told NBC News this week.

The Media Matters report highlighted guests including Ian Prior, who leads the school board recall effort in Loudoun County, Virginia. In at least 15 separate appearances, Prior was portrayed as a father first, while scant mention was made of his long ties to groups like the National Republican Congressional Committee or his work as communications director for the conservative Super Pac American Crossroads and the Department of Justice under President Donald Trump.

The report also revealed that Lilit Vanetsyan, a Fairfax County teacher whose fiery speech against critical race theory at a school board meeting went viral this month, is a political activist affiliated with the conservative organization Turning Points USA and a correspondent with the pro-Trump media outlet Right Side Broadcasting Network. On Fox News, she was described simply as “one of the teachers who was at that school board meeting.”

I think media matters only touched the surface of this. Sad thing is the backlash probably would have happened without professional help once parents saw what kids were being taught. From now on pro CRT people will be able to successfully label anti CRT people ignorant, dumb, sheepie falling for a manufactured issue designed to uphold systematic racism. Don’t believe me, do you see too much climate “denial” around these days? A lot of that is visuals seeing extreme weather on TV, but a good part of that is the “deniers” have been successfully labeled sheepie.

Beyond CRT while these psych ops work in the short term the complete lack of trust to paranoia left in their wake is exactly what authoritarians need to destroy democracy.


Of course, the opposition to Critical Race Theory is purely political and part of the right's culture wars. The only real reason to oppose Critical Race Theory is to put off addressing systemic racism. Just as climate denial is to put off addressing the externalities of our economic system.

As far as destroying democracy, I think January 6 will indicate where the threat to democracy lies.



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18 Jun 2021, 11:20 am

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What do those people not like about studying systemic racism and the fact that America was literally built by people of color whom white-run corporations continue to exploit for cheap and disposable labor?  Are they afraid that their children would feel bad about slavery?  Does it scare them that white people may be sympathetic toward people of color?  Do they have a deeply-rooted phobia against sharing their rights and privileges with people of other races?

It is being taught to get rid of your whiteness, that if you are born white you are automatically racist because you are automatically privileged, it is that merit is inherently racist, that the goal of colorblindness is inherently racist, that individualism is a cover up for racism, that most human interaction in America is overtly, covertly, consciously or subconsciously racist that people object to.


Isn't abandoning whiteness obligatory to build the sort of colourblind world that you express desiring?

Ultimately other colour type identities exist only as a contrast to whiteness. Whiteness as a social concept is a relic of colonialism and rejecting the concept as a society is important if one wants to build a society where their national identity no longer treats non-whites as perpetual foreigners who can never truly be full citizens.

Their is a difference in acknowledging how one is born and judging peoples quality and character by how they were born. Whiteness is a pejorative, a judgement based on how people were born racist, privileged, fragile etc.


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18 Jun 2021, 11:26 am

Just curious. Has any of the pro-CRT people on this site taken the actual course?



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As far as destroying democracy, I think January 6 will indicate where the threat to democracy lies.

This is not a question of either or but both. One can spend a lot of time arguing which existential threat is worse. I am sure one “tribe” is more of a threat then the other. I choose not to spend much time engaging in that academic exercise. Both are existential threats and both strengthen each other by seemingly validating each other. That is why we are in a hell of lot of trouble.


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What do those people not like about studying systemic racism and the fact that America was literally built by people of color whom white-run corporations continue to exploit for cheap and disposable labor?  Are they afraid that their children would feel bad about slavery?  Does it scare them that white people may be sympathetic toward people of color?  Do they have a deeply-rooted phobia against sharing their rights and privileges with people of other races?

It is being taught to get rid of your whiteness, that if you are born white you are automatically racist because you are automatically privileged, it is that merit is inherently racist, that the goal of colorblindness is inherently racist, that individualism is a cover up for racism, that most human interaction in America is overtly, covertly, consciously or subconsciously racist that people object to.

Some of the objection to CRT training are by racists looking to preserve their white supremacy, CRT does expose the whitewashing of American history all true. But it is a vast overcorrection to these real problems and is racist itself because it judges everything by group identity.

We all have noticed that a higher percentage then the general population of mass shooters lately have been autistic. There has been an understandable whitewashing of this, lets not discuss this lets talk about our “superpowers”. How would we like it is as an overcorrection if all autistics are separated and told to continually be checking to ourselves for mass killing thoughts and microagressions inherent due to our lack of empathy. If children are taught to be “woke” about inherent autistic non empathy, ASPartners on a mass scale? Then when we object are told how can you object to these precautionary steps to prevent harm, that your objections are proof of your autistic non empathy?

While racism and anti ableism are different things because race and neurology are different things judging you by how you are born, the gaslighting to objections are similar.


Well, I would say you don't understand what systemic racism is. It is not addressing whether you personally are an overt racist and are a card carrying member of the KKK. It is saying that race shapes our policy and social systems which biases outcomes. There are different variables in that as well. A rich white guy will have certain advantages (privileges) than a poor white woman. Those outcomes can be measured.

And where are you getting your shooting stats? Please list real crime stats. Also look at research on criminal behavior and neurotypes. Or is this a personal view coming from watching news? A news story is not statistically significant, jst as you person experience is not statistically significant with which to judge systemic racism.

As far as CRT, it is simply one framework among many. It is simply looking at the race issue. To say it is exclusionary is absurd and simply right-wing propaganda. As a policy analyst, CRT is one tool among many to understand the world. Naturally, those opposed to solving racism, just like those opposed to solving climate change, would rather discredit those fields.

But perhaps you don't think abilism is systemic, but just certain behavior from specific able individuals supporting able supremacy?



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As far as destroying democracy, I think January 6 will indicate where the threat to democracy lies.

This is not a question of either or but both. One can spend a lot of time arguing which existential threat is worse. I am sure one “tribe” is more of a threat then the other. I choose not to spend much time engaging in that academic exercise. Both are existential threats and both strengthen each other by seemingly validating each other. That is why we are in a hell of lot of trouble.


This is simply false equivalency: the both sides do it too argument. And this is your fallacy with your spin on CRT. You are simply pointing to the fringe and not looking in the middle. There is no question the right in this country has moved to extremes while the left has been stayed in the center. Name the last time our Capitol was attacked to overturn an election? Name the last time a physical attack on or democratic institutions was carried out and one political party block any investigation or recognition of that? If you think we are at a point in our history where there is an equivalency in right/left ideology, then you have not been paying attention.

We are in trouble because of political extremism on the right. You don't believe me. Well, lets take about rational gun control? Let talk about a rational climate policy? A tax policy? It is not the left/Democrats in this country that are blocking any discussion on that. Unless you think changing the orbit of the moon should be investigated?



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Just curious. Has any of the pro-CRT people on this site taken the actual course?


Have you? I have a Masters degree in public policy and those concepts are part of that. So I would really be interested in your experience.



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What do those people not like about studying systemic racism and the fact that America was literally built by people of color whom white-run corporations continue to exploit for cheap and disposable labor?  Are they afraid that their children would feel bad about slavery?  Does it scare them that white people may be sympathetic toward people of color?  Do they have a deeply-rooted phobia against sharing their rights and privileges with people of other races?

It is being taught to get rid of your whiteness, that if you are born white you are automatically racist because you are automatically privileged, it is that merit is inherently racist, that the goal of colorblindness is inherently racist, that individualism is a cover up for racism, that most human interaction in America is overtly, covertly, consciously or subconsciously racist that people object to.

Some of the objection to CRT training are by racists looking to preserve their white supremacy, CRT does expose the whitewashing of American history all true. But it is a vast overcorrection to these real problems and is racist itself because it judges everything by group identity.

We all have noticed that a higher percentage then the general population of mass shooters lately have been autistic. There has been an understandable whitewashing of this, lets not discuss this lets talk about our “superpowers”. How would we like it is as an overcorrection if all autistics are separated and told to continually be checking to ourselves for mass killing thoughts and microagressions inherent due to our lack of empathy. If children are taught to be “woke” about inherent autistic non empathy, ASPartners on a mass scale? Then when we object are told how can you object to these precautionary steps to prevent harm, that your objections are proof of your autistic non empathy?

While racism and anti ableism are different things because race and neurology are different things judging you by how you are born, the gaslighting to objections are similar.


Very well put like the comparison with autism. Its not about equality or anti racism anymore rather encroachment on the lives of innocent civilians and indoctrination of the young

That`s why there is a push back, a new saying in politics "go woke go broke"

Hypothetical opposite situation of my original scenario. Killing of autistic goes viral, there are Autistic Lives Matter “mostly peaceful” protests and riots everywhere. Eugenist Teddy Roosevelt statues knocked down, ABA clinics and Autism Speaks places burnt to the ground. Critical Neurology Theory becomes a thing, people told to check their NT privilege, all NT’s are ableist due to said privilege and better yet get rid of their social hierarchy bullying Neurotypicality. This is taught in schools, mandatory courses in companies. While I wish it were not so I have to admit there would be at least some emotional satisfaction for me in that scenario. I would expect and hope I would recognize the nightmare that would be.


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ASPartOfMe wrote:
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What do those people not like about studying systemic racism and the fact that America was literally built by people of color whom white-run corporations continue to exploit for cheap and disposable labor?  Are they afraid that their children would feel bad about slavery?  Does it scare them that white people may be sympathetic toward people of color?  Do they have a deeply-rooted phobia against sharing their rights and privileges with people of other races?

It is being taught to get rid of your whiteness, that if you are born white you are automatically racist because you are automatically privileged, it is that merit is inherently racist, that the goal of colorblindness is inherently racist, that individualism is a cover up for racism, that most human interaction in America is overtly, covertly, consciously or subconsciously racist that people object to.


Isn't abandoning whiteness obligatory to build the sort of colourblind world that you express desiring?

Ultimately other colour type identities exist only as a contrast to whiteness. Whiteness as a social concept is a relic of colonialism and rejecting the concept as a society is important if one wants to build a society where their national identity no longer treats non-whites as perpetual foreigners who can never truly be full citizens.

Their is a difference in acknowledging how one is born and judging peoples quality and character by how they were born. Whiteness is a pejorative, a judgement based on how people were born racist, privileged, fragile etc.


Whiteness and white privilege are worthwhile concepts that are not meant as mere pejoratives.
Attempting to reduce them to pejoratives seems like a shady attempt at invalidating them.


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Hypothetical opposite situation of my original scenario. Killing of autistic goes viral, there are Autistic Lives Matter “mostly peaceful” protests and riots everywhere. Eugenist Teddy Roosevelt statues knocked down, ABA clinics and Autism Speaks places burnt to the ground. Critical Neurology Theory becomes a thing, people told to check their NT privilege, all NT’s are ableist due to said privilege and better yet get rid of their social hierarchy bullying Neurotypicality. This is taught in schools, mandatory courses in companies. While I wish it were not so I have to admit there would be at least some emotional satisfaction for me in that scenario. I would expect and hope I would recognize the nightmare that would be.


But most people who don't have a disability are unaware of ableism and would probably benefit from being more aware of it. Even people who have a disability sometimes struggle when dealing with people more severely or differently disabled than they are.

The world wouldn't be obliged to make our perspectives the only ones heard, but society would benefit from listening to them even if at first they need to be presented in a very pro-active manner to ensure they're heard.


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