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21 Jun 2021, 4:20 am

Do you find that reading books is a social thing?
I have to understand the mind of the author(s).
Would that be difficult as this have to do with theory of mind?

I just read a book about Martin Luther and I did not find the 95 thesis in the book. Most "NTs" don't need to actually read the 95 thesis but only read a text that says that Luther wrote them? Now I am no fan of "NT" stereotypes. I only said that it seems common for most people to do or need a certain thing.
Most "aspies" want or need the details?

Books are difficult for me to read.
I find that reading them is not a relaxation from the social world. The social difficulties due to ASD do not dissapear when reading books. I get frustrated with books.

What are your personal experiences? Do books also frustrates you as well? Or is reading books enjoyment for you?
Any tips for me?



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21 Jun 2021, 9:51 pm

What are your favorite genres of literature?


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22 Jun 2021, 12:44 am

I have read that Aspergers are no good at fiction?



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22 Jun 2021, 1:05 am

Apart from reading Victorian novels to my wife, I rarely read any books from start to end. Non-fiction always seems too drawn out, and I often wish they'd just written a summary as a pamphlet to just give me the gist of their thesis, so as to save time. I sometimes read reviews of such books if they provide such a summary. I read the occasional fiction book a long time ago, and enjoyed those, though there were many fiction books I couldn't follow.

I remember trying to read P.G.Wodehouse's "Full Moon" - in those days my brain often couldn't focus on fiction narratives and I was often left frustrated and worried I might have some kind of brain damage, but that particular time I stumbled on the idea of writing down the names of the characters and mapping out their relationships to each other. I was very glad to find that it worked very well, and I was soon enjoying the book. It also pointed me to one of the reasons I had trouble with fiction - if there are many characters, I can't absorb the details of who is who or remember their names if I just try to read it at anything like a normal pace, but once I've forced my brain to actively process the information, I can follow the book easily.

So after that I knew what to do. Though strangely enough, I then didn't bother to read many other novels. I suppose I always had more interesting things to do, and it always seemed such a lonely pastime. Later on I discovered the pleasure of reading fiction to partners and eventually to my son. At last there was a social dimension, and apart from reading stories to children I suppose many people these days never bother, and I've always liked the idea of doing things the mainstream doesn't do. It also gave me the chance to develop the skill of doing the job well, honing up my intonation and giving my brain a bit of practice. I was pretty much the best kid at school for reading aloud when I was a small child, and it's been good fun to become more advanced and take on Victorian novels with their numerous subordinate clauses and deliciously quaint, intelligent and clear way of expressing themselves. And I didn't even need to be able to follow the plot, though I discovered I could actually follow it rather better when I was reading aloud.

I also like the way novels describe human feelings so much. I'm lucky enough to be able to understand feelings reasonably easily when they're written down like that, certainly it's easier for me than watching a film where I have more trouble figuring them out from pictures, and that goes for the plot too. And I can take a book at whatever speed I like, and navigate back and forth more easily than with a video (it's impossible with live television and cinema of course). As for the feelings, I think they've helped me learn more about those in general.

I've never been in a book club (where the members each read something and then present a summary of it and what they made of it), but I think it's an excellent idea. Again it's slightly unusual, and it would probably be a good way of finding thoughtful people who like to do something intelligent together that doesn't involve buying anything or cow-towing to a leader.



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22 Jun 2021, 1:27 am

I read a lot, but I prefer non-fiction to fiction. I am particularly fond of history and scientific topics.

And the fictional works I *do* enjoy tend to focus on very tangible subjects (science fiction, crime etc.) rather than emotional and relational ones (like romance and family dramas). Alas, many of the most celebrated works of fiction tend to fall in the latter category.

I suspect this is a somewhat common feature for many on the spectrum due to alexithymia (the inability to identify and describe emotions).



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22 Jun 2021, 1:53 am

GGPViper wrote:
rather than emotional and relational ones (like romance and family dramas).

Must admit family nomenclature still baffles me. I have to think for a while even to remember what a cousin is. I easily get who's in a relationship with who, and parents and their children, I'm not too bad at siblings, but the rest is just a blur. To me it's not really important, but it's very important to most people, and they tend to write books for most people, so they often have the advantage over me with a lot of stories.



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22 Jun 2021, 3:26 am

ToughDiamond wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
rather than emotional and relational ones (like romance and family dramas).

Must admit family nomenclature still baffles me. I have to think for a while even to remember what a cousin is. I easily get who's in a relationship with who, and parents and their children, I'm not too bad at siblings, but the rest is just a blur. To me it's not really important, but it's very important to most people, and they tend to write books for most people, so they often have the advantage over me with a lot of stories.

I have difficulties with what you call second cousin and so on. It isn't an easy system.in you are untrained!



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22 Jun 2021, 3:31 am

ToughDiamond wrote:
Apart from reading Victorian novels to my wife, I rarely read any books from start to end. Non-fiction always seems too drawn out, and I often wish they'd just written a summary as a pamphlet to just give me the gist of their thesis, so as to save time. I sometimes read reviews of such books if they provide such a summary. I read the occasional fiction book a long time ago, and enjoyed those, though there were many fiction books I couldn't follow.

I remember trying to read P.G.Wodehouse's "Full Moon" - in those days my brain often couldn't focus on fiction narratives and I was often left frustrated and worried I might have some kind of brain damage, but that particular time I stumbled on the idea of writing down the names of the characters and mapping out their relationships to each other. I was very glad to find that it worked very well, and I was soon enjoying the book. It also pointed me to one of the reasons I had trouble with fiction - if there are many characters, I can't absorb the details of who is who or remember their names if I just try to read it at anything like a normal pace, but once I've forced my brain to actively process the information, I can follow the book easily.

So after that I knew what to do. Though strangely enough, I then didn't bother to read many other novels. I suppose I always had more interesting things to do, and it always seemed such a lonely pastime. Later on I discovered the pleasure of reading fiction to partners and eventually to my son. At last there was a social dimension, and apart from reading stories to children I suppose many people these days never bother, and I've always liked the idea of doing things the mainstream doesn't do. It also gave me the chance to develop the skill of doing the job well, honing up my intonation and giving my brain a bit of practice. I was pretty much the best kid at school for reading aloud when I was a small child, and it's been good fun to become more advanced and take on Victorian novels with their numerous subordinate clauses and deliciously quaint, intelligent and clear way of expressing themselves. And I didn't even need to be able to follow the plot, though I discovered I could actually follow it rather better when I was reading aloud.

I also like the way novels describe human feelings so much. I'm lucky enough to be able to understand feelings reasonably easily when they're written down like that, certainly it's easier for me than watching a film where I have more trouble figuring them out from pictures, and that goes for the plot too. And I can take a book at whatever speed I like, and navigate back and forth more easily than with a video (it's impossible with live television and cinema of course). As for the feelings, I think they've helped me learn more about those in general.

I've never been in a book club (where the members each read something and then present a summary of it and what they made of it), but I think it's an excellent idea. Again it's slightly unusual, and it would probably be a good way of finding thoughtful people who like to do something intelligent together that doesn't involve buying anything or cow-towing to a leader.

Is a summary really enough? Most of the text is meaningless?



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22 Jun 2021, 3:37 am

GGPViper wrote:
I read a lot, but I prefer non-fiction to fiction. I am particularly fond of history and scientific topics.

And the fictional works I *do* enjoy tend to focus on very tangible subjects (science fiction, crime etc.) rather than emotional and relational ones (like romance and family dramas). Alas, many of the most celebrated works of fiction tend to fall in the latter category.

I suspect this is a somewhat common feature for many on the spectrum due to alexithymia (the inability to identify and describe emotions).

I find that most non-finction books often don't mention important info. It is more about getting the gist of it.
Do most people just want the gist of it without any deeper understanding?
What are your experiences?



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22 Jun 2021, 3:49 am

Technic1 wrote:
I have read that Aspergers are no good at fiction?

I have heard that as well.
Many of us do in fact like theatre, movies, and novels. People love stereotypes! I hate them!
I guess I like theatre and movies more than novels.

https://aspergersautismnews.com/2020/02 ... n-fiction/



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22 Jun 2021, 11:41 am

Dandansson wrote:
Is a summary really enough? Most of the text is meaningless?

I wouldn't go quite that far, but I do think a lot of books contain a great deal of woffle. How much of what's in a book would most people be able to remember a few days after finishing it? I doubt it would be a lot. Certainly isn't for me. So what's the point reading it if it's going to be forgotten?



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22 Jun 2021, 12:32 pm

I read a lot!
I've had my periods of just non-fiction, but I've always enjojed fiction as well.
I don't usually have a problem with family ties - who is the cousin etc - but in some books there are too many people, I can't keep track of what name corresponds to which person.

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24 Jun 2021, 4:45 am

mohsart wrote:
I read a lot!
I've had my periods of just non-fiction, but I've always enjojed fiction as well.
I don't usually have a problem with family ties - who is the cousin etc - but in some books there are too many people, I can't keep track of what name corresponds to which person.

/Mats

I still havent learned what a "syssling" is.
I probably should have.



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24 Jun 2021, 4:48 am

ToughDiamond wrote:
Dandansson wrote:
Is a summary really enough? Most of the text is meaningless?

I wouldn't go quite that far, but I do think a lot of books contain a great deal of woffle. How much of what's in a book would most people be able to remember a few days after finishing it? I doubt it would be a lot. Certainly isn't for me. So what's the point reading it if it's going to be forgotten?

I know what you mean. A lot of books contain info that will be forgotten unless you really try to memorize it.



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24 Jun 2021, 8:32 am

Dandansson wrote:
I still havent learned what a "syssling" is.
I probably should have.

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24 Jun 2021, 6:43 pm

Dandansson wrote:
A lot of books contain info that will be forgotten unless you really try to memorize it.

Yes. I think a lot (not all) of non-fiction books are deliberately diluted and padded out with dispensable, semi-relevent stuff just to make it big enough to call a book, so they can hope to charge more for it. It doesn't seem so credible to put a high price tag on a pamphlet. I get particularly annoyed when the author starts inventing new terms and expects the reader to learn them and to get heavily involved in the author's style of thinking. Maybe other people don't find that difficult, but it would take me a long time and until I've done it, I can't be at all sure that what the author has to say will be worth the effort, so usually I don't bother and the book remains unread.