Anyone afraid to take the covid vaccine because of Fauchi?

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09 Jul 2021, 8:58 am

ToughDiamond wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
The healthcare system is not overwhelmed. The vaccine doesn't prevent you from catching, transmitting or dying from Covid so what is the point?

In the UK the healthcare system got so overloaded with Covid cases that there's still a backlog for everything else that will take years to clear.


There is a backlog of cases in the NHS due to the fact the NHS
shutdown and refused to treat any genuinely sick patients,
while they kept the wards clear for the anticipated Covid-19
onslaught. This onslaught never happened and many wards
remained empty while the sick were refused treatment
and turned away, which has led not only to this current
backlog but also to thousands of unnecessary deaths.

As a consequence of the lack of Covid-19 patients,
the temporary "Nightingale" hospitals that were built
to take the expected patient overflow were not needed:

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over summer 2020, one issue came to define the narrative around the Nightingales – quite simply, they were not seeing many patients. And now, one year after they were built, many of the facilities are either being decommissioned or repurposed as mass vaccination centres or diagnostic centres.

Inevitably then, there have been disagreements over whether the Nightingales – which were created at the cost of more than £530 million – should be seen as white elephants that could never have been used, or as the ‘ultimate insurance policy that were thankfully not needed’.


The following chart from the Office Of National Statistics shows
25,000-27,000 Non Covid-19 related deaths occurred at the
patients home residence, many of whom were denied hospital
admittance:
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ToughDiamond wrote:
The vaccine mostly does stop you dying from Covid.


Data released from Public Health England suggest
that the majority of Covid-19 deaths are currently
among the vaccinated:
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ToughDiamond wrote:
It also significantly reduces transmission.


There are real world examples of Covid-19 moving
freely from vaccinated to vaccinated:

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A vaccinated student has caused a small outbreak of coronavirus in the coastal city of Tel Aviv last week infecting at least 83 young people who attended an end-of-year party.

Health authorities in Israel are worrying about the case due to the chain of infection that led to the outbreak.

The Times of Israel reported that the young man who distributed the virus at the party was vaccinated. The reports said that a relative who had also been vaccinated had infected the young man. Another person who had also been vaccinated and who was recently in London reportedly infected the relative of the young man.


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09 Jul 2021, 9:33 am

Soliloquist wrote:
Data released from Public Health England suggest
that the majority of Covid-19 deaths are currently
among the vaccinated

There are real world examples of Covid-19 moving
freely from vaccinated to vaccinated


Current Covid deaths per day are only of the order of 20 to 30 in the entire UK, too few to draw significant conclusions, assuming your first claim is true. For some reason your images aren't showing up in my browser, just the word "image" where they should be.
Nobody's ever claimed 100% protection from a Covid vaccine, but I can't believe vaccination gives zero protection from the currently-known strains. Even single doses and AZ have been shown to cut the rate of infection by over 50%, and I've seen a lot of reports of around 95% protection from 2 jabs of the best vaccines.



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09 Jul 2021, 10:07 am

Soliloquist wrote:
There is a backlog of cases in the NHS due to the fact the NHS
shutdown and refused to treat any genuinely sick patients,
while they kept the wards clear for the anticipated Covid-19
onslaught. This onslaught never happened and many wards
remained empty while the sick were refused treatment
and turned away, which has led not only to this current
backlog but also to thousands of unnecessary deaths.

I heard that the first wave of Covid deaths was to a degree driven by kicking infected old people out of hospitals and into care homes, and I don't doubt that there may have been other irresponsible decisions taken by hospital bigwigs and politicians.

The remark of mine you quoted was my response to Mr Reynholm's assertion that

"the healthcare system is not overwhelmed. The vaccine doesn't prevent you from catching, transmitting or dying from Covid so what is the point?"

I still don't believe that Covid itself didn't make a big contribution to the greatly lengthened waiting lists for cancer treatment etc. that now exists. They might not have had to use the Nightingale hospitals as things turned out, but they had to plan for the risk that they would be needed. We got lucky and the expensive "fire extinguisher" wasn't required after all, and so it turned out to be a waste of money, in hindsight. The kind of mismanagement I blame more for our troubles is the mismanagement of delaying the first lockdown and forcing people back to work too soon. I think it's cost them more in the long run.



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09 Jul 2021, 10:12 am

The biggest problem with hospital overwhelm is not with buildings but with staff.
Here, temporary hospitals were used during the two big waves and still the regular ones were full.
Now they're busy doing all the postponed treatments to do as much as possible before the expected fourth wave in October-November.


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09 Jul 2021, 10:00 pm

ToughDiamond wrote:
Current Covid deaths per day are only of the order of 20 to 30 in the entire UK, too few to draw significant conclusions, assuming your first claim is true. For some reason your images aren't showing up in my browser, just the word "image" where they should be.

It's a chart that says that 92,029 Delta cases required hospitalization between Feb 1 and June 21, 2021.
Only 7235 were fully vaccinated.
82,458 of them were under the age of 50.
It also says that 117 people died from said variant.
50 of them were fully vaccinated, and 67 were not.
Only 8 deaths were under the age of 50, and none of them were fully vaccinated.


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10 Jul 2021, 12:42 am

SabbraCadabra wrote:
It's a chart that says that 92,029 Delta cases required hospitalization between Feb 1 and June 21, 2021.
Only 7235 were fully vaccinated.
82,458 of them were under the age of 50.
It also says that 117 people died from said variant.
50 of them were fully vaccinated, and 67 were not.
Only 8 deaths were under the age of 50, and none of them were fully vaccinated.

Thanks. So the cases were between 1 and 5 months old, and 43% of the deaths were fully vaccinated - not a majority then, and only 117 people which I wouldn't think is enough for much statistical significance, but superficially that still seems an alarming proportion. Still, the other finding is 93% protection from hospitalisation. I think that would be closer to what the individual contemplating the jab would want to know, than counting the jabbed versus the unjabbed in a pile of dead bodies, and it's in keeping with what I've seen in other research, for example:

This paper is still pre-print, it was the alpha form of Covid that was prevalent at the time, and I'm not saying it's the last word in the research, but it does seem to show that the level of protection from 2 jabs is in keeping with what I've seen before, i.e. 90 to 100%, though some vulnerable groups don't do so well. Probably not too much should be read into it, though the sample size is 1 million, which is much better. So the vaccines seem to be fairly effective (especially compared with the flu jab) as long as you get 2 doses.

It's a heavy read, but the BBC have also summarised it for those less familiar with science. Unfortunately the truth is often complicated and requires careful, clear thinking and some specialist education in the field. I can see the trust problem for people who don't have that education, but anybody who wants to know has the option of doing the hard work of fathoming what it means. Though I'm not claiming I understand the whole paper perfectly. After an hour or two studying it, I think I've figured out a lot of it, but not all.

https://khub.net/documents/135939561/43 ... c796f5a91f

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57781073



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10 Jul 2021, 8:21 am



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