Anyone afraid to take the covid vaccine because of Fauchi?

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04 Jul 2021, 1:51 am

Anthony Fauchi, who has had a hand in the vaccine, there is all this news now about how according to his emails, new about the Wuhan lab leak before now, which makes the vaccine scene suspect now. So now I am fraid to take it now because of this new light shedding.

But what do you think?



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04 Jul 2021, 1:59 am

I think fear of the Covid vaccine is the worst of the anti-vax movement coming to life. Anti-vax ultimately is death. That's what I think.


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04 Jul 2021, 2:15 am

Fauci promoted the vaccines—but didn’t directly had a hand in their development.

He believes an investigation into a possible Wuhan lab virus leak is warranted.

You’re reading too much anti-Vaxx propaganda, and tend to believe in conservative sources in general.

Take the vaccine!



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04 Jul 2021, 2:57 am

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He believes an investigation into a possible Wuhan lab virus leak is warranted.


He completely dismissed the idea a year ago, then flip-flopped. It's okay to change one's mind, but he completely shot down the possibility, now he has seemingly changed his mind. Would've been nice if he said, "We'll consider all possibilities; for now, it seems like a naturally-occurring virus. But, no, we don't have enough evidence yet to say it's impossible it was man-made. We don't know for sure, and it's not outside the realm of possibility."

The man has held his post for 40 years. If the possibility it was man-made was real, he'd know. Whether it actually was the case or not, he'd know it was theoretically possible. Misleading the public is a bad thing.

Also, Trump spearheaded the vaccine. If he hadn't, you people would biitch and moan that he did nothing. But big, bad Trump was pro-vax. So, this isn't necessarily a Republican/Democrat thing. It's a question of integrity and honesty among people in power.



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04 Jul 2021, 3:34 am

Well idk whether covid leaked from a lab in Wuhan or not, seems the science is still pretty solid that it is best to get the vaccine either way. So I mean I got both mine already, and haven't had much ill effects outside it made my arm sore and I felt slightly sick for a day, so pretty sure it is fine.


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04 Jul 2021, 3:35 am

ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
He believes an investigation into a possible Wuhan lab virus leak is warranted.


He completely dismissed the idea a year ago, then flip-flopped. It's okay to change one's mind, but he completely shot down the possibility, now he has seemingly changed his mind. Would've been nice if he said, "We'll consider all possibilities; for now, it seems like a naturally-occurring virus. But, no, we don't have enough evidence yet to say it's impossible it was man-made. We don't know for sure, and it's not outside the realm of possibility."

The man has held his post for 40 years. If the possibility it was man-made was real, he'd know. Whether it actually was the case or not, he'd know it was theoretically possible. Misleading the public is a bad thing.

Also, Trump spearheaded the vaccine. If he hadn't, you people would biitch and moan that he did nothing. But big, bad Trump was pro-vax. So, this isn't necessarily a Republican/Democrat thing. It's a question of integrity and honesty among people in power.


Trump didn't do crap in regard to the vaccine, he did a lot of nothing in regards to it and simply attempted taking credit for efforts he wasn't even involved in.


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04 Jul 2021, 4:27 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
He believes an investigation into a possible Wuhan lab virus leak is warranted.


He completely dismissed the idea a year ago, then flip-flopped. It's okay to change one's mind, but he completely shot down the possibility, now he has seemingly changed his mind. Would've been nice if he said, "We'll consider all possibilities; for now, it seems like a naturally-occurring virus. But, no, we don't have enough evidence yet to say it's impossible it was man-made. We don't know for sure, and it's not outside the realm of possibility."

The man has held his post for 40 years. If the possibility it was man-made was real, he'd know. Whether it actually was the case or not, he'd know it was theoretically possible. Misleading the public is a bad thing.

Also, Trump spearheaded the vaccine. If he hadn't, you people would biitch and moan that he did nothing. But big, bad Trump was pro-vax. So, this isn't necessarily a Republican/Democrat thing. It's a question of integrity and honesty among people in power.


Trump didn't do crap in regard to the vaccine, he did a lot of nothing in regards to it and simply attempted taking credit for efforts he wasn't even involved in.


Also, I recall how for the longest time Trump had called Covid a Democrat hoax. He had denied the validity of wearing masks, social distancing, and shutting down public places, things we know saved lives. He even called for the end of testing, idiotically saying it only drove up the number of Covid cases (that's like saying the heat wave we're experiencing today is caused by too many thermometers).


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04 Jul 2021, 8:08 am

Fauci may or may not be a two faced liar, a completely uncredible source, but there are multiple credible sources that say it is effective and that the benefits far outweigh the risks such as peer reviewed studies. There is also the circumstantial evidence such as a higher percentage of cases in areas with lower vacation rates. So far even with fully vaccinated people who do get COVID-19 anyway these breakthrough cases tend milder or asymptomatic.

I am not saying getting vaccinated is risk free, there are a very small percentage of cases of vaccine injury and it is possible some variant will render the vaccine ineffective. There is no decision we make that is completely risk free but we choose to take these risks for the more likely benefits. In the case of the vaccine we not only have to consider the risk to ourselves but to the risks to others.


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04 Jul 2021, 8:20 am

No. I live in the UK. I'm not interested in American politics. Other countries than America are in this pandemic too and there have been many qualified people involved in vaccines than just this one man that has no hand in what goes on in my country.

I've had my first dose already.



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04 Jul 2021, 8:40 am

No, I trust science.  I do not trust politicians, QAnon, Maga, or any other ignorant conspiracy theorists.


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04 Jul 2021, 8:49 am

But if the politicians are the ones controlling the science, doesn't that put the trust in question if one does not trust politicians?



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04 Jul 2021, 9:25 am

ironpony wrote:
But if the politicians are the ones controlling the science, doesn't that put the trust in question if one does not trust politicians?

Politics sometimes effects how scientists report their findings and politics determines how these findings are made into policy.


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04 Jul 2021, 9:41 am



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04 Jul 2021, 10:00 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
He believes an investigation into a possible Wuhan lab virus leak is warranted.


He completely dismissed the idea a year ago, then flip-flopped. It's okay to change one's mind, but he completely shot down the possibility, now he has seemingly changed his mind. Would've been nice if he said, "We'll consider all possibilities; for now, it seems like a naturally-occurring virus. But, no, we don't have enough evidence yet to say it's impossible it was man-made. We don't know for sure, and it's not outside the realm of possibility."

The man has held his post for 40 years. If the possibility it was man-made was real, he'd know. Whether it actually was the case or not, he'd know it was theoretically possible. Misleading the public is a bad thing.

Also, Trump spearheaded the vaccine. If he hadn't, you people would biitch and moan that he did nothing. But big, bad Trump was pro-vax. So, this isn't necessarily a Republican/Democrat thing. It's a question of integrity and honesty among people in power.


Trump didn't do crap in regard to the vaccine, he did a lot of nothing in regards to it and simply attempted taking credit for efforts he wasn't even involved in.


Also, I recall how for the longest time Trump had called Covid a Democrat hoax. He had denied the validity of wearing masks, social distancing, and shutting down public places, things we know saved lives. He even called for the end of testing, idiotically saying it only drove up the number of Covid cases (that's like saying the heat wave we're experiencing today is caused by too many thermometers).


Yes, he called a hoax nearly from the start and tried everything to downplay it. He was mad that people were getting tested as it would make him look bad if there were more cases found. To him, it would go away with time without needing to do anything (except that many would die in the process.). He was more concerned about his poll numbers, rather than the death count. Ironically many of his potential voters ended up in the morgue via COVID-19 from his inaction.

Trump is not a friend to science. He only uses parts of it in his rants that could increase his poll numbers. Remember, he wanted to give medical advice to help cure the problem. Injections of bleach and internal UV light sources was his “ideas”, because he is so qualified to give such answers. He should be sued for malpractice from that alone, but he does not hold a medical license.



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04 Jul 2021, 10:33 am

ironpony wrote:
But if the politicians are the ones controlling the science, doesn't that put the trust in question if one does not trust politicians?
Politicians do not control science. Most are not scientists. They rarely understand science at all. What they do understand they either misrepresent for their own purposes or claim to be false.

Science is self-correcting, while politics piles mistake upon mistake upon mistake ... ad infinitum.


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04 Jul 2021, 11:21 am

ironpony wrote:
But if the politicians are the ones controlling the science, doesn't that put the trust in question if one does not trust politicians?


Really? What science are politicians controlling?