Anyone afraid to take the covid vaccine because of Fauchi?

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08 Jul 2021, 12:17 am

I just attended a wonderful jazz concert last night with 100+ people packed in a small basement venue.

Most of the people present were above the age of 60, and thus more at risk from serious illness or even death if they contracted COVID.

The only reason the concert could be held was due to the fact that almost everyone had been vaccinated.



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08 Jul 2021, 1:23 am

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I don't trust Fauci. He is a bureaucrat touting the party line for his employers.
Did you get the vaccine anyway?  Trump also hates Fauci; but even Trump (and his family) got the vaccine.
That doesn't concern me.
OK. Did you get the vaccine though?
No. I don't plan to. [...]
Then it is your fault, and no one else's, if the virus kills you.

I'm prepared to go when my time comes.
Death doesn't scare me. Loss of freedom and living as a subject to the state does.


So... you also drive through red lights on the road because (a) you dont want to be a "subject of the state" by obeying traffic laws, and (b) because you dont listen to beaurecrats like Dr. Fauci who are just there to please their employers (the taxpayer-you?) by giving advice on how to drive, and (c) dont care if you get killed in the inevitable car collisions that result, and (d) since you dont care about yourself dying on the road - you also dont care about killing others on the road either?



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08 Jul 2021, 7:40 am

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Mr Reynholm wrote:
Fnord wrote:
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I don't trust Fauci. He is a bureaucrat touting the party line for his employers.
Did you get the vaccine anyway?  Trump also hates Fauci; but even Trump (and his family) got the vaccine.
That doesn't concern me.
OK. Did you get the vaccine though?
No. I don't plan to. [...]
Then it is your fault, and no one else's, if the virus kills you.

I'm prepared to go when my time comes.
Death doesn't scare me. Loss of freedom and living as a subject to the state does.


So... you also drive through red lights on the road because (a) you dont want to be a "subject of the state" by obeying traffic laws, and (b) because you dont listen to beaurecrats like Dr. Fauci who are just there to please their employers (the taxpayer-you?) by giving advice on how to drive, and (c) dont care if you get killed in the inevitable car collisions that result, and (d) since you dont care about yourself dying on the road - you also dont care about killing others on the road either?

Wow. I'm impressed with your ability to take a simple statement and extrapolate out a full paragraph of nonsense. You have a real talent there.



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08 Jul 2021, 7:46 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
ToughDiamond wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
Fnord wrote:
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I don't trust Fauci. He is a bureaucrat touting the party line for his employers.
Did you get the vaccine anyway?  Trump also hates Fauci; but even Trump (and his family) got the vaccine.
That doesn't concern me.
OK. Did you get the vaccine though?
No. I don't plan to. [...]
Then it is your fault, and no one else's, if the virus kills you.

I'm prepared to go when my time comes.
Death doesn't scare me. Loss of freedom and living as a subject to the state does.


Does it frighten you when the state - under Trump - lies to you about the dangers of Covid? Dr. Fauci is a man of science who happens to work for the government, not a government bureaucrat, whereas Trump and his phony men of medicine, like that X Ray tech, Atlas, just spewed nonsense for the sake of Trump's poll numbers. Have you at all noticed that people dying of Covid these days are almost all in red states? That's because they chose to embrace Trumpian idiocy instead of science.

Biden doesn't lie about anything does he?
So once all the red staters are gone you will be free to build your socialist utopia without the racists red staters.



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08 Jul 2021, 7:49 am

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Death doesn't scare me. Loss of freedom and living as a subject to the state does.

Well you're in for a real treat, then, because you have a much higher chance of contracting Long Haul COVID than you do of dying from the disease...and then you'll REALLY lose your freedoms.

But I guess losing your freedoms to a crippling, incurable disease is better than being told to be considerate to others?

Even with the vaccine one can still carry, spread and die from Covid so what is the benefit of the vaccine?



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08 Jul 2021, 7:53 am

With traffic regulations, people still die in car accidents, so what is the purpose of them?


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08 Jul 2021, 7:55 am

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I'm prepared to go when my time comes.
Death doesn't scare me. Loss of freedom and living as a subject to the state does.

It's not just your own life and longterm health you'd be risking. You'd likely inflict it on other people. And if you were taken to hospital you'd be helping to overwhelm the healthcare system and kill even more people that way. The state isn't forcing the vaccine on anybody. And the US government isn't forcing much of a lockdown. The UK government is about to give up enforcing any restrictions at all, against medical advice.

The healthcare system is not overwhelmed. The vaccine doesn't prevent you from catching, transmitting or dying from Covid so what is the point?



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08 Jul 2021, 7:57 am

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With traffic regulations, people still die in car accidents, so what is the purpose of them?

That is more of an issue of law and order which does save lives and has some sort of logic behind it.



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08 Jul 2021, 8:00 am

This thread is more about faith than anything else. There are those who have placed their faith in the vaccine, Fauci, the CDC, ect. and they want validation of that faith.



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08 Jul 2021, 8:10 am

Well, if you prefer to call trusting scientific method, professional knowledge, well-developed safety procedures and available statistics "faith", I guess it's your right - just as those who believe God put dinosaur bones in the earth to test our faith are entitled to reject all other explanations.

What's your "faith"?


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08 Jul 2021, 8:22 am

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[...] What's your "faith"?
Is this so we can give him the appropriate memorial service when the time comes?


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08 Jul 2021, 9:19 am

Mr Reynholm wrote:
ToughDiamond wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
I'm prepared to go when my time comes.
Death doesn't scare me. Loss of freedom and living as a subject to the state does.

It's not just your own life and longterm health you'd be risking. You'd likely inflict it on other people. And if you were taken to hospital you'd be helping to overwhelm the healthcare system and kill even more people that way. The state isn't forcing the vaccine on anybody. And the US government isn't forcing much of a lockdown. The UK government is about to give up enforcing any restrictions at all, against medical advice.

The healthcare system is not overwhelmed. The vaccine doesn't prevent you from catching, transmitting or dying from Covid so what is the point?





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of the Deaths Now Resulting From Covid-19,
All Variants, Are Among Those Who are Non-Vaccinated...

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08 Jul 2021, 9:23 am

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Well, if you prefer to call trusting scientific method, professional knowledge, well-developed safety procedures and available statistics "faith", I guess it's your right - just as those who believe God put dinosaur bones in the earth to test our faith are entitled to reject all other explanations.

What's your "faith"?

That is hilarious!! !! !!
What scientific method was used to determine the efficacy of masks, lockdowns, & social distancing? There have been no long term trials or tests for the vaccine. You look at "science" as an oracle. Or more rightly those in authority invoke "science" as to validate their decrees.
You must start to think for yourself



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08 Jul 2021, 9:50 am

No. I do science professionally. I know how it works.
You gather data. Lots and lots of data. You use statistical tools to process it. Over time, as more data gets gathered and processed, you improve your knowledge using it.

Of course there is plenty of research about efficacy of masks, lockdowns, & social distancing!
https://scholar.google.pl/scholar?hl=pl ... ovid&btnG=
https://scholar.google.pl/scholar?q=eff ... i=scholart
https://scholar.google.pl/scholar?hl=pl ... ial+distan
And as more data is collected, the existing knowledge is improving.

The vaccines go the standard procedure except for skipping small-scale experiments that are normally done to determine weather the drug development is worth funding at all. No new substance is tested for potential rare long-term effects when introduced for mass use because it's technically impossible. Currently, as hundreds of millions of people worldwide got vaccinated with various substances, screening of the covid vaccines for extremely rare unwanted effects and testing them for efficacy is much better than it is for most of other medical substances in use.

It's all about gathering and processing data to use it for best effects.


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08 Jul 2021, 10:30 am

Mr Reynholm wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
ToughDiamond wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
I don't trust Fauci. He is a bureaucrat touting the party line for his employers.
Did you get the vaccine anyway?  Trump also hates Fauci; but even Trump (and his family) got the vaccine.
That doesn't concern me.
OK. Did you get the vaccine though?
No. I don't plan to. [...]
Then it is your fault, and no one else's, if the virus kills you.

I'm prepared to go when my time comes.
Death doesn't scare me. Loss of freedom and living as a subject to the state does.


So... you also drive through red lights on the road because (a) you dont want to be a "subject of the state" by obeying traffic laws, and (b) because you dont listen to beaurecrats like Dr. Fauci who are just there to please their employers (the taxpayer-you?) by giving advice on how to drive, and (c) dont care if you get killed in the inevitable car collisions that result, and (d) since you dont care about yourself dying on the road - you also dont care about killing others on the road either?

Wow. I'm impressed with your ability to take a simple statement and extrapolate out a full paragraph of nonsense. You have a real talent there.


I didnt "extrapolate" anything. I am just restating what you said.


So... there is a difference between you ...obeying traffic laws, and you taking a vaccine.

So enlighten me as to what the difference is.

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Above you said that "traffic laws" are about "law and order".

So...if youre forced at gunpoint to obey...its good (like traffic laws)?

But if it just a suggestion (like getting vaccinated) its bad...and its your duty to die as martyr to resist it?



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08 Jul 2021, 1:54 pm

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But if the politicians are the ones controlling the science, doesn't that put the trust in question if one does not trust politicians?
Politicians do not control science. Most are not scientists. They rarely understand science at all. What they do understand they either misrepresent for their own purposes or claim to be false.

Science is self-correcting, while politics piles mistake upon mistake upon mistake ... ad infinitum.

Follow the money. The scientific community can be bought and sold and often are pawns of the ruling class. Ultimately its all about wealth and power.