What if due to anti vaxxer’s herd immunity is a pipe dream?

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It is time to face the reality that due to the anti vaxx movement full herd immunity is not going to happen in America.

You have less than half a percent of dying from Covid no matter what cool new strain they invent. The odds of dying in rush hour traffic are better.

I actually looked up numbers yesterday.
Of the people infected, between 1 and 3% die of it. That's roughly ten times as deadly as the regular flu, but only 10% as deadly as the spanish flu.

No, you have to be a little careful with the differences between Case fatality and
Infection fatality, they are not the same measurement and a lot of people get tripped up by it.

You cited the figures for case fatality but your description is what's know as IFR or Infection Fatality Rate.
So you are comparing apples to oranges.

The case fatality rate is about 2%, that is 2% of people who feel sick enough to seek medical
attention go on to die.

Infection fatality rate would be significantly lower.

Here are those estimates, stated as the percentage of all those infected (symptomatic and asymptomatic) who are surviving:
0-19 Years 99.997% Survival rate.
20-49 Years 99.98% Survival rate.
50-69 Years 99.5% Survival rate.

Source for that is the United States Centers for Disease Control.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... arios.html

Presented in much easier to understand terms here
https://www.nbc26.com/news/coronavirus/ ... atic-cases

you're right.
I'm however now not sure if I'm comparing apples to oranges, because I honestly can't tell whether I was also looking at the case fatality for flu and Spanish flu, or IFR.

Herd immunity is coming whether we like it or not.
You don't get a say in that and the Anti vaxxers don't get a say in that.

The only difference is in how we reach that immunity.

A vaccine is only one way that people can obtain partial immunity.(Or perhaps full immunity if they weren't so rushed to market)

The other way to obtain immunity is by catching the disease itself.
It is literally how we got immunity to any disease ever before the 1800's.
Before vaccines the only way to get immunity to a disease was "the hard way".

Their is a third very small group of people who are "innately" immune, because they have a slightly different Ace-2 receptor and the virus can't see it. Lucky them ey?

But for most people your choice boils down to HOW you get immune, not IF you get immune.

Whether you get your immunity from rushed to market vaccines of dubious quality, or from catching the disease itself.
From my point of view, both options kind of suck.

And to be blunt, since the vaccines don't block infection or even prevent transmission, but simply reduce the diseases severity when you do get infected.
Then probably most people are going to get infected, at some point or other.

New Zealand has dismissed suggestions it should follow in Britain’s footsteps to “live with” Covid-19, saying the level of death proposed by Boris Johnson would be “unacceptable”.

If cases in Britain explode as a result of the lifted regulations, New Zealand may also consider putting the country on a no-fly list.

That’s not something that we have been willing to accept in New Zealand,” the country’s Covid-19 response minister, Chris Hipkins, said at a press conference alongside the prime minister, Jacinda Ardern, on Tuesday.

“One of the things the UK government have been very clear about [is] that there will be a spike in cases, potentially thousands of cases a day. There will be more people dying,” he said.

“We are likely to see more incremental change than dramatic change where we wake up one morning and say: ‘We just go back to the way to the way things were before Covid-19.’”

The priority for me is how do we continue to preserve what New Zealand has managed to gain and give ourselves options, because this virus is not done with the world yet.”

Epidemiologist and public health professor Michael Baker said New Zealand’s future roadmap could be built on a mixture of high vaccination and other measures such as mask mandates, or limited lockdowns to contain outbreaks. He said the country was in a “privileged position” where it could make an informed choice about whether to continue with an elimination approach or change tack.

“By every metric [New Zealand’s elimination approach] is outperforming the alternatives – from a public health point of view, an equity point of view, a freedoms point of view … an economic point of view”

Australia’s Covid current response is still very closely aligned with New Zealand’s in practice, but prime minister Scott Morrison’s rhetoric has recently shifted somewhat toward Johnson’s. Last week Morrison outlined a four-phase Australian reopening roadmap, saying that by phase three Covid would be treated like the flu or “any other infectious disease”.

If Covid is just going to keep mutating and getting deadlier all the time, then why haven't other strains of Coronavirus already done so and wiped out humanity?

If Covid is just going to keep mutating and getting deadlier all the time, then why haven't other strains of Coronavirus already done so and wiped out humanity?

Nobody expects the Spanish InquisitionFlu!

Anyway, it is unfortunately quite feasible that a significantly more deadly variant of COVID will arise if anti-vaxxer stupidity enables it to circulate continuously.

After all, the SARS virus (another coronavirus ) was 79.6 % similar to COVID and had a case fatality rate of 11 %.

How are the unvaccinated a danger to the vaccinated?

It is worse than that: if COVID can run through the population, it can continue to mutate and become even more deadly or contagious. It is now endemic in our population, but having a large percentage of our population open to infection is just going to make a literal breeding ground.

And just imagine that small pox and polio were eradicated.