08 Jul 2021, 11:30 am
08 Jul 2021, 12:00 pm
funeralxempire wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
Hitler made an awesome car. Ya gotta give him that.
Ferdinand Porsche ripped off a pretty good Tatra, but why would I give credit to Hitler?
Read up on it.
I have. It would be like crediting any government for any product produced in response to a tender.
The design of the VW KdF-Wagen was heavily influenced by the Tatra 97 to the point there was a lawsuit. The lawsuit was interrupted by the war but in the end VW paid Tatra to settle.
If you'd read on the topic you'd know this.
Its old news.
08 Jul 2021, 12:02 pm
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08 Jul 2021, 12:38 pm
08 Jul 2021, 1:48 pm
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The big lie is a common propaganda trick where the same dishonest claim is endlessly repeated.
Correct. The DCN uses this trick often.
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08 Jul 2021, 1:51 pm
Mr Reynholm wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
The big lie is a common propaganda trick where the same dishonest claim is endlessly repeated.
Correct. The DCN uses this trick often.
I was referring to that poster who keeps claiming the NSDAP were socialists.
08 Jul 2021, 2:48 pm
funeralxempire wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
The big lie is a common propaganda trick where the same dishonest claim is endlessly repeated.
Correct. The DCN uses this trick often.
I was referring to that poster who keeps claiming the NSDAP were socialists.
Its in the name. National SOCIALIST German Workers Party.
Not the National Sugary German Workers Party or the National Scientologist German Workers Party but the National SOCIALIST German Workers Party.
They name things stuff for a reason.
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08 Jul 2021, 2:53 pm
Mr Reynholm wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
The big lie is a common propaganda trick where the same dishonest claim is endlessly repeated.
Correct. The DCN uses this trick often.
I was referring to that poster who keeps claiming the NSDAP were socialists.
Its in the name. National SOCIALIST German Workers Party.
Not the National Sugary German Workers Party or the National Scientologist German Workers Party but the National SOCIALIST German Workers Party.
They name things stuff for a reason.
So you also believe the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a democratic republic because it's in the name?
08 Jul 2021, 3:35 pm
08 Jul 2021, 3:50 pm
funeralxempire wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
The big lie is a common propaganda trick where the same dishonest claim is endlessly repeated.
Correct. The DCN uses this trick often.
I was referring to that poster who keeps claiming the NSDAP were socialists.
Its in the name. National SOCIALIST German Workers Party.
Not the National Sugary German Workers Party or the National Scientologist German Workers Party but the National SOCIALIST German Workers Party.
They name things stuff for a reason.
So you also believe the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a democratic republic because it's in the name?
[/quoteYou believe the Democrat party is democratic don't you? LOL!! !
08 Jul 2021, 3:51 pm
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08 Jul 2021, 3:55 pm
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You believe the Democrat party is democratic don't you? LOL!! !
Well, that fails to actually answer the question.
I'll remind you of your inability to defend your claims the next time you try to insist the Nazis were socialists or left-wingers since that claim will still be nonsense the next time you try to trot it out as well.
08 Jul 2021, 4:08 pm
08 Jul 2021, 5:22 pm
funeralxempire wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
You believe the Democrat party is democratic don't you? LOL!! !
Well, that fails to actually answer the question.
I'll remind you of your inability to defend your claims the next time you try to insist the Nazis were socialists or left-wingers since that claim will still be nonsense the next time you try to trot it out as well.
It's pretty wild, isn't it? Korea calls themselves a democracy, and they grasp that korea is lying - but russia calls themselves a "socialist" nation, and IT MUST BE TRUE!! !
It's equally interesting that they can't seem to define "socialism" other than pointing at russia while hopping around like they need to have a wee - or describing russia, and claiming it's socialism, cos russia said so.
I wonder if all these people who think socialism is SO VERY BAD!! ! have a SOCIAL security card. Or plan to collect SOCIAL security when they get older. Or use SOCIALLY funded services, like roads, law enforcement, or fire rescue.
Quantum Excuse Theory - things are both ways as needed to justify a double standard. Labels are both true and false, depending on which labels they want attached to what. Democrats aren't actually democrats, even though they CALL themselves that, but socialism is TOTALLY what russia was, cos that's what they called themselves.
The only difference I see between a nazi, and a wannbe nazi, is the opportunity to act upon it.
Porsche makes a fine car. I can acknowledge that without having to snuggle and ass-kiss the memory of hitler. I can acknowledge that Porsche came about during hitler's reign, and possibly gained an opportunity as a result, without having to dump ALL the credit into hitler's lap, and metaphorically pat him on the back for it. "Hey, I know you murdered hundreds of thousands of people while trying to take over the world, but, if it wasn't for you, we might not have a flashy sports car, so, we're cool. Fist bump!"
08 Jul 2021, 7:17 pm
Mr Reynholm wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
The big lie is a common propaganda trick where the same dishonest claim is endlessly repeated.
Correct. The DCN uses this trick often.
I was referring to that poster who keeps claiming the NSDAP were socialists.
Its in the name. National SOCIALIST German Workers Party.
Not the National Sugary German Workers Party or the National Scientologist German Workers Party but the National SOCIALIST German Workers Party.
They name things stuff for a reason.
under the Nazi Regime, the mode of production was capitalistic - factory owners owned factories, had workers work for them, paid them money, sold what they had made for more money and kept the difference. you know... capitalism.
the factories weren't owned by the workers, the workers did not decide what to produce and they did not get what their work was actually worth - there always was a capitalust who gained from owning the capital.
in other words: national socialism was socialism in name only, it did not meet the criteria for socialism. Hitler's Germany was capitalist.
Bernie, Aoc etc., btw. are old fashioned social democrats, and would fit in with the conservative party, here in Germany, with Angela Merkel. Feel free to label them socialist and lump them in with Hitler.
Europeans think Americans have jumped the shark anyway.
Have you read the news? Biden tried to form a coalition against China, and the Europeans didn't want to join him. Europe is hedging her bets.
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08 Jul 2021, 7:19 pm
shlaifu wrote:
thinkinginpictures wrote:
Fnord wrote:
a. Nazis are losers.
b. Trump is a Nazi.
: : Trump is a loser.
b. Trump is a Nazi.
: : Trump is a loser.
The nazis didn't lose. They just didn't win, and that's a very big difference.
If the nazis had lost WW2 there would be no nazis today, because it would have been illegalized throughout Europe and each and every scum of these bastards would have been executed by cyanide gas after the war.
Nazism isn't even illegal in Germany, only the flag, not the ideology itself nor is it illegal be member of a nazi organization and several National-Socialist (from which "nazi" has been abbreviated) organizations exists both in Germany and in other European countries, as well as in the U.S.
You know why? I know why: Because, as unfortunate as it is, the nazis enjoy too much popular support to be wiped off the surface of the Earth.
This is also the reason the number of executions of those helping the nazi occupation of Denmark, Norway, The Netherlands etc. was very low. Simply put, the nazis, then and now, enjoy too much popular support for governments around the world to stop them.
This is also evidence that democracy will inevitably result in a new nazi regime. Remember: Hitler was democratically elected and became a dictator without even having to make a coup.
You also have to remember that after WW2, the majority of the German population still supported Hitler and the nazi regime.
A majority of the German population thought the nazi regime was superior to any other system of government.
In 1952, 25% had a good opinion of Hitler.
Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denazification
Postwar: a History of Europe since 1945
hi. I've lived most of my live in Germany. National Socialism is illegal in Germany. There are two ways to avoid getting into trouble though, one of which is to never publicly admit to adhering to an anti-constitutional ideology, which is what the neo-nazi organistaions do, and the other is to act in a way in which no one will take you seriously, not even intelligence services.
So, the German Neo-nazis call themselves "patriots" or something like that in public.
the reason why the Germans weren't totally eradicated after ww2 was also because there were what, like, 30 million of them? - it's somewhat hard to argue for a genocide of that scale if you're not a Nazi yourself. - and by and large, the reeducation worked - the leftist student revolts of the 60s had their fair share in that. But today, "patriot" in Germany is dogwhistle for "Neo-Nazi".
that said, there's more xenophobia and conservativeness around than most Germans would admit.
Fascism is however quite often at leadt a little tolerated, because it is extreme conservativism. And extreme conservativism is usually not a threat to the nation-state. If it gets out of hand, sure, but it's not like leftist ideologies that tend to be explicitly aiming at revolution. Even a little revolurion is a disturbance. A little extreme conservativism is not disturbing social order.
Trump is not a Nazi. He's a Mobster, and he's enabling Nazis, and anyone who was of use to him. He's an opportunist. But he didn't use his time in office to put into practice another holocaust. His foreign policy was indistinguishable from Obama's.
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