Well, Trump was working for the Russians all along.

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@Kraichgauer
You completely missed the point.

When I brought up American propaganda in influencing politics in Cuba, the point was that foreign influence and meddling can occur WITHOUT consent or even knowledge from the factions they're working for or against.

Yes, Putin may have "weaponized' Trump; doesn't mean Trump orchestrated or consented to the weaponization.

Also, you could argue it was more of a weaponization against Hillary. Regardless of outside propaganda, you're lamenting how your countrymen ultimately chose to vote in 2016. The article doesn't allege that Putin altered the votes.

In any election, there is propaganda. With a World Wide Web, non-Americans can add their own propaganda. Propaganda exists. Ultimately it's up to the voters to decide.

...and all the article really tells us is that Putin believed that being pro-Trump would be a good thing in destabilizing America's role in the world. So, he feigned admiration and went along with support for Trump, and Trump ate it up.

Foreign policy- we can't control how foreign leaders chose to behave toward our leaders and for what reason.

So, Putin had an ulterior motive in being pro-Trump. What does that have to do with the American voter?

I'm not eager to "exonerate " any one. I just deal in truth and the facts.

If further evidence emerges, I'll be happy to examine it. Until then, your assumptions are just a theory.

As mentioned in The Guardian article internal Russian documents are almost never leaked. Who leaked this and why now? The timing of this leak does not seem to make sense. The mid terms are over a year away and the next Presidential election over three years away. But something like this does not happen without a reason.

With intelligence work, one can "work" for another entity without realizing it. Personally, though, I believe Putin did have something compromising on Trump. No, it didn't necessarily have to be a "pee tape," though that would be funny. More likely, it was Trump being financially indebted to Russia through Deutsche Bank.

Well, I figured you wouldn't mind being the local "orange man" when I chose the colour, based upon your signature and posts...Seems I was right

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Orange Cat good.

My previous cat Floyd’s father was orange.

It isn't incredibly shocking given the Trumps were the ones who approached the Russians
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKBN19W1VW

Russian intelligence will of course deny any link they had with Trump during this time and remove any loose ends that might expose communication between them/Putin/Trumps.

I look forward to more intelligence leaks.

Was he an exotic shorthair like Momo (or Garfield), or some other type?

If true - and I believe it is - that means so much for the notion that Trump was being used unbeknownst to him.

Nope. He was an alleycat named Ike.

This has been known for years. Russian trolls boosted trump online because he was putin's favoured useful idiot.. that has been in the news for years. There were articles about Russian intelligence agents toasting their success when trump got elected etc. How is this leaked document supposed to be a revelation about anything??

I think this is an oversimplification.

It's true, alas, that the cold war was sometimes used to create authoritarian panics, e.g. McCarthyism. But that doesn't mean the cold war itself was fake.

There really WAS a cold war. Rivalry between great powers is an inevitable fact of geopolitical life.

Nevertheless, it was in the best interests of both sides to keep the peace and, where possible, to cooperate on matters of international concern.

The cold war ended -- temporarily -- only when the Soviet Union dissolved and the Russian government realized it needed to take a break from being a superpower.

The only way to permanently end cold wars (other than a nuclear Armageddon) would be to give the U.N. a lot more power than it has now. But hardly anyone wants to do that, partly because almost everyone fears being subjected to incompatible cultural values, and partly because the currently-existing national governments just don't want to give up their sovereignty.