16 Aug 2021, 3:20 am
This is what the right is capable of when it wants to make a real show of force, and this was simply a state level event (in Virginia, which as you know is next door to DC):
I even found some black guys for you, though I couldn't find the picture I was looking for, which features some guys from one of my gun boards including the mods, who are wearing gear worth a pretty decent car in the photo, lol.
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They themselves said they were there to force congress to change the election results, and I take them at their word. Don't ask me whey they hadn't taken guns with them.
Protestors always say they're there to accomplish something, that doesn't follow automatically that they were there to violently overthrow the government, and the lack of firearms coupled with the way they behaved once inside the capitol, milling around, taking selfies, stealing podiums, etc suggests that they never had a plan for a violent coup. They may well have thought that showing up in force and demonstrating that they weren't going to accept what they saw as an illegitimate election would force congress to act in their favor, then it got out of hand.
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I have never said the violent actions of liberal mobs were justified. I will say this, though: at least BLM's complaints were based in the reality of police violence, whereas there isn't an iota of evidence to back of the notion that Biden stole the election. At least nothing based in sanity.
You know what I'll give the capitol rioters even though I think there cause was stupid? At least they attacked a government building and not some innocent businesses that just happened to be in the area when they decided to get violent, I'll never understand that aspect of the Summer of Floyd protests, or left wing protests generally, and their defenders in the media. Do you remember "fiery but peaceful protests", or "property destruction is not violence, they have insurance"? I'd accept a lot more of the left wing hand-wringing over this event if I hadn't just witnessed that going on all year, with all the excuses being made for it. I'll even give you that protesting police violence is an inherently noble cause, but don't try and claim it's totally different when other groups use the same tactics and you don't like their cause.
If changing the results of a lawful national election wasn't an insurrection to overthrow the government, I'd like to know what is.
I never said burning businesses was legitimate. Then again, hardly every demonstrator had been involved in that. And as I already stated, at least their grievances were based in reality.
The old circular arguement?
Maybe it was as squeaky-clean as some portray (although an election without some - however small - amount of fraud would be a rarity), but the appearance provided by those who claimed the 2016 election was marred by "Russian collusion" and demanding (and getting) investigations, then turning around and doing everything in their power to prevent investigations which would (based on their statements) have supported the assertion that there was no fraud, rather than welcoming the investigations, certainly didn't help matters and is probably the main reason why so many question the results now...
The senatorial Republicans didn't want to find Russian collusion, putting party and President above country and constitution.
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This is what the right is capable of when it wants to make a real show of force, and this was simply a state level event (in Virginia, which as you know is next door to DC):
I even found some black guys for you, though I couldn't find the picture I was looking for, which features some guys from one of my gun boards including the mods, who are wearing gear worth a pretty decent car in the photo, lol.
I even found some black guys for you, though I couldn't find the picture I was looking for, which features some guys from one of my gun boards including the mods, who are wearing gear worth a pretty decent car in the photo, lol.
And they went away looking like demented fascists. Maybe someone in their ranks realized showing up with firearms was counterproductive, and that storming the building to terrify the elected senators and representatives would work out just fine in forcing them to cancel the election results (as if they ever had that power).
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A police officer died because of that "improvised bear spray."
That is an absolute lie, it was conclusively proven that the officer who died shortly after the event had an unrelated stroke, the only person who died violently on that day was the unarmed woman shot by the cops.
She was in the process of breaking into a restricted part of the capitol that's protected by armed guards for the safety of lawmakers. It was pretty much suicide by cop. If anyone deserves empathy, it's the person she made pull a trigger to protect others from her and those with her.
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Dox47 wrote:
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And they went away looking like demented fascists. Maybe someone in their ranks realized showing up with firearms was counterproductive, and that storming the building to terrify the elected senators and representatives would work out just fine in forcing them to cancel the election results (as if they ever had that power).
As if you'd recognize fascism if it stopped you in the street and demanded your papers, armed citizens protesting government control is the opposite of fascism. The point is that 22,000 heavily armed and armored people showed up, and if they'd wanted to storm that building and have their way with the governor and his lackeys, they could have done so quite easily. A serious attempt to overthrow not just a state government but the entire US government would have at the minimum looked like that but bigger, not some shirtless nuts with viking helmets taking selfies in the capitol. If that had been the plan, do you really think they'd care about the optics? "Well, we're going to take over the capitol, hang Pence, execute the liberal congresspeople and reinstall God Emperor Donald, but let's try not to look too crazy while we do it, wouldn't want the liberals watching on tv to think we look like fascists". Do you not realize how dumb that sounds, what a reach it is trying to preserve your unsupportable view?
Umm, trump is a fascist (according to many political commentators and the literal definition of fascist/fascism) sooo 22,000 armed protesters did their thing in support of his fascist wet dreams..
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