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27 Sep 2021, 10:43 pm

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That's not saying much. George W was a damn sight better than Trump too.


I don't know about that, W did get us into two wars, one of them completely unnecessary, and really sped up the whole imperial presidency thing that's still causing us so much trouble, to say nothing of the torture and other security state abuses. Trump was incompetent and unbecoming of the office, but I think W was objectively a worse president.


Bush Jr was directly responsible for ISIS.
Enough said. 8)



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27 Sep 2021, 10:47 pm

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*biden didn't try his damndest to take away affordable health care from roughly 31 million AMERICAN CITIZENS.
*biden didn't appoint the sociopathic sister of noted psychopath eric prince, to run the education department into the ground.
*biden didn't appoint a flunky to run the USPS into the ground by design, as well as do the same thing to many other gov't agencies.
*biden didn't give the .1% a free ride on taxes THE REST OF US CITIZENS HAVE TO PAY. :x
*biden didn't besmirch the office into a temple for mammon and extortion and indecent self-dealing.
*biden didn't make me utterly ashamed to show my face around my foreign friends. :oops:
*biden didn't try to take away my gov't pension.
*biden didn't make me wince everytime i hear him speak or read about what he spoke.
*biden didn't openly consort with poootin and make kissy-face with that NK nutjob.
and finally-
*biden isn't the one blatantly trying to drown our democratic system in the bathtub.


8) 8) 8)


Look, Uncle Joe is in my good books because of AUKUS.
However, :mrgreen:

-Immigration border policy disaster.
-Afghanistan fiasco.

8) 8) 8)



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27 Sep 2021, 10:55 pm

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I don't agree with dissolving NATO, but Trump certainly wasn't the first to suggest it. The Greenland thing was a joke.


Trump made lots of jokes that went over the heads of the progressive side.
That or they deliberately misrepresented what he said.

I'd ask for a link, but I might be accused of "sealion-ing". 8)

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As far as Trump being Putin's "b***h", that's an evidence-free conspiracy theory. If he was truly being controlled by Putin, he never would have bombed Syria.


Trump was a peacemaker, not a warmonger.

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I'm not sure why we're talking about Trump, though. What does he have to do with Obama's or Biden's crimes? Are you suggesting that we shouldn't hold polticians accountable for their corruption just because somebody is allegedly worse? Biden and Obama, along with the Clinton's and the Bushs, are why we got Trump in the first place. It seems to defy logic that we expect putting another right wing corporate Democrat in office is going to improve anything.

It makes no sense to me.


Some on the left just can't let go of their hate figure.
Simples. 8)



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27 Sep 2021, 10:59 pm

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In all fairness, that's like asking to talk about what's so great about Lincoln without the context of the Civil War.


So you're saying you can't name anything particularly great about Biden without the Trump comparison? I mean, my position on him is that he's a terminal mediocrity whose only selling point was not being Donald Trump, but many Democrats seem to have a hard time admitting that.


You're not taking into consideration that Biden has to clean up Trump's mess, much like Obama had to clean up Bush's.
While it might not be considered so important to those among "the haves," Biden certainly helped plenty of people with his stimulus payments, as well as his child tax credit.


How did Obama clean up Bush's mess? I see complete continuity between the two administrations.


He kept big business from destroying themselves and the country with his bail outs, not because he loves business and financial oligarchs, but for the millions of ordinary Americans who would have been left out of work and destitute.


Ha! If you really believe that, I've got a bridge to sell you.

Would you like to get into a conversation about the multiple ways Obama screwed over working people in this country, ramped up the wars, expanded the surveillance state, and rolled over for his corporate benefactors at every turn?

I wouldn't if I were you.


Regardless, millions of jobs were saved. Plus he killed Bin Laden... on my birthday, no less!! !


Some more to add to Obama's horrible legacy:

He didn't stand up for indigenous people protecting their water furing DAPL protests. He thumbed his nose at the people of Flint wihen asked for a glass of water speaking to the people. He let police crack heads at the Occupy Wall Street protests.

As far as your claim that Obama saved millions of jobs, I don't think so.

https://www.forbes.com/2011/06/21/bailo ... 48adfd6b80


Still a damn sight better than Trump.


Could you explain how, from a policy perspective?


Obama was never Putin's b*tch, as Trump was. He had the respect and trust of our allies, while Trump was ready to dissolve NATO, and was always sucking up to the Russian strongman, a known enemy. Plus, Obama never did anything so embarrassingly ridiculous as trying to buy Greenland.


I don't agree with dissolving NATO, but Trump certainly wasn't the first to suggest it. The Greenland thing was a joke.

As far as Trump being Putin's "b***h", that's an evidence-free conspiracy theory. If he was truly being controlled by Putin, he never would have bombed Syria.

I'm not sure why we're talking about Trump, though. What does he have to do with Obama's or Biden's crimes? Are you suggesting that we shouldn't hold polticians accountable for their corruption just because somebody is allegedly worse? Biden and Obama, along with the Clinton's and the Bushs, are why we got Trump in the first place. It seems to defy logic that we expect putting another right wing corporate Democrat in office is going to improve anything.

It makes no sense to me.


Obama wasn't perfect, but at least he was far more competent than that narcissistic orange bag of vanity. Trump could be easily manipulated by the strongmen he idolized, and wanted to be one of. That includes Putin. I don't recall one word of criticism of Putin out of Trump's mouth. With Obama, I always knew where he stood as leader of the free world.
Sorry, but I hardly think buying Greenland was a joke.
While hate groups grew under Obama's watch, it was due to the hatred of a black President these groups felt. They grew even larger under Trump because he flew his bigotry like a flag, demonizing Latinos as rapists and murderers, and denigrating non-white immigrants. Woodward's new book sites how Trump was slow to attack the Charlottesville Unite The Right demonstrators, because he felt he'd be "backstabbing his voters."


I agree that Trump was too close to the extreme right, but the workers who benefitted the most from America's economic recovery were POC.



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27 Sep 2021, 11:01 pm

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Trump's misadventures are just not relevant to the conversation. You are an apologist for Democratic crimes like nobody I've ever seen. I haven't played the lesser of two evils game for over a decade, and I never will again.

Getting rid of Trump was a good thing, but this country will continue to circle the drain if the masses don't get out of the left vs. right paradigm.


As long as Australia gets its nuclear subs, I can live with Uncle Joe. 8)



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27 Sep 2021, 11:02 pm

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Agrees with above post : considering right VS Left paradigm


I don't know what you are agreeing with, but I agree with you anyway, my little chick-a-dee. 8)



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27 Sep 2021, 11:05 pm

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our political system forces the people to choose the lesser of two evils. we need a third major party yesterday already.


Closest thing we have to that is the Libertarians, and their views are the exact opposite of Progressives like yourself. Other non Dem/Rep parties do exist in the US but are usually made up of people way on one extreme (like the Constitution party, essentially so called Soverign Citizens) or that cater to a single issue.

we need a true american liberal party/progressive democratic party. the DINOs need to be purged from the democratic party the same way the GOP purged all the non-trumpies. that would form a fairly stable centrist party like most other western nations have long had.


Well, I think the Progressives do need to leave the Democrats and form their own party (call it the Radical Liberal party or some such) and the facists, Q nut jobs, KKK types, and etc need to be forcibly purged from the Republicans. Let them call themselves the QAnon Trumpsterfire nasto goon squad

i am reminded of the old saying, "if you took the greed out of wall street, all that'd be left is the pavement." if you took the nastiness out of the GOP there'd be nothing left as all the reasonable GOPers were long ago purged by the trumpians.


If you took the sanctimony out of the...errr, you know. :mrgreen:



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28 Sep 2021, 11:04 am

^^^ agrees with PePe's above posts ^^^^


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29 Sep 2021, 5:52 am

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^^^ agrees with PePe's above posts ^^^^


You are a rational person.
You really didn't have a choice. 8) :mrgreen:



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29 Sep 2021, 9:15 am

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^^^ agrees with PePe's above posts ^^^^


You are a rational person.
You really didn't have a choice. 8) :mrgreen:


These accusations are preliminary at best ..... :D :D :D


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30 Sep 2021, 12:36 pm

did I ever love him... ??



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30 Sep 2021, 6:14 pm

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did I ever love him... ??


I luv Uncle Joe every time he gives us nuclear submarines, cyber security and military AI. :heart: :mrgreen:
But I will luv him even more if he also gives us defensive missiles and drones. 8)



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30 Sep 2021, 6:45 pm

Technology can come at a price ... drones can be used to watch civilian populstions too .. But still more power to the Aussies :D


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30 Sep 2021, 6:54 pm

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Technology can come at a price ... drones can be used to watch civilian populstions too .. But still more power to the Aussies :D


People sunbathe in the nude for a reason. 8)



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30 Sep 2021, 11:05 pm

i will like him better if he can knock his democrats' heads together and make them cooperate. i am so sick of the democrats' fighting each other instead of the enemy.