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02 Aug 2021, 5:17 pm

Swamp gas. :wink:


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02 Aug 2021, 5:33 pm

Hologram.


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02 Aug 2021, 8:33 pm

I think it is some type of unknown plasma, but then why did it appear to follow a domestic carrier?

Perhaps some type of biological life-form capable of phasing in and out of our dimension



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03 Aug 2021, 1:25 pm

It does indeed look, and act, a lot like a weather balloon. One that lost its payload and is partially deflated. One or more bubbles of helium migrate to the top of the envelop, and create those deformations while the rest of the thing hangs limp, and finnally gets stretched out.

The passenger was able to take a long video of it implying that it was moving abreast of the airline. But mountains appear to move abreast of your car as you drive down the highway, and so does the moon, because those things are far away.



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03 Aug 2021, 4:26 pm

It's actually not hard to find an image on the internet of a collapsed falling weather balloon

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Now the problem isn't just that this looks nothing like the video taken on the plane, but it illustrates how the airforce disclosure that the Roswell UFO (which they admit was real) was a surveillance balloon (Project Mogul) also is farcical given balloons fall down in a straight line when they deflate and not in a great ball of fire skipping along the ground over several kilometres before crashing pushed by some type of combustible fuel or energy source.



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03 Aug 2021, 4:30 pm

↑ That image is of a weather balloon with its payload still attached.  That is why the balloon acts more like a parachute than a lifting system, and why it falls in a linear form.

Drive on any freeway often enough, and you will see empty plastic grocery bags changing shape as they are being flung every which-way by the turbulence of passing cars.


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03 Aug 2021, 4:36 pm

Fnord wrote:
↑ That image is of a weather balloon with its payload still attached.  That is why the balloon acts more like a parachute than a lifting system, and why it falls in a linear form.

Drive on any freeway often enough, and you will see empty plastic grocery bags changing shape as they are being flung every which-way by the turbulence of passing cars.


Ah yes, you are correct about the payload!

So a free floating busted balloon is likely to be carried by the wind in a random pattern? Haven't seen one of those on the internet, likely nobody is around to film one.



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03 Aug 2021, 4:43 pm

cyberdad wrote:
Fnord wrote:
↑ That image is of a weather balloon with its payload still attached.  That is why the balloon acts more like a parachute than a lifting system, and why it falls in a linear form.  Drive on any freeway often enough, and you will see empty plastic grocery bags changing shape as they are being flung every which-way by the turbulence of passing cars.
Ah yes, you are correct about the payload!  So a free floating busted balloon is likely to be carried by the wind in a random pattern?  Haven't seen one of those on the internet, likely nobody is around to film one.
Such a situation is likely to occur only within the jet streams at about 30,000 to 50,000 feet altitude.  Wind speeds of about 250 mph have been measured within the jet streams.


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03 Aug 2021, 4:46 pm

Fnord wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Fnord wrote:
↑ That image is of a weather balloon with its payload still attached.  That is why the balloon acts more like a parachute than a lifting system, and why it falls in a linear form.  Drive on any freeway often enough, and you will see empty plastic grocery bags changing shape as they are being flung every which-way by the turbulence of passing cars.
Ah yes, you are correct about the payload!  So a free floating busted balloon is likely to be carried by the wind in a random pattern?  Haven't seen one of those on the internet, likely nobody is around to film one.
Such a situation is likely to occur only within the jet streams at about 30,000 to 50,000 feet altitude.  Wind speeds of about 250 mph have been measured within the jet streams.


So a surveillance or weather balloon is likely to be in tatters to be subject to jet streams rather than looking like the object seemingly moving along with an aeroplane like a jellyfish?.



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03 Aug 2021, 5:41 pm

cyberdad wrote:
It's actually not hard to find an image on the internet of a collapsed falling weather balloon

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Now the problem isn't just that this looks nothing like the video taken on the plane, but it illustrates how the airforce disclosure that the Roswell UFO (which they admit was real) was a surveillance balloon (Project Mogul) also is farcical given balloons fall down in a straight line when they deflate and not in a great ball of fire skipping along the ground over several kilometres before crashing pushed by some type of combustible fuel or energy source.


Nothing like?

I think it looks a lot like it. scissor it off in the middle and it would look just like a jellyfish. And like the thing in the picture.

Weather balloons look like the one in your picture when they are launched from the ground (long and narrow). But as they rise into miles high altitudes the surrounding air pressure drops and the envelop expands, and they take on the conventional big round balloon shape. But if its damaged, and looses it payload and some of its helium its to be expected that it would morph in shape for a few minutes before achieving equilibrium between the remaining pockets of helium pressing up to the top, and the dead weight of the outer plastic hanging around that remaining helium. And thats what the thing the airline passenger photographed seems to be doing.

Even true believers in UFOs admit that over 90 percent of the strange crap folks see in the sky is just mundane stuff being misidentified. This could be in that 90 percent.



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03 Aug 2021, 6:44 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
But as they rise into miles high altitudes the surrounding air pressure drops and the envelop expands, and they take on the conventional big round balloon shape. But if its damaged, and looses it payload and some of its helium its to be expected that it would morph in shape for a few minutes before achieving equilibrium between the remaining pockets of helium pressing up to the top, .


Ok so high altitude weather balloons all look very similar once they are airborne like this

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It still doesn't look the shape shifting thing on video

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BEven true believers in UFOs admit that over 90 percent of the strange crap folks see in the sky is just mundane stuff being misidentified. This could be in that 90 percent.


I'd like to have a go at identifying the shape shifting object none the less. Its on video sufficiently long enough for somebody to properly identify it.