Andrew Cuomo sexually harrassed mutiple women
05 Aug 2021, 12:12 am
SabbraCadabra wrote:
I don't know this guy...is there more to the story, or is he seriously under fire for being "too Italian"?
He is a touchy-feely guy, as the video shows.
There is no crime in that.
It is was part of his culture after all.
That isn't the problem.
The bona fide sexual harassment would be, assuming it actually happened.
Time will tell, or not, because of the new normal.
05 Aug 2021, 12:39 am
TheRobotLives wrote:
Ah, okay. Currently reading the article Lindsey wrote. Creepy.
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SabbraCadabra wrote:
I don't know this guy...is there more to the story, or is he seriously under fire for being "too Italian"?
Andrew Cuomo's office retaliated against one of his accusers by leaking confidential documents about her, NY Attorney General says
https://news.yahoo.com/andrew-cuomos-of ... 21246.html
"Such actions and retaliation against someone who came forward with claims of sexual harassment violates multiple state and federal laws, including Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964"
It could get a little more interesting, depending on what information\resources from her employer were used:
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A top communications manager at Facebook helped Gov. Andrew Cuomo fight sexual misconduct allegations — including by helping leak confidential files about accuser Lindsey Boylan and by participating in regular discussions about Cuomo’s communications strategy, according to the New York attorney general’s bombshell investigation.
Dani Lever — who had worked in Cuomo’s press operation since 2014 but left in August 2020 to join Facebook as a communications manager — played a key role in Cuomo’s communications strategy even while working for Facebook, according to the investigation released Tuesday.
Dani Lever — who had worked in Cuomo’s press operation since 2014 but left in August 2020 to join Facebook as a communications manager — played a key role in Cuomo’s communications strategy even while working for Facebook, according to the investigation released Tuesday.
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According to the attorney general’s report, Lever helped Cuomo’s staffers disseminate the files — even though she had already been working at Facebook for months.
“Ms. Lever coordinated with some of the reporters who received the documents to let them know that the Executive Chamber would be sending them,” reads the report.
The smear attempt came amid Lever’s broader participation in Cuomo’s defense as part of a “team of advisors from within and outside the Chamber [who] had ongoing and regular discussions about how to respond to the allegations publicly” that also included Cuomo’s CNN host brother Chris, according to the attorney general. Lever’s name appears 25 times in the attorney general’s report.
Reached by phone, Lever told The Post she could not talk because she had to attend a meeting. Lever and Facebook’s broader press team did not immediately reply to questions sent by email, including about whether Lever had Facebook’s permission to work with the governor.
“Ms. Lever coordinated with some of the reporters who received the documents to let them know that the Executive Chamber would be sending them,” reads the report.
The smear attempt came amid Lever’s broader participation in Cuomo’s defense as part of a “team of advisors from within and outside the Chamber [who] had ongoing and regular discussions about how to respond to the allegations publicly” that also included Cuomo’s CNN host brother Chris, according to the attorney general. Lever’s name appears 25 times in the attorney general’s report.
Reached by phone, Lever told The Post she could not talk because she had to attend a meeting. Lever and Facebook’s broader press team did not immediately reply to questions sent by email, including about whether Lever had Facebook’s permission to work with the governor.
Source: https://nypost.com/2021/08/04/facebook-exec-helped-cuomo-smear-sex-harassment-accuser-ag
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Actually, there's even more interesting developments...
Quote:
Human Rights Campaign (HRC) President Alphonso David allegedly helped leak the confidential personnel file of a former aide to New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) who accused the state leader of sexual harassment.
That allegation was detailed in a report released by New York Attorney General Letitia James (D) Tuesday, following an independent probe of accusations brought forth by several women. The report found that Cuomo sexually harassed several women in violation of federal and state law.
The probe also stated that Cuomo’s aides took steps “intended to discredit and disparage” Lindsey Boylan, the first former Cuomo staffer to publicly accuse the governor of sexual harassment, by leaking negative information about her to the media.
That allegation was detailed in a report released by New York Attorney General Letitia James (D) Tuesday, following an independent probe of accusations brought forth by several women. The report found that Cuomo sexually harassed several women in violation of federal and state law.
The probe also stated that Cuomo’s aides took steps “intended to discredit and disparage” Lindsey Boylan, the first former Cuomo staffer to publicly accuse the governor of sexual harassment, by leaking negative information about her to the media.
Source: https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/566399-human-rights-campaign-president-allegedly-helped-leak-personnel-file-of
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Time’s Up has responded after an investigation from New York Attorney General Letitia James reported that Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s office asked the organization’s chief, Tina Tchen, for guidance as they weighed a public response to sexual harassment allegations leveled by a former Cuomo aide, Lindsay Boylan.
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According to the report from Attorney General James, Cuomo asked an aide to send a letter meant to rebut claims of sexual harassment to an attorney, Roberta Kaplan.
“Ms. Kaplan read the letter to the head of the advocacy group Times Up [sic], and both of them allegedly suggested that, without the statements about Ms. Boylan’s interactions with male colleagues, the letter was fine,” according to page 109 of the report. “Ms. DeRosa reported back to the Governor that Ms. Kaplan and the head of Times Up thought the letter was okay with some changes, as did [Cuomo ally Steven] Cohen, but everyone else thought it was a bad idea.”
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According to the report from Attorney General James, Cuomo asked an aide to send a letter meant to rebut claims of sexual harassment to an attorney, Roberta Kaplan.
“Ms. Kaplan read the letter to the head of the advocacy group Times Up [sic], and both of them allegedly suggested that, without the statements about Ms. Boylan’s interactions with male colleagues, the letter was fine,” according to page 109 of the report. “Ms. DeRosa reported back to the Governor that Ms. Kaplan and the head of Times Up thought the letter was okay with some changes, as did [Cuomo ally Steven] Cohen, but everyone else thought it was a bad idea.”
Source: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/politics-news/times-up-responds-cuomo-investigation-1234992138/
Note: "Time's Up", whose chief (Tina Tchen) provided guidance for Mr Cuomo's denial, is an organization that exists to support victims of sexual harassment and assault.
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05 Aug 2021, 8:06 am
Cuomo’s power has come entirely from his own party. If I’ve learned anything from legal experience and associations with local politicians, it’s that there’s a deep buddy system that nobody ever really sees purely from the media. It never gets reported on, but elections really are decided waaaaay in advance because that buddy system has a lot to do with who ends up running for office. It’s not that hard to be a governor or president because few people seriously want those jobs. Sometimes those in power don’t actually want those jobs.
The Democratic party is much more interested in circling the wagons and protecting their own at all costs than Republicans ever would be. When sexual allegations actually hit their mark as with Cuomo as of late, it’s not by accident. Cuomo has pissed someone off big time. We’ll likely never find out the details, but don’t doubt me…Cuomo has abysmally failed someone out there and made an enemy, and now there will be “victims” crawling out of the woodwork to nail him to the wall. I’ll be surprised if he gets removed from office or worse, but at the same time, it wouldn’t really be all that shocking.
05 Aug 2021, 8:20 am
AngelRho wrote:
Cuomo’s power has come entirely from his own party. If I’ve learned anything from legal experience and associations with local politicians, it’s that there’s a deep buddy system that nobody ever really sees purely from the media. It never gets reported on, but elections really are decided waaaaay in advance because that buddy system has a lot to do with who ends up running for office. It’s not that hard to be a governor or president because few people seriously want those jobs. Sometimes those in power don’t actually want those jobs.
The Democratic party is much more interested in circling the wagons and protecting their own at all costs than Republicans ever would be. When sexual allegations actually hit their mark as with Cuomo as of late, it’s not by accident. Cuomo has pissed someone off big time. We’ll likely never find out the details, but don’t doubt me…Cuomo has abysmally failed someone out there and made an enemy, and now there will be “victims” crawling out of the woodwork to nail him to the wall. I’ll be surprised if he gets removed from office or worse, but at the same time, it wouldn’t really be all that shocking.
The Democratic party is much more interested in circling the wagons and protecting their own at all costs than Republicans ever would be. When sexual allegations actually hit their mark as with Cuomo as of late, it’s not by accident. Cuomo has pissed someone off big time. We’ll likely never find out the details, but don’t doubt me…Cuomo has abysmally failed someone out there and made an enemy, and now there will be “victims” crawling out of the woodwork to nail him to the wall. I’ll be surprised if he gets removed from office or worse, but at the same time, it wouldn’t really be all that shocking.
It may not be a case of him having "pissed off someone big time", but (due to timing) may be a way to distract from Mr Biden's "Department of Justice" declining to look into the nursing home deaths in a number of states - Given New York was the more publicised state, putting pressure on him for a different matter might be intended to distract the public.
That said, I had heard from several sources that he wasn't liked by many (if any) powerbrokers in his party (well before this blew up) being tolerated simply as a weapon to use against the former President, and following the recent election he was no longer required to fill that role.
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05 Aug 2021, 1:54 pm
Brictoria wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
Cuomo’s power has come entirely from his own party. If I’ve learned anything from legal experience and associations with local politicians, it’s that there’s a deep buddy system that nobody ever really sees purely from the media. It never gets reported on, but elections really are decided waaaaay in advance because that buddy system has a lot to do with who ends up running for office. It’s not that hard to be a governor or president because few people seriously want those jobs. Sometimes those in power don’t actually want those jobs.
The Democratic party is much more interested in circling the wagons and protecting their own at all costs than Republicans ever would be. When sexual allegations actually hit their mark as with Cuomo as of late, it’s not by accident. Cuomo has pissed someone off big time. We’ll likely never find out the details, but don’t doubt me…Cuomo has abysmally failed someone out there and made an enemy, and now there will be “victims” crawling out of the woodwork to nail him to the wall. I’ll be surprised if he gets removed from office or worse, but at the same time, it wouldn’t really be all that shocking.
The Democratic party is much more interested in circling the wagons and protecting their own at all costs than Republicans ever would be. When sexual allegations actually hit their mark as with Cuomo as of late, it’s not by accident. Cuomo has pissed someone off big time. We’ll likely never find out the details, but don’t doubt me…Cuomo has abysmally failed someone out there and made an enemy, and now there will be “victims” crawling out of the woodwork to nail him to the wall. I’ll be surprised if he gets removed from office or worse, but at the same time, it wouldn’t really be all that shocking.
It may not be a case of him having "pissed off someone big time", but (due to timing) may be a way to distract from Mr Biden's "Department of Justice" declining to look into the nursing home deaths in a number of states - Given New York was the more publicised state, putting pressure on him for a different matter might be intended to distract the public.
That said, I had heard from several sources that he wasn't liked by many (if any) powerbrokers in his party (well before this blew up) being tolerated simply as a weapon to use against the former President, and following the recent election he was no longer required to fill that role.
I mean...you might be right, but I'm not really trying to go THERE. It's such an unusual pattern when Democrats turn on their own, and I'm not speaking as a supporter or detractor of either party. When Republicans are the target of accusations, the whole party turns their back on you. Democrats will defend you until there's nothing left to defend. Republicans could learn a thing or two from Democrats about corporate solidarity.
As someone who vocally does NOT support Democrats and leans more conservative Republican, I have to say that Democrat corporate solidarity is an enviable trait. There was a brief time in Trump's administration when we seemed to have it, though it inexorably was drowned out by the steady drumbeat of the Never Trumpers. I don't see Republicans getting our act together any time in the near future.
That's why I say that Cuomo must have gone back on a bribe or made too many promises he couldn't keep. Maybe it's something else, but it's reasonable to assume that whatever it was, it was BIG and involved a billion dollars or so.
I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with making allegations against powerful people when they abuse women, IF he actually did it (I'm equally skeptical either way). I think women should come forward immediately when evil men do bad things. However, I don't think anyone should casually look the other way given the timing of accusations which seem to be at a point when a pol or celeb is at his weakest. Bill Cosby is certainly no saint, but he and Cuomo are both entitled to the same due process. It always looks to me when the left needs a scapegoat from their own side bad enough, due process goes out the window. And that makes me wonder what Cuomo REALLY did, because the trial by public opinion is already well under way.
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05 Aug 2021, 2:24 pm
AngelRho wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
Cuomo’s power has come entirely from his own party. If I’ve learned anything from legal experience and associations with local politicians, it’s that there’s a deep buddy system that nobody ever really sees purely from the media. It never gets reported on, but elections really are decided waaaaay in advance because that buddy system has a lot to do with who ends up running for office. It’s not that hard to be a governor or president because few people seriously want those jobs. Sometimes those in power don’t actually want those jobs.
The Democratic party is much more interested in circling the wagons and protecting their own at all costs than Republicans ever would be. When sexual allegations actually hit their mark as with Cuomo as of late, it’s not by accident. Cuomo has pissed someone off big time. We’ll likely never find out the details, but don’t doubt me…Cuomo has abysmally failed someone out there and made an enemy, and now there will be “victims” crawling out of the woodwork to nail him to the wall. I’ll be surprised if he gets removed from office or worse, but at the same time, it wouldn’t really be all that shocking.
The Democratic party is much more interested in circling the wagons and protecting their own at all costs than Republicans ever would be. When sexual allegations actually hit their mark as with Cuomo as of late, it’s not by accident. Cuomo has pissed someone off big time. We’ll likely never find out the details, but don’t doubt me…Cuomo has abysmally failed someone out there and made an enemy, and now there will be “victims” crawling out of the woodwork to nail him to the wall. I’ll be surprised if he gets removed from office or worse, but at the same time, it wouldn’t really be all that shocking.
It may not be a case of him having "pissed off someone big time", but (due to timing) may be a way to distract from Mr Biden's "Department of Justice" declining to look into the nursing home deaths in a number of states - Given New York was the more publicised state, putting pressure on him for a different matter might be intended to distract the public.
That said, I had heard from several sources that he wasn't liked by many (if any) powerbrokers in his party (well before this blew up) being tolerated simply as a weapon to use against the former President, and following the recent election he was no longer required to fill that role.
I mean...you might be right, but I'm not really trying to go THERE. It's such an unusual pattern when Democrats turn on their own, and I'm not speaking as a supporter or detractor of either party. When Republicans are the target of accusations, the whole party turns their back on you. Democrats will defend you until there's nothing left to defend. Republicans could learn a thing or two from Democrats about corporate solidarity.
Not sure about that, there were quite a few allegations against trump before he became president and that didn't cause the republicans to turn their back on him.
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05 Aug 2021, 3:06 pm
Sweetleaf wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
Cuomo’s power has come entirely from his own party. If I’ve learned anything from legal experience and associations with local politicians, it’s that there’s a deep buddy system that nobody ever really sees purely from the media. It never gets reported on, but elections really are decided waaaaay in advance because that buddy system has a lot to do with who ends up running for office. It’s not that hard to be a governor or president because few people seriously want those jobs. Sometimes those in power don’t actually want those jobs.
The Democratic party is much more interested in circling the wagons and protecting their own at all costs than Republicans ever would be. When sexual allegations actually hit their mark as with Cuomo as of late, it’s not by accident. Cuomo has pissed someone off big time. We’ll likely never find out the details, but don’t doubt me…Cuomo has abysmally failed someone out there and made an enemy, and now there will be “victims” crawling out of the woodwork to nail him to the wall. I’ll be surprised if he gets removed from office or worse, but at the same time, it wouldn’t really be all that shocking.
The Democratic party is much more interested in circling the wagons and protecting their own at all costs than Republicans ever would be. When sexual allegations actually hit their mark as with Cuomo as of late, it’s not by accident. Cuomo has pissed someone off big time. We’ll likely never find out the details, but don’t doubt me…Cuomo has abysmally failed someone out there and made an enemy, and now there will be “victims” crawling out of the woodwork to nail him to the wall. I’ll be surprised if he gets removed from office or worse, but at the same time, it wouldn’t really be all that shocking.
It may not be a case of him having "pissed off someone big time", but (due to timing) may be a way to distract from Mr Biden's "Department of Justice" declining to look into the nursing home deaths in a number of states - Given New York was the more publicised state, putting pressure on him for a different matter might be intended to distract the public.
That said, I had heard from several sources that he wasn't liked by many (if any) powerbrokers in his party (well before this blew up) being tolerated simply as a weapon to use against the former President, and following the recent election he was no longer required to fill that role.
I mean...you might be right, but I'm not really trying to go THERE. It's such an unusual pattern when Democrats turn on their own, and I'm not speaking as a supporter or detractor of either party. When Republicans are the target of accusations, the whole party turns their back on you. Democrats will defend you until there's nothing left to defend. Republicans could learn a thing or two from Democrats about corporate solidarity.
Not sure about that, there were quite a few allegations against trump before he became president and that didn't cause the republicans to turn their back on him.
That's EXACTLY what I'm getting at, though. Trump's poor choices and personality were never a big secret. Nobody had quite the same high expectations. It takes much, MUCH more than that to sink any politician's career.
Republicans didn't really elect Trump. Trump won the election in the first place because nobody really wanted Clinton bad enough to elect her. The problem with Clinton running was that nobody in the Democratic party, and I mean NOBODY sincerely wanted to run against her and win. And, bless his heart, nobody was ever going to sincerely vote for Sanders, either. His efforts in the primaries were entirely symbolic to gauge interest in democratic socialism. Once Clinton broke through early in the primaries, every Democrat but one bailed like rats on a burning ship. Nobody wanted to run against Clinton, nobody wanted to VOTE for Clinton, so who'd you expect was going to win that election? I mean...that's the only credible explanation I can come up with that Clinton won the popular vote but couldn't carry enough electoral votes to seal the deal. Of course she won in the most populous states, but she alienated too many people elsewhere. And I'm not one of those Republicans too butthurt to admit that Trump lost his reelection bid. The fact is that, among many other reasons, the Never Trumpers won out and Democrats gained incentives to show up to the polls in less populous states. Sure, I wish Trump had won, but I'm not fooling myself, either. When the election came and it really mattered, the Republican Party was nowhere to be found.
And like I said, nobody ever had any illusions about Trump. But if you go back and study up on the careers of other prominent Republicans, everything is hunky dory until a Democrat finds that one skeleton in your closet. The instant that happens, Republicans are all like, "Depart from me you worker of iniquity. I never knew you." Trump? Naw, he threw all of his closet doors wide open and bragged about his skeletons. That's what made the whole tax return thing so hilarious because it was the one thing nobody had any right to and the only thing Trump chose to keep to himself.
People like Cuomo suffer because they have even uglier skeletons to hide, they're not even nice to their OWN people, and they go out of their way to maintain a god-like stature. They are above reproach from the start. They are adept at maintaining that image. And that's why the moment they offend the wrong supporter, their careers go down the tubes QUICK.
I mean...you tell me, if you were never a Trump supporter, did Trump's loss at the last election come as a surprise?
As for myself, politically speaking, part of me is glad we're going to have a pattern of Democrats as POTUS for the next few cycles. The drama since Bush really has done a number on me emotionally, so knowing I can just ignore politics for the next decade and a half without missing anything exciting comes as something of a relief. There's someone out there right now who is barely halfway through college who is going to be the next Republican president. If you're wondering what I'm thinking, just look up the age of eligibility for a presidential candidate and do the math. I'm hoping for the Republican equivalent of JFK. I'm hoping by then more Republicans will either have died or they will have come to their senses taking a more libertarian direction. But at any rate, I am truly excited about the next generation of Republicans who I hope will stick it to Tea Party hypocrites and Make America. [leaving two words out was intentional. "Great Again" implies we actually have an America that could be exceptional. I don't want to rebuild the country. I want to build it and get it right the first time.]
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05 Aug 2021, 3:39 pm
AngelRho wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
Cuomo’s power has come entirely from his own party. If I’ve learned anything from legal experience and associations with local politicians, it’s that there’s a deep buddy system that nobody ever really sees purely from the media. It never gets reported on, but elections really are decided waaaaay in advance because that buddy system has a lot to do with who ends up running for office. It’s not that hard to be a governor or president because few people seriously want those jobs. Sometimes those in power don’t actually want those jobs.
The Democratic party is much more interested in circling the wagons and protecting their own at all costs than Republicans ever would be. When sexual allegations actually hit their mark as with Cuomo as of late, it’s not by accident. Cuomo has pissed someone off big time. We’ll likely never find out the details, but don’t doubt me…Cuomo has abysmally failed someone out there and made an enemy, and now there will be “victims” crawling out of the woodwork to nail him to the wall. I’ll be surprised if he gets removed from office or worse, but at the same time, it wouldn’t really be all that shocking.
The Democratic party is much more interested in circling the wagons and protecting their own at all costs than Republicans ever would be. When sexual allegations actually hit their mark as with Cuomo as of late, it’s not by accident. Cuomo has pissed someone off big time. We’ll likely never find out the details, but don’t doubt me…Cuomo has abysmally failed someone out there and made an enemy, and now there will be “victims” crawling out of the woodwork to nail him to the wall. I’ll be surprised if he gets removed from office or worse, but at the same time, it wouldn’t really be all that shocking.
It may not be a case of him having "pissed off someone big time", but (due to timing) may be a way to distract from Mr Biden's "Department of Justice" declining to look into the nursing home deaths in a number of states - Given New York was the more publicised state, putting pressure on him for a different matter might be intended to distract the public.
That said, I had heard from several sources that he wasn't liked by many (if any) powerbrokers in his party (well before this blew up) being tolerated simply as a weapon to use against the former President, and following the recent election he was no longer required to fill that role.
I mean...you might be right, but I'm not really trying to go THERE. It's such an unusual pattern when Democrats turn on their own, and I'm not speaking as a supporter or detractor of either party. When Republicans are the target of accusations, the whole party turns their back on you. Democrats will defend you until there's nothing left to defend. Republicans could learn a thing or two from Democrats about corporate solidarity.
Not sure about that, there were quite a few allegations against trump before he became president and that didn't cause the republicans to turn their back on him.
That's EXACTLY what I'm getting at, though. Trump's poor choices and personality were never a big secret. Nobody had quite the same high expectations. It takes much, MUCH more than that to sink any politician's career.
Republicans didn't really elect Trump. Trump won the election in the first place because nobody really wanted Clinton bad enough to elect her. The problem with Clinton running was that nobody in the Democratic party, and I mean NOBODY sincerely wanted to run against her and win. And, bless his heart, nobody was ever going to sincerely vote for Sanders, either. His efforts in the primaries were entirely symbolic to gauge interest in democratic socialism. Once Clinton broke through early in the primaries, every Democrat but one bailed like rats on a burning ship. Nobody wanted to run against Clinton, nobody wanted to VOTE for Clinton, so who'd you expect was going to win that election? I mean...that's the only credible explanation I can come up with that Clinton won the popular vote but couldn't carry enough electoral votes to seal the deal. Of course she won in the most populous states, but she alienated too many people elsewhere. And I'm not one of those Republicans too butthurt to admit that Trump lost his reelection bid. The fact is that, among many other reasons, the Never Trumpers won out and Democrats gained incentives to show up to the polls in less populous states. Sure, I wish Trump had won, but I'm not fooling myself, either. When the election came and it really mattered, the Republican Party was nowhere to be found.
And like I said, nobody ever had any illusions about Trump. But if you go back and study up on the careers of other prominent Republicans, everything is hunky dory until a Democrat finds that one skeleton in your closet. The instant that happens, Republicans are all like, "Depart from me you worker of iniquity. I never knew you." Trump? Naw, he threw all of his closet doors wide open and bragged about his skeletons. That's what made the whole tax return thing so hilarious because it was the one thing nobody had any right to and the only thing Trump chose to keep to himself.
People like Cuomo suffer because they have even uglier skeletons to hide, they're not even nice to their OWN people, and they go out of their way to maintain a god-like stature. They are above reproach from the start. They are adept at maintaining that image. And that's why the moment they offend the wrong supporter, their careers go down the tubes QUICK.
I mean...you tell me, if you were never a Trump supporter, did Trump's loss at the last election come as a surprise?
As for myself, politically speaking, part of me is glad we're going to have a pattern of Democrats as POTUS for the next few cycles. The drama since Bush really has done a number on me emotionally, so knowing I can just ignore politics for the next decade and a half without missing anything exciting comes as something of a relief. There's someone out there right now who is barely halfway through college who is going to be the next Republican president. If you're wondering what I'm thinking, just look up the age of eligibility for a presidential candidate and do the math. I'm hoping for the Republican equivalent of JFK. I'm hoping by then more Republicans will either have died or they will have come to their senses taking a more libertarian direction. But at any rate, I am truly excited about the next generation of Republicans who I hope will stick it to Tea Party hypocrites and Make America. [leaving two words out was intentional. "Great Again" implies we actually have an America that could be exceptional. I don't want to rebuild the country. I want to build it and get it right the first time.]
And yet now Republicans ARE circling their wagons around Trump, even to the extent of supporting his impossible lies about having the election stolen from him, denigrating the police officers who had defended the capitol against Trump and his insurrectionist hoard, and trying to pass the blame from Trump for the capitol riot - where it properly belongs - to some insane conspiracy theory about Pelosi in order to confuse the subject. And by the way, plenty of Republicans think Trump is as pure as the driven snow, that he's the epitome of Christian values, and some - mostly of the QAnon persuasion - believe he's either a time traveler, or even JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF!! ! So, no, Republicans by and large haven't seen Trump for his flaws.
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05 Aug 2021, 5:15 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
Cuomo’s power has come entirely from his own party. If I’ve learned anything from legal experience and associations with local politicians, it’s that there’s a deep buddy system that nobody ever really sees purely from the media. It never gets reported on, but elections really are decided waaaaay in advance because that buddy system has a lot to do with who ends up running for office. It’s not that hard to be a governor or president because few people seriously want those jobs. Sometimes those in power don’t actually want those jobs.
The Democratic party is much more interested in circling the wagons and protecting their own at all costs than Republicans ever would be. When sexual allegations actually hit their mark as with Cuomo as of late, it’s not by accident. Cuomo has pissed someone off big time. We’ll likely never find out the details, but don’t doubt me…Cuomo has abysmally failed someone out there and made an enemy, and now there will be “victims” crawling out of the woodwork to nail him to the wall. I’ll be surprised if he gets removed from office or worse, but at the same time, it wouldn’t really be all that shocking.
The Democratic party is much more interested in circling the wagons and protecting their own at all costs than Republicans ever would be. When sexual allegations actually hit their mark as with Cuomo as of late, it’s not by accident. Cuomo has pissed someone off big time. We’ll likely never find out the details, but don’t doubt me…Cuomo has abysmally failed someone out there and made an enemy, and now there will be “victims” crawling out of the woodwork to nail him to the wall. I’ll be surprised if he gets removed from office or worse, but at the same time, it wouldn’t really be all that shocking.
It may not be a case of him having "pissed off someone big time", but (due to timing) may be a way to distract from Mr Biden's "Department of Justice" declining to look into the nursing home deaths in a number of states - Given New York was the more publicised state, putting pressure on him for a different matter might be intended to distract the public.
That said, I had heard from several sources that he wasn't liked by many (if any) powerbrokers in his party (well before this blew up) being tolerated simply as a weapon to use against the former President, and following the recent election he was no longer required to fill that role.
I mean...you might be right, but I'm not really trying to go THERE. It's such an unusual pattern when Democrats turn on their own, and I'm not speaking as a supporter or detractor of either party. When Republicans are the target of accusations, the whole party turns their back on you. Democrats will defend you until there's nothing left to defend. Republicans could learn a thing or two from Democrats about corporate solidarity.
Not sure about that, there were quite a few allegations against trump before he became president and that didn't cause the republicans to turn their back on him.
That's EXACTLY what I'm getting at, though. Trump's poor choices and personality were never a big secret. Nobody had quite the same high expectations. It takes much, MUCH more than that to sink any politician's career.
Republicans didn't really elect Trump. Trump won the election in the first place because nobody really wanted Clinton bad enough to elect her. The problem with Clinton running was that nobody in the Democratic party, and I mean NOBODY sincerely wanted to run against her and win. And, bless his heart, nobody was ever going to sincerely vote for Sanders, either. His efforts in the primaries were entirely symbolic to gauge interest in democratic socialism. Once Clinton broke through early in the primaries, every Democrat but one bailed like rats on a burning ship. Nobody wanted to run against Clinton, nobody wanted to VOTE for Clinton, so who'd you expect was going to win that election? I mean...that's the only credible explanation I can come up with that Clinton won the popular vote but couldn't carry enough electoral votes to seal the deal. Of course she won in the most populous states, but she alienated too many people elsewhere. And I'm not one of those Republicans too butthurt to admit that Trump lost his reelection bid. The fact is that, among many other reasons, the Never Trumpers won out and Democrats gained incentives to show up to the polls in less populous states. Sure, I wish Trump had won, but I'm not fooling myself, either. When the election came and it really mattered, the Republican Party was nowhere to be found.
And like I said, nobody ever had any illusions about Trump. But if you go back and study up on the careers of other prominent Republicans, everything is hunky dory until a Democrat finds that one skeleton in your closet. The instant that happens, Republicans are all like, "Depart from me you worker of iniquity. I never knew you." Trump? Naw, he threw all of his closet doors wide open and bragged about his skeletons. That's what made the whole tax return thing so hilarious because it was the one thing nobody had any right to and the only thing Trump chose to keep to himself.
People like Cuomo suffer because they have even uglier skeletons to hide, they're not even nice to their OWN people, and they go out of their way to maintain a god-like stature. They are above reproach from the start. They are adept at maintaining that image. And that's why the moment they offend the wrong supporter, their careers go down the tubes QUICK.
I mean...you tell me, if you were never a Trump supporter, did Trump's loss at the last election come as a surprise?
As for myself, politically speaking, part of me is glad we're going to have a pattern of Democrats as POTUS for the next few cycles. The drama since Bush really has done a number on me emotionally, so knowing I can just ignore politics for the next decade and a half without missing anything exciting comes as something of a relief. There's someone out there right now who is barely halfway through college who is going to be the next Republican president. If you're wondering what I'm thinking, just look up the age of eligibility for a presidential candidate and do the math. I'm hoping for the Republican equivalent of JFK. I'm hoping by then more Republicans will either have died or they will have come to their senses taking a more libertarian direction. But at any rate, I am truly excited about the next generation of Republicans who I hope will stick it to Tea Party hypocrites and Make America. [leaving two words out was intentional. "Great Again" implies we actually have an America that could be exceptional. I don't want to rebuild the country. I want to build it and get it right the first time.]
And yet now Republicans ARE circling their wagons around Trump, even to the extent of supporting his impossible lies about having the election stolen from him, denigrating the police officers who had defended the capitol against Trump and his insurrectionist hoard, and trying to pass the blame from Trump for the capitol riot - where it properly belongs - to some insane conspiracy theory about Pelosi in order to confuse the subject. And by the way, plenty of Republicans think Trump is as pure as the driven snow, that he's the epitome of Christian values, and some - mostly of the QAnon persuasion - believe he's either a time traveler, or even JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF!! ! So, no, Republicans by and large haven't seen Trump for his flaws.
Oh, sure, if all you consider are the tinfoil hats out there. Look, the last time I checked, Trump lost the election. He didn’t lose it alone. Biden ran against him. Never Trumpers steadily chipped away at him. Even some of his top supporters turned on him. He won 2016 because Dems were in a bad way at the time, not because a clear majority wanted HIM, and that came back to bite him in 2020. Well…naturally I think things would have been much worse under Clinton. But you’re fooling yourself if you think Trump lost only because of an overwhelming turnout of Democrats. Republicans turned out in droves to help them out.
I’m not going to waste space arguing over Trump, that’s not the point of the thread. There’s no doubt in my mind that Trump was repeatedly and often stabbed in the back by his own party. I’ve RARELY seen Democrats treat their own pols as abysmally as Trump’s own people, and as Republicans treat their own. Maybe our standards are too high for our own good. But Cuomo taking this much heat? Someone is beside himself, fit to be tied, and loaded for bear. Andy, what did you DO, man???
05 Aug 2021, 5:20 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
Cuomo’s power has come entirely from his own party. If I’ve learned anything from legal experience and associations with local politicians, it’s that there’s a deep buddy system that nobody ever really sees purely from the media. It never gets reported on, but elections really are decided waaaaay in advance because that buddy system has a lot to do with who ends up running for office. It’s not that hard to be a governor or president because few people seriously want those jobs. Sometimes those in power don’t actually want those jobs.
The Democratic party is much more interested in circling the wagons and protecting their own at all costs than Republicans ever would be. When sexual allegations actually hit their mark as with Cuomo as of late, it’s not by accident. Cuomo has pissed someone off big time. We’ll likely never find out the details, but don’t doubt me…Cuomo has abysmally failed someone out there and made an enemy, and now there will be “victims” crawling out of the woodwork to nail him to the wall. I’ll be surprised if he gets removed from office or worse, but at the same time, it wouldn’t really be all that shocking.
The Democratic party is much more interested in circling the wagons and protecting their own at all costs than Republicans ever would be. When sexual allegations actually hit their mark as with Cuomo as of late, it’s not by accident. Cuomo has pissed someone off big time. We’ll likely never find out the details, but don’t doubt me…Cuomo has abysmally failed someone out there and made an enemy, and now there will be “victims” crawling out of the woodwork to nail him to the wall. I’ll be surprised if he gets removed from office or worse, but at the same time, it wouldn’t really be all that shocking.
It may not be a case of him having "pissed off someone big time", but (due to timing) may be a way to distract from Mr Biden's "Department of Justice" declining to look into the nursing home deaths in a number of states - Given New York was the more publicised state, putting pressure on him for a different matter might be intended to distract the public.
That said, I had heard from several sources that he wasn't liked by many (if any) powerbrokers in his party (well before this blew up) being tolerated simply as a weapon to use against the former President, and following the recent election he was no longer required to fill that role.
I mean...you might be right, but I'm not really trying to go THERE. It's such an unusual pattern when Democrats turn on their own, and I'm not speaking as a supporter or detractor of either party. When Republicans are the target of accusations, the whole party turns their back on you. Democrats will defend you until there's nothing left to defend. Republicans could learn a thing or two from Democrats about corporate solidarity.
Not sure about that, there were quite a few allegations against trump before he became president and that didn't cause the republicans to turn their back on him.
That's EXACTLY what I'm getting at, though. Trump's poor choices and personality were never a big secret. Nobody had quite the same high expectations. It takes much, MUCH more than that to sink any politician's career.
Republicans didn't really elect Trump. Trump won the election in the first place because nobody really wanted Clinton bad enough to elect her. The problem with Clinton running was that nobody in the Democratic party, and I mean NOBODY sincerely wanted to run against her and win. And, bless his heart, nobody was ever going to sincerely vote for Sanders, either. His efforts in the primaries were entirely symbolic to gauge interest in democratic socialism. Once Clinton broke through early in the primaries, every Democrat but one bailed like rats on a burning ship. Nobody wanted to run against Clinton, nobody wanted to VOTE for Clinton, so who'd you expect was going to win that election? I mean...that's the only credible explanation I can come up with that Clinton won the popular vote but couldn't carry enough electoral votes to seal the deal. Of course she won in the most populous states, but she alienated too many people elsewhere. And I'm not one of those Republicans too butthurt to admit that Trump lost his reelection bid. The fact is that, among many other reasons, the Never Trumpers won out and Democrats gained incentives to show up to the polls in less populous states. Sure, I wish Trump had won, but I'm not fooling myself, either. When the election came and it really mattered, the Republican Party was nowhere to be found.
And like I said, nobody ever had any illusions about Trump. But if you go back and study up on the careers of other prominent Republicans, everything is hunky dory until a Democrat finds that one skeleton in your closet. The instant that happens, Republicans are all like, "Depart from me you worker of iniquity. I never knew you." Trump? Naw, he threw all of his closet doors wide open and bragged about his skeletons. That's what made the whole tax return thing so hilarious because it was the one thing nobody had any right to and the only thing Trump chose to keep to himself.
People like Cuomo suffer because they have even uglier skeletons to hide, they're not even nice to their OWN people, and they go out of their way to maintain a god-like stature. They are above reproach from the start. They are adept at maintaining that image. And that's why the moment they offend the wrong supporter, their careers go down the tubes QUICK.
I mean...you tell me, if you were never a Trump supporter, did Trump's loss at the last election come as a surprise?
As for myself, politically speaking, part of me is glad we're going to have a pattern of Democrats as POTUS for the next few cycles. The drama since Bush really has done a number on me emotionally, so knowing I can just ignore politics for the next decade and a half without missing anything exciting comes as something of a relief. There's someone out there right now who is barely halfway through college who is going to be the next Republican president. If you're wondering what I'm thinking, just look up the age of eligibility for a presidential candidate and do the math. I'm hoping for the Republican equivalent of JFK. I'm hoping by then more Republicans will either have died or they will have come to their senses taking a more libertarian direction. But at any rate, I am truly excited about the next generation of Republicans who I hope will stick it to Tea Party hypocrites and Make America. [leaving two words out was intentional. "Great Again" implies we actually have an America that could be exceptional. I don't want to rebuild the country. I want to build it and get it right the first time.]
And yet now Republicans ARE circling their wagons around Trump, even to the extent of supporting his impossible lies about having the election stolen from him, denigrating the police officers who had defended the capitol against Trump and his insurrectionist hoard, and trying to pass the blame from Trump for the capitol riot - where it properly belongs - to some insane conspiracy theory about Pelosi in order to confuse the subject. And by the way, plenty of Republicans think Trump is as pure as the driven snow, that he's the epitome of Christian values, and some - mostly of the QAnon persuasion - believe he's either a time traveler, or even JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF!! ! So, no, Republicans by and large haven't seen Trump for his flaws.
Ironically, Trump is likely the Anti-Christ
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05 Aug 2021, 5:34 pm
AngelRho wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
Cuomo’s power has come entirely from his own party. If I’ve learned anything from legal experience and associations with local politicians, it’s that there’s a deep buddy system that nobody ever really sees purely from the media. It never gets reported on, but elections really are decided waaaaay in advance because that buddy system has a lot to do with who ends up running for office. It’s not that hard to be a governor or president because few people seriously want those jobs. Sometimes those in power don’t actually want those jobs.
The Democratic party is much more interested in circling the wagons and protecting their own at all costs than Republicans ever would be. When sexual allegations actually hit their mark as with Cuomo as of late, it’s not by accident. Cuomo has pissed someone off big time. We’ll likely never find out the details, but don’t doubt me…Cuomo has abysmally failed someone out there and made an enemy, and now there will be “victims” crawling out of the woodwork to nail him to the wall. I’ll be surprised if he gets removed from office or worse, but at the same time, it wouldn’t really be all that shocking.
The Democratic party is much more interested in circling the wagons and protecting their own at all costs than Republicans ever would be. When sexual allegations actually hit their mark as with Cuomo as of late, it’s not by accident. Cuomo has pissed someone off big time. We’ll likely never find out the details, but don’t doubt me…Cuomo has abysmally failed someone out there and made an enemy, and now there will be “victims” crawling out of the woodwork to nail him to the wall. I’ll be surprised if he gets removed from office or worse, but at the same time, it wouldn’t really be all that shocking.
It may not be a case of him having "pissed off someone big time", but (due to timing) may be a way to distract from Mr Biden's "Department of Justice" declining to look into the nursing home deaths in a number of states - Given New York was the more publicised state, putting pressure on him for a different matter might be intended to distract the public.
That said, I had heard from several sources that he wasn't liked by many (if any) powerbrokers in his party (well before this blew up) being tolerated simply as a weapon to use against the former President, and following the recent election he was no longer required to fill that role.
I mean...you might be right, but I'm not really trying to go THERE. It's such an unusual pattern when Democrats turn on their own, and I'm not speaking as a supporter or detractor of either party. When Republicans are the target of accusations, the whole party turns their back on you. Democrats will defend you until there's nothing left to defend. Republicans could learn a thing or two from Democrats about corporate solidarity.
Not sure about that, there were quite a few allegations against trump before he became president and that didn't cause the republicans to turn their back on him.
That's EXACTLY what I'm getting at, though. Trump's poor choices and personality were never a big secret. Nobody had quite the same high expectations. It takes much, MUCH more than that to sink any politician's career.
Republicans didn't really elect Trump. Trump won the election in the first place because nobody really wanted Clinton bad enough to elect her. The problem with Clinton running was that nobody in the Democratic party, and I mean NOBODY sincerely wanted to run against her and win. And, bless his heart, nobody was ever going to sincerely vote for Sanders, either. His efforts in the primaries were entirely symbolic to gauge interest in democratic socialism. Once Clinton broke through early in the primaries, every Democrat but one bailed like rats on a burning ship. Nobody wanted to run against Clinton, nobody wanted to VOTE for Clinton, so who'd you expect was going to win that election? I mean...that's the only credible explanation I can come up with that Clinton won the popular vote but couldn't carry enough electoral votes to seal the deal. Of course she won in the most populous states, but she alienated too many people elsewhere. And I'm not one of those Republicans too butthurt to admit that Trump lost his reelection bid. The fact is that, among many other reasons, the Never Trumpers won out and Democrats gained incentives to show up to the polls in less populous states. Sure, I wish Trump had won, but I'm not fooling myself, either. When the election came and it really mattered, the Republican Party was nowhere to be found.
And like I said, nobody ever had any illusions about Trump. But if you go back and study up on the careers of other prominent Republicans, everything is hunky dory until a Democrat finds that one skeleton in your closet. The instant that happens, Republicans are all like, "Depart from me you worker of iniquity. I never knew you." Trump? Naw, he threw all of his closet doors wide open and bragged about his skeletons. That's what made the whole tax return thing so hilarious because it was the one thing nobody had any right to and the only thing Trump chose to keep to himself.
People like Cuomo suffer because they have even uglier skeletons to hide, they're not even nice to their OWN people, and they go out of their way to maintain a god-like stature. They are above reproach from the start. They are adept at maintaining that image. And that's why the moment they offend the wrong supporter, their careers go down the tubes QUICK.
I mean...you tell me, if you were never a Trump supporter, did Trump's loss at the last election come as a surprise?
As for myself, politically speaking, part of me is glad we're going to have a pattern of Democrats as POTUS for the next few cycles. The drama since Bush really has done a number on me emotionally, so knowing I can just ignore politics for the next decade and a half without missing anything exciting comes as something of a relief. There's someone out there right now who is barely halfway through college who is going to be the next Republican president. If you're wondering what I'm thinking, just look up the age of eligibility for a presidential candidate and do the math. I'm hoping for the Republican equivalent of JFK. I'm hoping by then more Republicans will either have died or they will have come to their senses taking a more libertarian direction. But at any rate, I am truly excited about the next generation of Republicans who I hope will stick it to Tea Party hypocrites and Make America. [leaving two words out was intentional. "Great Again" implies we actually have an America that could be exceptional. I don't want to rebuild the country. I want to build it and get it right the first time.]
And yet now Republicans ARE circling their wagons around Trump, even to the extent of supporting his impossible lies about having the election stolen from him, denigrating the police officers who had defended the capitol against Trump and his insurrectionist hoard, and trying to pass the blame from Trump for the capitol riot - where it properly belongs - to some insane conspiracy theory about Pelosi in order to confuse the subject. And by the way, plenty of Republicans think Trump is as pure as the driven snow, that he's the epitome of Christian values, and some - mostly of the QAnon persuasion - believe he's either a time traveler, or even JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF!! ! So, no, Republicans by and large haven't seen Trump for his flaws.
Oh, sure, if all you consider are the tinfoil hats out there. Look, the last time I checked, Trump lost the election. He didn’t lose it alone. Biden ran against him. Never Trumpers steadily chipped away at him. Even some of his top supporters turned on him. He won 2016 because Dems were in a bad way at the time, not because a clear majority wanted HIM, and that came back to bite him in 2020. Well…naturally I think things would have been much worse under Clinton. But you’re fooling yourself if you think Trump lost only because of an overwhelming turnout of Democrats. Republicans turned out in droves to help them out.
I’m not going to waste space arguing over Trump, that’s not the point of the thread. There’s no doubt in my mind that Trump was repeatedly and often stabbed in the back by his own party. I’ve RARELY seen Democrats treat their own pols as abysmally as Trump’s own people, and as Republicans treat their own. Maybe our standards are too high for our own good. But Cuomo taking this much heat? Someone is beside himself, fit to be tied, and loaded for bear. Andy, what did you DO, man???
Democrats are hardly perfect, and political machines rarely, if ever, are either. Republicans are just as guilty of that sort of things as Democrats are. How else would a dumbf*ck like Louise Gohmert Pyle keep getting elected?
Sure, plenty of Republicans turned on Trump, but he had no problem with turning on people, either, despite demanding absolute loyalty from them. The people Trump surrounded himself with have been grifters and nutbags, and deserve to be attacked, by Republicans of integrity and intelligence.
At least two thirds of Republicans' believe the horsesh*t that the election had been fixed, and that's more than just a few tinfoil hat wearers. More and more Republicans are becoming sympathetic to the fanatics who tried to overturn the last election at the capitol riot. That is nothing less than terrifying.
Actually, a great many Democrats had sat out the 2016 election, particularly racial minorities and idealistic young people. Seeing how their choice had gotten Trump elected, they came out in droves this time. So, yes, by and far, it was Democrat voters ousting Trump.
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05 Aug 2021, 5:37 pm
Tim_Tex wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
Cuomo’s power has come entirely from his own party. If I’ve learned anything from legal experience and associations with local politicians, it’s that there’s a deep buddy system that nobody ever really sees purely from the media. It never gets reported on, but elections really are decided waaaaay in advance because that buddy system has a lot to do with who ends up running for office. It’s not that hard to be a governor or president because few people seriously want those jobs. Sometimes those in power don’t actually want those jobs.
The Democratic party is much more interested in circling the wagons and protecting their own at all costs than Republicans ever would be. When sexual allegations actually hit their mark as with Cuomo as of late, it’s not by accident. Cuomo has pissed someone off big time. We’ll likely never find out the details, but don’t doubt me…Cuomo has abysmally failed someone out there and made an enemy, and now there will be “victims” crawling out of the woodwork to nail him to the wall. I’ll be surprised if he gets removed from office or worse, but at the same time, it wouldn’t really be all that shocking.
The Democratic party is much more interested in circling the wagons and protecting their own at all costs than Republicans ever would be. When sexual allegations actually hit their mark as with Cuomo as of late, it’s not by accident. Cuomo has pissed someone off big time. We’ll likely never find out the details, but don’t doubt me…Cuomo has abysmally failed someone out there and made an enemy, and now there will be “victims” crawling out of the woodwork to nail him to the wall. I’ll be surprised if he gets removed from office or worse, but at the same time, it wouldn’t really be all that shocking.
It may not be a case of him having "pissed off someone big time", but (due to timing) may be a way to distract from Mr Biden's "Department of Justice" declining to look into the nursing home deaths in a number of states - Given New York was the more publicised state, putting pressure on him for a different matter might be intended to distract the public.
That said, I had heard from several sources that he wasn't liked by many (if any) powerbrokers in his party (well before this blew up) being tolerated simply as a weapon to use against the former President, and following the recent election he was no longer required to fill that role.
I mean...you might be right, but I'm not really trying to go THERE. It's such an unusual pattern when Democrats turn on their own, and I'm not speaking as a supporter or detractor of either party. When Republicans are the target of accusations, the whole party turns their back on you. Democrats will defend you until there's nothing left to defend. Republicans could learn a thing or two from Democrats about corporate solidarity.
Not sure about that, there were quite a few allegations against trump before he became president and that didn't cause the republicans to turn their back on him.
That's EXACTLY what I'm getting at, though. Trump's poor choices and personality were never a big secret. Nobody had quite the same high expectations. It takes much, MUCH more than that to sink any politician's career.
Republicans didn't really elect Trump. Trump won the election in the first place because nobody really wanted Clinton bad enough to elect her. The problem with Clinton running was that nobody in the Democratic party, and I mean NOBODY sincerely wanted to run against her and win. And, bless his heart, nobody was ever going to sincerely vote for Sanders, either. His efforts in the primaries were entirely symbolic to gauge interest in democratic socialism. Once Clinton broke through early in the primaries, every Democrat but one bailed like rats on a burning ship. Nobody wanted to run against Clinton, nobody wanted to VOTE for Clinton, so who'd you expect was going to win that election? I mean...that's the only credible explanation I can come up with that Clinton won the popular vote but couldn't carry enough electoral votes to seal the deal. Of course she won in the most populous states, but she alienated too many people elsewhere. And I'm not one of those Republicans too butthurt to admit that Trump lost his reelection bid. The fact is that, among many other reasons, the Never Trumpers won out and Democrats gained incentives to show up to the polls in less populous states. Sure, I wish Trump had won, but I'm not fooling myself, either. When the election came and it really mattered, the Republican Party was nowhere to be found.
And like I said, nobody ever had any illusions about Trump. But if you go back and study up on the careers of other prominent Republicans, everything is hunky dory until a Democrat finds that one skeleton in your closet. The instant that happens, Republicans are all like, "Depart from me you worker of iniquity. I never knew you." Trump? Naw, he threw all of his closet doors wide open and bragged about his skeletons. That's what made the whole tax return thing so hilarious because it was the one thing nobody had any right to and the only thing Trump chose to keep to himself.
People like Cuomo suffer because they have even uglier skeletons to hide, they're not even nice to their OWN people, and they go out of their way to maintain a god-like stature. They are above reproach from the start. They are adept at maintaining that image. And that's why the moment they offend the wrong supporter, their careers go down the tubes QUICK.
I mean...you tell me, if you were never a Trump supporter, did Trump's loss at the last election come as a surprise?
As for myself, politically speaking, part of me is glad we're going to have a pattern of Democrats as POTUS for the next few cycles. The drama since Bush really has done a number on me emotionally, so knowing I can just ignore politics for the next decade and a half without missing anything exciting comes as something of a relief. There's someone out there right now who is barely halfway through college who is going to be the next Republican president. If you're wondering what I'm thinking, just look up the age of eligibility for a presidential candidate and do the math. I'm hoping for the Republican equivalent of JFK. I'm hoping by then more Republicans will either have died or they will have come to their senses taking a more libertarian direction. But at any rate, I am truly excited about the next generation of Republicans who I hope will stick it to Tea Party hypocrites and Make America. [leaving two words out was intentional. "Great Again" implies we actually have an America that could be exceptional. I don't want to rebuild the country. I want to build it and get it right the first time.]
And yet now Republicans ARE circling their wagons around Trump, even to the extent of supporting his impossible lies about having the election stolen from him, denigrating the police officers who had defended the capitol against Trump and his insurrectionist hoard, and trying to pass the blame from Trump for the capitol riot - where it properly belongs - to some insane conspiracy theory about Pelosi in order to confuse the subject. And by the way, plenty of Republicans think Trump is as pure as the driven snow, that he's the epitome of Christian values, and some - mostly of the QAnon persuasion - believe he's either a time traveler, or even JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF!! ! So, no, Republicans by and large haven't seen Trump for his flaws.
Ironically, Trump is likely the Anti-Christ
He might be Antichrist, but as Lutheran, I don't believe in "THE" Antichrist.
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Rudy Giuliani criticized the treatment of New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo after he was found to have sexually harassed 11 women, comparing his sexual assault allegations to those leveled against former President Donald Trump.
Giuliani, a former New York mayor and Donald Trump's former personal attorney, said after Cuomo risked being found guilty before he faced a trial after being condemned by multiple Democratic colleagues.
Cuomo may be guilty, but we used to have trials before convictions," tweeted Giuliani.
"That's what Cuomo's Democrat allies denied President Trump. There would be poetic justice if they did that to Cuomo, but it would be unjust, dangerous, and entirely un-American."
In a subsequent tweet, he added: "The truth of the charges against Cuomo should be determined by a trial of an [sic] impeachment and/or an indictment, not by the media."
Giuliani, a former New York mayor and Donald Trump's former personal attorney, said after Cuomo risked being found guilty before he faced a trial after being condemned by multiple Democratic colleagues.
Cuomo may be guilty, but we used to have trials before convictions," tweeted Giuliani.
"That's what Cuomo's Democrat allies denied President Trump. There would be poetic justice if they did that to Cuomo, but it would be unjust, dangerous, and entirely un-American."
In a subsequent tweet, he added: "The truth of the charges against Cuomo should be determined by a trial of an [sic] impeachment and/or an indictment, not by the media."
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Kraichgauer
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05 Aug 2021, 7:42 pm
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Rudy Giuliani criticized Andrew Cuomo's treatment, comparing his sexual harassment allegations to those against Trump
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Rudy Giuliani criticized the treatment of New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo after he was found to have sexually harassed 11 women, comparing his sexual assault allegations to those leveled against former President Donald Trump.
Giuliani, a former New York mayor and Donald Trump's former personal attorney, said after Cuomo risked being found guilty before he faced a trial after being condemned by multiple Democratic colleagues.
Cuomo may be guilty, but we used to have trials before convictions," tweeted Giuliani.
"That's what Cuomo's Democrat allies denied President Trump. There would be poetic justice if they did that to Cuomo, but it would be unjust, dangerous, and entirely un-American."
In a subsequent tweet, he added: "The truth of the charges against Cuomo should be determined by a trial of an [sic] impeachment and/or an indictment, not by the media."
Giuliani, a former New York mayor and Donald Trump's former personal attorney, said after Cuomo risked being found guilty before he faced a trial after being condemned by multiple Democratic colleagues.
Cuomo may be guilty, but we used to have trials before convictions," tweeted Giuliani.
"That's what Cuomo's Democrat allies denied President Trump. There would be poetic justice if they did that to Cuomo, but it would be unjust, dangerous, and entirely un-American."
In a subsequent tweet, he added: "The truth of the charges against Cuomo should be determined by a trial of an [sic] impeachment and/or an indictment, not by the media."
Okay, if Ghouliani is defending Cuomo, and comparing him to Trump, it's time to get a rope.
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05 Aug 2021, 10:56 pm
AngelRho wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
Cuomo’s power has come entirely from his own party. If I’ve learned anything from legal experience and associations with local politicians, it’s that there’s a deep buddy system that nobody ever really sees purely from the media. It never gets reported on, but elections really are decided waaaaay in advance because that buddy system has a lot to do with who ends up running for office. It’s not that hard to be a governor or president because few people seriously want those jobs. Sometimes those in power don’t actually want those jobs.
The Democratic party is much more interested in circling the wagons and protecting their own at all costs than Republicans ever would be. When sexual allegations actually hit their mark as with Cuomo as of late, it’s not by accident. Cuomo has pissed someone off big time. We’ll likely never find out the details, but don’t doubt me…Cuomo has abysmally failed someone out there and made an enemy, and now there will be “victims” crawling out of the woodwork to nail him to the wall. I’ll be surprised if he gets removed from office or worse, but at the same time, it wouldn’t really be all that shocking.
The Democratic party is much more interested in circling the wagons and protecting their own at all costs than Republicans ever would be. When sexual allegations actually hit their mark as with Cuomo as of late, it’s not by accident. Cuomo has pissed someone off big time. We’ll likely never find out the details, but don’t doubt me…Cuomo has abysmally failed someone out there and made an enemy, and now there will be “victims” crawling out of the woodwork to nail him to the wall. I’ll be surprised if he gets removed from office or worse, but at the same time, it wouldn’t really be all that shocking.
It may not be a case of him having "pissed off someone big time", but (due to timing) may be a way to distract from Mr Biden's "Department of Justice" declining to look into the nursing home deaths in a number of states - Given New York was the more publicised state, putting pressure on him for a different matter might be intended to distract the public.
That said, I had heard from several sources that he wasn't liked by many (if any) powerbrokers in his party (well before this blew up) being tolerated simply as a weapon to use against the former President, and following the recent election he was no longer required to fill that role.
I mean...you might be right, but I'm not really trying to go THERE. It's such an unusual pattern when Democrats turn on their own, and I'm not speaking as a supporter or detractor of either party. When Republicans are the target of accusations, the whole party turns their back on you. Democrats will defend you until there's nothing left to defend. Republicans could learn a thing or two from Democrats about corporate solidarity.
I think the reason for this difference comes down to the parties beliefs regarding people: The Democrats tend to be more "collective" focussed, putting people into groups, whereas the Republicans are more "independant"\individualistic in nature (also demonstrated in the way one party pushes for "representation" for groups, whilst the other looks towards individual "merit"). As a result, the Democrats defend their own, seeing an attack on one of their "tribe" as being an attack on the tribe as a whole, whereas the Republicans see similar actions as only reflecting on that individual, and not as a representation of the party.
This leads to the Democrats appearing as a unified group, but at the same time gives rise to the appearance that they tolerate certain behavious simply because they defend those of their tribe so strongly when accusations against them are made. On the other side, it gives the Republicans the ability to show they do not tolerate certain behaviour through removal of those people acting in certain ways, but also gives the appearance they do not support others in their tribe...The balance between defending the tribe and upholding the principle is what sets the 2 sides apart.
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