"YoU'rE nEvEr GoInG tO wIn PeOpLe OvEr WiTh ThAt AtTiTuDe!"
People who say crap like that were never going to be won over in the first place. And the fact that they seem to feel that winning them over is essential, or even desired, is just adorable. Nobody is asking you to change. Nobody really cares if you change. The world will change whether you like it or not.
Whenever you feel compelled to play the "more flies with honey than vinegar" card, remember two things - one, flies are also attracted to sh!t, and two, why the f*ck would you WANT to attract flies.
The whole "win me over" game is just a way to justify moving goalposts. "You didn't say it right". It's also a form of control. "Appease me, and maybe I'll reciprocate". MAYBE. You're using the fact that someone wants something as leverage in your favor. "If you want me to listen, jump through these hoops first".
Naturally, the solution to this is to say "f*ck you", and stop wasting time on someone who's more concerned with rules than the actual PROBLEM, who clearly has no interest in the matter, unless you kiss their arse and sweeten the pot for them.
That's the point of talking in an open forum. Even if I am talking to YOU, everyone else can still hear (read) it. Regardless of what any one person says or thinks, people will still make up their own minds. And if the words in the open forum manage to sway more people than not, then whoever still disagrees is more than welcome to do so in the minority. And since minorities are totally treated fairly in america, so I'm told, there should be no issue with becoming one, right?
What that meme leaves out (btw, memes aren't facts) is the part where, it doesn't matter how you approach the other person, the simple act of contradicting their hard held beliefs is all it takes to make them double down. It doesn't matter whether you say it with cookies and kisses or just lay into them. It violates a core belief of theirs, and that's all that matters. It upsets the fundamental nature of their entire belief system, and leads to intense discomfort of the "everything you know is wrong" type. Yeah, I know, everyone likes to think they're so totally open minded and wouldn't do something like that - but realistically, most people will cling to comfort when confronted with discomfort, simply as a reflex, without even realizing it.
At least the discussion is pretending to be on track now. Though it is ironic, that the person complaining about "long-winded" posts is now making long-winded posts in an attempt to look like they're participating. Sure makes it easier to copy-paste other people's words than to use your own, huh?
"Let's not worry about who started it, let's just end it" is always great when ending things here and now leaves you ahead. "Stop bringing up the past" is usually favorable when your past is not on your side.
And anyways, it's still one person telling everyone else how they should feel. It makes all manner of assumptions with no proof, just assertions, which sound great if that's what you already believe to begin with - but the fact remains that they are, in fact, just assumptions and assertions about what other people are thinking.
If, in fact, white people are not "race conscious", at best, all that could mean is they're unconcerned with races other than their own. Naturally, white people only focusing on white people would be advantageous - to white people. Naturally, white people would think this was a great way to do things. Again, seems like we're skirting dangerously to the truth of "I don't care".
Which would explain why some white people act like they should be given a medal and a parade for showing even the least concern for other people. Acting like they're doing POC a favor by acknowledging them, or treating them like "equals".
Lotta claims floating around, but not a lot of supporting evidence.
The fact that the co-founder of BLM has formal education in the topic of marxism, or even the fact that they personally embrace marxism, does not mean or prove that the organization is based on the the same ideology. If that's the only burden of evidence required, then by that same standard, the fact that america was founded by slave owners, and that we still have racists today, must mean that the system is in fact totally racist, since it was founded by racists, and some citizens are still racist.
That aside, while many people like to use terms like "socialism" and "communism" and "marxism" as boogeyman scare-words, I've found that most people can't actually describe what they mean. Usually, at best they can thrust a reprimanding and accusatory finger towards russia's past, and angrily say "like that!" - which, yes, that's what they CALLED it, but I could write "moose" on the side of a zebra, it's still not gonna sprout antlers.
Russia used the appeal of "socialism" as a lie to get people to buy in. Much like how america sold itself as a democracy, yet we're really an oligarchy. Realistically, it was more like capitalism, with "socialism" written on the box. We even have our own version. Trickle-down economics. "Give everything to the wealthy, and they totally won't just hoard it."
People are quick to point out that these systems don't work unless the people involved are honest - but that's true of any system of government. Which is why broad oversight and transparency are so important. In america, we vote in elections, maybe, but that's about as far as the average person gets involved in politics. The public screams about how the government should be held accountable, but does nothing to do so. It mumbles about "checks and balances" and how that's the job of this department or that department - but that's still The Government. The public seems to feel like it no longer has to be involved. There's other people that do that. People are too buys, working jobs, trying to live - and MAYBE that's WHY people are kept poor and working hard - to keep you struggling just enough to be too preoccupied to spend time on anything besides staying above water.
People complain that politics is so boring and complicated and this and that - and that's by design too, to make it so unpleasant to get into, nobody wants to. To make it require so much money, the poor can't compete. If the public doesn't want to get involved, the government can basically do as it pleases. It's not like YOU'LL do anything about it. You're too busy. You're not into politics. You don't like to get political. You don't care about that issue. You'd rather just stay out of it. You'd rather be neutral.
The government exists by and for the will of the people. They have power because we GIVE it to them. Yes, the electoral college can do whatever it wants for them ost part in presidential elections, but, who decides on the electoral college? The states' elected officials. And who decides on the states' elected officials? The people.
Given that the topic at hand is systemic racism in america, I don't see the point in talking about what cuba or russia does or doesn't do. We've already established that yes, many nations practice some form of bigotry, regardless of what system of government they claim to follow.
People like having control. Even democracy is a form of control, where by definition, the majority rules. The many rule over the few in that way. Even anarchy has rules to it, even if one of those rules is disregarding rules as a whole. Trying to impose order would be against the rules of anarchy. People will always come up with rules that favor them, even at the expense of others. Notice how rich and important people are often given priority over poor and unimportant people.
Even many autistic tendencies are related to control - difficulty dealing with changes in routine, having to keep things in a certain order, etc. Control is reassurance, predictability, reliability, and safety.
The point of bigotry isn't hatred. It's power. It's not about hating others. It's about power over others. Control.
"You're only 16% of things. Who cares what you think"
01 Sep 2021, 3:05 pm
