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16 Aug 2021, 12:40 pm

 A Brief History of Metaphysics 

"Everything is meaningless." -- Solomon, 935 BC

"Everything is water." -- Thales, 600 BC

"Everything is fire." -- Heraclitus, 500 BC

"Everything is atoms." -- Democritus, 400 BC

"Everything is forms." -- Plato, 300 BC

"Everything is The One." -- Plotinus, 250 AD

"Everything is emanation." -- Averros, 1180 AD

"Everything is mind or body." -- Descartes, 1641 AD

"Everything is God." -- Spinoza, 1677 AD

"Everything is ideas." -- Berkeley, 1713 AD

"Everything is monads." -- Leibniz, 1714 AD

"Everything is noumena." -- Kant, 1781 AD

"Actually, it turns out metaphysical speculation is stupid, and this has all been a huge waste of time." -- Wittgenstein, 1922 AD



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Everything
Is
Everything ALL
Is
And Words Are
Is
Meaningless
Is
Without
Is
Essence
Is
Thanks Now
It's All SettLed
Future Of Metaphysics
Is
Still Past Present Now Everything IS



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16 Aug 2021, 8:27 pm

Metaphysics is my JAM. We're starseeds existing simultaneously in multidimensional realities, all light fractals of the one true consciousness that I AM. 8)

Do you guys have any experience watching Gaia TV? It's a streaming subscription, but all their series are great!


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16 Aug 2021, 8:44 pm

Wittgenstein was right about some philosophical problems, such as the problem of universals, being rooted in misunderstandings of language, but his behaviorism led him to go too far in dismissing other questions that should be obviously meaningful independent of semantics, such as the nature and origins of consciousness.



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16 Aug 2021, 10:26 pm

professorkiki33 wrote:
Metaphysics is my JAM. We're starseeds existing simultaneously in multidimensional realities, all light fractals of the one true consciousness that I AM. 8)

Do you guys have any experience watching Gaia TV? It's a streaming subscription, but all their series are great!




i've Seen Facebook Advertisements for "Gaia TV;"

Yet i'm Not into Paying For Any Creativity;

Rather Do the "Starseed existing
simultaneously in multidimensional
realities, all light fractals of one true
consciousness that I AM," You Relate

Here Now; As It's True

i Just about

Related this
Same Soulful Breath

Earlier in my Thread,

'The Depth of The Story',
Approaching 900 Thousand
Words in Writing One Very Autistic
Solo Thread; Where Basically It's Just

me Communicating With This Multi-Dimensional (my SoUL)

Reality We aRE ALways Changing Now Some More in Touch

With the Colors

New We Continue

to Create Than Others;

Anyway, It doesn't really

Matter if my Words are 'Non-Sense'

to Others Or Not; For They Are Only Shells

of Metaphysical Dimensions, i Personally

Co-Create

NoW AS Fractals

Of All i Am Now With SMiLes...

Suggestion; Don't Be Disheartened

By the Folks Here; Not Everyone is

In Touch With This (YouR) ParT of THeir Existence;

Particularly, And Ironically, i Find in A Philosophy

Forum, Most Anywhere i go in the so-called 'Western

World'; Yet Indian Women Poets Are In Touch With the

Metaphors i Free Verse From Soul as They Simply Have

Explored More

of this Human

Potential Now;

As It's True, There
Were basically 5.3 Decades,
i Was Mostly Separated From MORE too...

Except For A Few Brief Glimpses Along the

Journey of Life; Just Small Paths to Where i

Exist and Co-Create Now Always New Paths

to Explore

And Color

my Life at Least More;

And Sure, Other People Who

Relate to These Metaphors of

Course, Them As Well As Fractals
of ALL i Am too; And Them of Course With SMiLes too...

It's Just A New Frontier Always Now For Additional Exploration; Yes,
And The Benefits Are Simply Blessings And Blissings Beyond What
Most Folks May Imagine in this Forum; As i Surely Was Lost From

This Stellar

Human

Potential
Again for
Over 5 Decades of my
So Called Living Dead Life Then...

Yes, FoR ME AT LeasT, Difference Between
Living Alive And Living Dead Before For ReaL...

Basically, i Remain in an Autotelic Meditative
Flow Reality of Dance And Song All WaKinG
And Sleeping Hours in 'Dreamtime' Now of

Course What Our Ancestors Experienced So
Much More; Not So Lost in the Very Limited
Mechanical Cognition Mind That Yes, Naturally

Represses the Potentials Of Our Minds Much
Greater in Touch With Subconscious Potentials
RiSinG to Newer Occasions of Social, Empathic, Artistic, Spiritual
Intelligences Now That We Surely Will Develop That We've Never

Experienced

NoW iN Human
Potentials Before;

As It's True, A Life Spent
In Data Download Way From
Almost Birth NoW iN Mechanical
Cognition, Where We Literally Become
Extensions of the Tools We Create Is

Just An Experiment

From Centuries

to Decades to

Years to Days

to Seconds Old New
Now That Reflect Very
Little of Our Human Potentials
Before When they Came Greater Within
Through All Our Ancestral Evolution than

What's Printed on
An Instruction to
Do List From Birth
Restricted From one Side
of the Page to the Other

In Deadline Money Life;

Where Our Integral Mind,
Never Much Gets A Chance
to Develop Holistically At All...

"i Robot"

Is Not

A Great

Place to Thrive';

Indeed, My Old Home;

Yet, "Genesis Ch.1 v.32"
As Whole Metaphor By "The Alan Parsons Project"
Is More of my Personal Abode Now With SMiLes...

There Are Not Many Fresh Breaths of Air Like You
Here; Do Hang Around If You Like And Express All of Who You
Are; And Let Other Folks Do Them too; It is a Very Autistic Way With SMiles...
As It's True Like Any Other "Jonathan Livingston Seagull" This ALLONE FLiGHT iS OFTeN Lone
Yet Indeed

Verily

Impossible

To Be Alone iN
ALLONE Places i Fly Lone;
Indeed, Beyond All Time,
Distance, Space, Now And
'Ordinary Matter' at Least...
Obviously THeRE iS NO
ReaL HiSToRY of

Metaphysics

Now

FoR ME AT

LeasT ETeRNaLLY NoW



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17 Aug 2021, 9:39 am

Metaphysics refers to broad concepts of reality, such as materialism and dualism, and to broad issues regarding the nature of reality.  Metaphysical speculation about kinds of realities has gradually given way to careful analyses of what can reasonably be posited about reality given what we know about how we come to experience reality and how we come to generate ideas about reality.

Metaphysical claims are not scientific, contradictory metaphysical positions cannot be tested empirically to determine which is false, and appealing to the consequences of belief is irrelevant -- mere belief proves nothing.  People adhere to their metaphysical beliefs more out of personal disposition and temperament than evidence and proof.



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17 Aug 2021, 10:34 am

Fnord wrote:
Metaphysics refers to broad concepts of reality, such as materialism and dualism, and to broad issues regarding the nature of reality.  Metaphysical speculation about kinds of realities has gradually given way to careful analyses of what can reasonably be posited about reality given what we know about how we come to experience reality and how we come to generate ideas about reality.

Metaphysical claims are not scientific, contradictory metaphysical positions cannot be tested empirically to determine which is false, and appealing to the consequences of belief is irrelevant -- mere belief proves nothing.  People adhere to their metaphysical beliefs more out of personal disposition and temperament than evidence and proof.




Difference IS

In What You Do
And What i Actually

Do That Changes my

World Thank You

Now Do

You

Understand Your Value?

i Empirically Assess the
Effective Results MaGiCK,
Metaphysics, or Whatever
Ya Wanna CaLL iT BRingS...

So Do Tale

What Who

And Why Do You Do?

Or Do You Even Have A Fuller
Potential to Do You? i Believe You Do...

YeT AGaiN

Ain't Gonna

Be One to Tell You What to Do...

See How This Works?

Rhetorical
Question
of Course...

PS: Dude, i Write A Whole
Lot; A Longer EPiC Long Form
Poem Than Anyone Assessed
in The Record Books of History
All 9.6 MiLLioN Words in 96 Months;
Otherwise Known As 8 Years on 8.18.2021;

Dude, i Dance Farther In Public As Fully Documented
Too Farther Than In Recorded HiStory At Least than
Anyone Else's too, at 15,266 Miles in 96 Months, True;

Never The LESS WITH ALL OF THIS TAKEN INTO
CONSIDERATION IT DOESN'T EVEN

COMPARE

TO LESS THAN

A GRAIN OF SAND DEEP
AS THESE ARE ONLY SYMBOLS
FOR THE METAPHYSICAL REALITY UNDERNEATH...

i Suggest You Escape Pages And Dance A Bit More Free

Yet Only
A Suggestion

For i Could Verily
Be More Like you than me too...

Yeah Baby, Already Been THere
And Done A Similar place at least...



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17 Aug 2021, 10:35 am

Yep....just like religion....

It's subjective experience. It can't be proven through scientific methods.

But it might be true for that person.

As long as the belief doesn't harm me, I don't see anything wrong with someone believing in metaphysical or religious things--as long as I am not scorned for not believing in metaphysical or religious things.



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17 Aug 2021, 10:47 am

While metaphysical/religious beliefs by themselves do not harm others, acting on those beliefs may.

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Dance/Song IS Vibrations,
Frequencies, Energies in Synergies Steps/Words Create;
Metaphysical Reality Now Impossible To Fully Measure;

Yet

Real...

Effective

Actions, Consequences Eternally Now

Go Farther Than Any One Person

Will Ever See or Breathe...

This Is Metaphysics

Baby; Poetry Dance

And Song in Motion

Beyond All Measure Beyond

Even Terms As Small As 'Infinity' Now...

Distance

Below

And Above

A Grain of Sand And More...(God)



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17 Aug 2021, 11:38 am

Question: If the self intuits itself as it is affected by itself, and therefore as it appears to itself, not as it is, then how can the self possibly differentiate between the self and the not-self?  Answer: It Kant.



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17 Aug 2021, 1:24 pm

aghogday wrote:
professorkiki33 wrote:
Metaphysics is my JAM. We're starseeds existing simultaneously in multidimensional realities, all light fractals of the one true consciousness that I AM. 8)

Do you guys have any experience watching Gaia TV? It's a streaming subscription, but all their series are great!




i've Seen Facebook Advertisements for "Gaia TV;"

Yet i'm Not into Paying For Any Creativity;

Rather Do the "Starseed existing
simultaneously in multidimensional
realities, all light fractals of one true
consciousness that I AM," You Relate

Here Now; As It's True

i Just about

Related this
Same Soulful Breath

Earlier in my Thread,

'The Depth of The Story',
Approaching 900 Thousand
Words in Writing One Very Autistic
Solo Thread; Where Basically It's Just

me Communicating With This Multi-Dimensional (my SoUL)

Reality We aRE ALways Changing Now Some More in Touch

With the Colors

New We Continue

to Create Than Others;

Anyway, It doesn't really

Matter if my Words are 'Non-Sense'

to Others Or Not; For They Are Only Shells

of Metaphysical Dimensions, i Personally

Co-Create

NoW AS Fractals

Of All i Am Now With SMiLes...

Suggestion; Don't Be Disheartened

By the Folks Here; Not Everyone is

In Touch With This (YouR) ParT of THeir Existence;

Particularly, And Ironically, i Find in A Philosophy

Forum, Most Anywhere i go in the so-called 'Western

World'; Yet Indian Women Poets Are In Touch With the

Metaphors i Free Verse From Soul as They Simply Have

Explored More

of this Human

Potential Now;

As It's True, There
Were basically 5.3 Decades,
i Was Mostly Separated From MORE too...

Except For A Few Brief Glimpses Along the

Journey of Life; Just Small Paths to Where i

Exist and Co-Create Now Always New Paths

to Explore

And Color

my Life at Least More;

And Sure, Other People Who

Relate to These Metaphors of

Course, Them As Well As Fractals
of ALL i Am too; And Them of Course With SMiLes too...

It's Just A New Frontier Always Now For Additional Exploration; Yes,
And The Benefits Are Simply Blessings And Blissings Beyond What
Most Folks May Imagine in this Forum; As i Surely Was Lost From

This Stellar

Human

Potential
Again for
Over 5 Decades of my
So Called Living Dead Life Then...

Yes, FoR ME AT LeasT, Difference Between
Living Alive And Living Dead Before For ReaL...

Basically, i Remain in an Autotelic Meditative
Flow Reality of Dance And Song All WaKinG
And Sleeping Hours in 'Dreamtime' Now of

Course What Our Ancestors Experienced So
Much More; Not So Lost in the Very Limited
Mechanical Cognition Mind That Yes, Naturally

Represses the Potentials Of Our Minds Much
Greater in Touch With Subconscious Potentials
RiSinG to Newer Occasions of Social, Empathic, Artistic, Spiritual
Intelligences Now That We Surely Will Develop That We've Never

Experienced

NoW iN Human
Potentials Before;

As It's True, A Life Spent
In Data Download Way From
Almost Birth NoW iN Mechanical
Cognition, Where We Literally Become
Extensions of the Tools We Create Is

Just An Experiment

From Centuries

to Decades to

Years to Days

to Seconds Old New
Now That Reflect Very
Little of Our Human Potentials
Before When they Came Greater Within
Through All Our Ancestral Evolution than

What's Printed on
An Instruction to
Do List From Birth
Restricted From one Side
of the Page to the Other

In Deadline Money Life;

Where Our Integral Mind,
Never Much Gets A Chance
to Develop Holistically At All...

"i Robot"

Is Not

A Great

Place to Thrive';

Indeed, My Old Home;

Yet, "Genesis Ch.1 v.32"
As Whole Metaphor By "The Alan Parsons Project"
Is More of my Personal Abode Now With SMiLes...

There Are Not Many Fresh Breaths of Air Like You
Here; Do Hang Around If You Like And Express All of Who You
Are; And Let Other Folks Do Them too; It is a Very Autistic Way With SMiles...
As It's True Like Any Other "Jonathan Livingston Seagull" This ALLONE FLiGHT iS OFTeN Lone
Yet Indeed

Verily

Impossible

To Be Alone iN
ALLONE Places i Fly Lone;
Indeed, Beyond All Time,
Distance, Space, Now And
'Ordinary Matter' at Least...
Obviously THeRE iS NO
ReaL HiSToRY of

Metaphysics

Now

FoR ME AT

LeasT ETeRNaLLY NoW



Yes, I agree. Acceptance is key to this existence, I allow all to be its true expression of the One without judgment. The Light in me Recognizes the Light in You.


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17 Aug 2021, 2:09 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Yep....just like religion....

It's subjective experience. It can't be proven through scientific methods.

But it might be true for that person.

As long as the belief doesn't harm me, I don't see anything wrong with someone believing in metaphysical or religious things--as long as I am not scorned for not believing in metaphysical or religious things.


there's however a problem with whether or not something or someone gets harmed.
as the philosopher Timothy Morton puts it: "the ontological is political"

whether one thinks everything is one, god, or atoms creates a fundamentally different relationship with the world.
Or to stsy with your example: am I harming you, or am I merely rearranging some atoms that will eventually be rearranged anyway?
and why is it okay to kill animals for food, except members of one species of mammal which is not endangered, and actually quite invasive, colony forming and really bad for the biomes it enters?


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17 Aug 2021, 4:14 pm

If the most compelling thing you can say to support a belief system is that nobody gets hurt, then you have not much to say about the belief system at all.



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17 Aug 2021, 10:57 pm

professorkiki33 wrote:
Yes, I agree. Acceptance is key to this existence, I allow all to be its true expression of the One without judgment. The Light in me Recognizes the Light in You.






"The Light in me Recognizes the Light in You."

Similar Philosophy of Indian "Namaste" in Respect For

Others Through And Through;" True, Looking Within

And Seeing

Within

Others Now
At Best In Higher
Vibrations, Frequencies,
Energies, Synergies THeREoF

We Give,
Share, Care

Fearlessly Now
With Least Harm
Freely iN Truth of
LiGHT NoW Towered By Love..:)



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Fnord wrote:
Question: If the self intuits itself as it is affected by itself, and therefore as it appears to itself, not as it is, then how can the self possibly differentiate between the self and the not-self?  Answer: It Kant.




Fullness; Reciprocity;
Fairness in Justice;
Empathy For Others
With Compassion;

Including
Comfort

Of Consoling
In Loss True Even
Chimps Will See Farther
Than Their Own Skin With
Mirror Neurons And Feel
Emotional Contagion
Oxytocin Comfort

Brings When It Comes to Humans
We Have the Ability With Our Abstract
Constructs to Create Alternate Realities
of Politics, Religion, And Philosophies

That Suggest We Are More 'Fallen' Than
Chimps In Our Reliance on Abstract Constructs
Associated With Symbols In Religion Including
Ideologies That Really Do Become Human Made

Dreams

And Nightmares

Too As Blood Will Run
Deep On Roads in the
Name of Loving A Symbol/Ideology

Instead of Retaining All The Natural
Potential We have to Get Along With Each
Other At Least As Well As Chimps Who Truly

Need Each Other to Live...

Yes Again, Indeed, Religions Come to
Be Metaphysical Realities That Are Often
Practically Insane For The Reality of Who We

Are Actually Evolved Born to Be i've Heard

So Many People On 'This Internet Site' and
in Church Suggest That Humans Are Naturally
Fallen And Evil in Competitive Ways of Greed...

True Our Metaphysical

Realities Our

Spoon-Fed Cultures

Create Yet According to Science

At Least Far From The Nature of Cooperation
We Are Evolved to Survive and Thrive NoW In

Reciprocity, Justice, Empathy, Compassion

And Again Consoling Those Who Do Fall Down in Life...

It's Still True, Life is Basically A "Rorschach Test" Where

Some Humans See Free Beautiful Birds on Loving Wings

And All Others Will See Is Monsters Without Even An Ability to Fly...

Yet Again, Neuroscience Suggests We Hallucinate Our Realities
Based on the Experience We Hallucinate Before In Life One

Person's

Illusion

May

Not Be Seen
By Another Meanwhile

Bonobos are Thriving in the Forest
As True They Live More in Nature's
Reality Not Clothed And Lost With
And As All Human CuLTuRaL Tools...

"In modern philosophical terminology, metaphysics
refers to the studies of what cannot be reached
through objective studies of material reality."

According to NeuroScience All Of Our Conscious
Experiences of Life Are Verily The Metaphysics We Hallucinate...

Lots of 'Bad Trips' Here Lately... Alcohol Sells Are Way Up And School Kids

(Already Since Last Tuesday, Infections 64, to 88, to 123 Today With 300 Kids
Out Exposed in The DeSaTaNiS Mandated Killing Unmasked State Schools)

Remain Unmasked; Yet It's Definitely A Seller's Market For 'Cars' Without Computer 'Chips'...






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