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27 Sep 2021, 8:10 am

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So you think the BBC is more informed about the Klan than the people who live in the same state with them?


It may surprise you but the BBC and Al Jezeera and even our own Australian ABC have journalists who have been stationed in the US who have deep knowledge of the politics/culture in America.

Another advantage of foreign news services is that they are not subject to government pressure on their editorial team

This certainly happened during the Covington schoolboy legal case against the Washington post where the then POTUS interfered in two legal cases by supporting Nicholas Sandmann's parent's claims and secondly in the murder trial of Kyle Rittenhouse where again the POTUS threw his support behind the murder accused and against the families of the victims.

Both of these were major conflicts of interest given the legal team supporting Sandmann and Rittenhouse was pro-Trump, Pro-QAnon, Following Sandmann's successful out-of court settlement the events leading up to that particular story has been cancelled from media (as if it never existed) in fear of legal repercussion, These are examples of interference in the operation of the free press in the US.

The Sandmann incident was a media hoax. The video was edited to create the racist narrative. So I guess these foreign media outlets were ahead of the curve in pointing out the ill intent of the US media?
They just did this again days ago with the debunked claim that the US border patrol were using whips against Haitian refugees. The media can't be trusted.


Whips or not, guys on horses trying to roundup people looks more than a little dehumanizing. Kinda like hunting humans in the original Planet Of The Apes.

The optics may be bad but the job of the border patrol is to keep the border secure. That may not look pretty at times but the job must be done. If we have no border we have no country.



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27 Sep 2021, 8:21 am

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The Sandmann incident was a media hoax. The video was edited to create the racist narrative. So I guess these foreign media outlets were ahead of the curve in pointing out the ill intent of the US media?
They just did this again days ago with the debunked claim that the US border patrol were using whips against Haitian refugees. The media can't be trusted.


Careful not to conflate two different issues. The first was a conflict of interest in that the office of president directly publicly commented about two legal cases (Sandmann and Rittenhouse) throwing support for both the accused controversially before a jury was able to deliberate. In addition the legal defence team in both cases were the same and both had connections to Trump and to conspiracy groups.

Sandmann's case was never proven to be a hoax as a settlement was made out of court to avoid tarnishing the Washington Posts reputation with advertisers frightened of the apparent public support the of the office of POTUS made to the case and the potential fall out with MAGAs who might boycott their products/services if they advertise with that media outlet.

Watch the full un-edited video. If not an outright hoax it is misinformation that the media doubled down on even after the facts were exposed.



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27 Sep 2021, 8:23 am

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The Sandmann incident was a media hoax. The video was edited to create the racist narrative. So I guess these foreign media outlets were ahead of the curve in pointing out the ill intent of the US media?
They just did this again days ago with the debunked claim that the US border patrol were using whips against Haitian refugees. The media can't be trusted.


The way I understand the timeline, it wasn't a media hoax, but a personal one that went viral. I was seeing it spread person to person on Facebook hours before any news outlets mentioned it, and they only seemed to do so because it was already viral.

I'll say it a million times over, but sharing something someone created and posted is almost always a destructive decision. When sharing among friends, no one is vetting anything.

Could have been, but the problem is that the media didn't do their due diligence to find out the facts before running with a story that seemed to fit their narrative. Some news agencies even doubled down after the truth came out.



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27 Sep 2021, 3:31 pm

Mr Reynholm wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
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So you think the BBC is more informed about the Klan than the people who live in the same state with them?


It may surprise you but the BBC and Al Jezeera and even our own Australian ABC have journalists who have been stationed in the US who have deep knowledge of the politics/culture in America.

Another advantage of foreign news services is that they are not subject to government pressure on their editorial team

This certainly happened during the Covington schoolboy legal case against the Washington post where the then POTUS interfered in two legal cases by supporting Nicholas Sandmann's parent's claims and secondly in the murder trial of Kyle Rittenhouse where again the POTUS threw his support behind the murder accused and against the families of the victims.

Both of these were major conflicts of interest given the legal team supporting Sandmann and Rittenhouse was pro-Trump, Pro-QAnon, Following Sandmann's successful out-of court settlement the events leading up to that particular story has been cancelled from media (as if it never existed) in fear of legal repercussion, These are examples of interference in the operation of the free press in the US.

The Sandmann incident was a media hoax. The video was edited to create the racist narrative. So I guess these foreign media outlets were ahead of the curve in pointing out the ill intent of the US media?
They just did this again days ago with the debunked claim that the US border patrol were using whips against Haitian refugees. The media can't be trusted.


Whips or not, guys on horses trying to roundup people looks more than a little dehumanizing. Kinda like hunting humans in the original Planet Of The Apes.

The optics may be bad but the job of the border patrol is to keep the border secure. That may not look pretty at times but the job must be done. If we have no border we have no country.


Until the Trump years, refugees were supposed to be able to apply for asylum. That changed when Trump decided to keep out black and brown people from what he called $hithole countries, like these people.
If someone gallantly makes a dangerous journey to escape poverty and violence in order to become Americans, then that's courage that should be rewarded.


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27 Sep 2021, 7:53 pm

Mr Reynholm wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
The Sandmann incident was a media hoax. The video was edited to create the racist narrative. So I guess these foreign media outlets were ahead of the curve in pointing out the ill intent of the US media?
They just did this again days ago with the debunked claim that the US border patrol were using whips against Haitian refugees. The media can't be trusted.


Careful not to conflate two different issues. The first was a conflict of interest in that the office of president directly publicly commented about two legal cases (Sandmann and Rittenhouse) throwing support for both the accused controversially before a jury was able to deliberate. In addition the legal defence team in both cases were the same and both had connections to Trump and to conspiracy groups.

Sandmann's case was never proven to be a hoax as a settlement was made out of court to avoid tarnishing the Washington Posts reputation with advertisers frightened of the apparent public support the of the office of POTUS made to the case and the potential fall out with MAGAs who might boycott their products/services if they advertise with that media outlet.

Watch the full un-edited video. If not an outright hoax it is misinformation that the media doubled down on even after the facts were exposed.


Yeah I've watched it plenty of times and know the backstory too. A lot of information was deemed inadmissible
- why the teachers allowed the boys to wear Trump hats?
- why the teachers allowed the boys to sexually harrass girls
- why is a school politicising a health issue? where are the parents? why are they writing permission slips to attend a rally for a nutjob cause like abortion?
- why the teachers encouraged the teenage boys to go out of their way to attack a group of black hebrews (adults) and verbally abuse them?
- why nothing was done when they surrounded an old man and ridiculed him?

I am not saying they committed a major crime, but the school helped cover up the boys actions that day due to their lack of due diligence and possible involvement in a political rally, They gladly accepted legal protection from the QAnon legal team who'se interest was to minmise bad press from MAGA wearing kids acting like bullies and racists. When the President threw his support the Washington post had no choice but settle to avoid losing advertisers.



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27 Sep 2021, 7:55 pm

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Until the Trump years, refugees were supposed to be able to apply for asylum. That changed when Trump decided to keep out black and brown people from what he called $hithole countries, like these people.
If someone gallantly makes a dangerous journey to escape poverty and violence in order to become Americans, then that's courage that should be rewarded.


Remember Kraichie, the statue of Liberty in NY harbour was there for tired huddled masses of certain hue.



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27 Sep 2021, 8:29 pm

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This is where white fragility comes in, when racism is pointed out, instead of learning about it, they get defensive and act like they have been attacked and insulted and bullied.


The way Isabella, Slyfox and I were attacked and bullied, you mean?


It's a common tactic - It's "white fragility" (or you're an "Uncle T**", "white-aligned", etc) if you don't agree with what is claimed as being the "right" opinion - To people who use (or condone) such terms, the only possible reason for others not subscribing to the "right" opinion is that they are "racist", "race traitors", etc. with no consideration given to the possibility that their "right" opinion may not actually be "right" (or appropriate), or that others may have better\more relevent\more informed opinions\views on the subject than their own.


The use of the race card strategy to silence discussion was (an is if still used) cheap and degrading to both the people it was used against and the people who used it.
It is anti-intellectual and a haven for those who lack the intellectual capacity to formulate a good defence of their position.

Brictoria wrote:
These are simply bullying tactics designed to force compliance with the "right" opinion through the use of shaming techniques. Rather than providing valid reasoning to support what they wish to have believed and seeking to reach a mutual understanding through conversation, they instead seek to avoid having their opinion subjected to any form of scrutiny or critisism: Only a weak opinion\belief\theory needs to be sheltered from critisism\scrutiny - A strong one can stand on it's own.


You can say that again, sister. :mrgreen:

The saying:
"If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen", comes to mind. 8)


Perhaps the right should be asking why the so called race card has been used against them so successfully, if the right didn't have an atrocious record regarding race?


I have seen, on many occasions, where the race card was invalidly used in an argument.
It was purely a power play to stifle/scuttle free discussion because that side was losing a debate.
All it did was destroy their credibility.
It is embarrassing to the dummies people who use it that way.
Not many do that these days, for obvious reasons. 8)



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27 Sep 2021, 9:57 pm

Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Pepe wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
This is where white fragility comes in, when racism is pointed out, instead of learning about it, they get defensive and act like they have been attacked and insulted and bullied.


The way Isabella, Slyfox and I were attacked and bullied, you mean?


It's a common tactic - It's "white fragility" (or you're an "Uncle T**", "white-aligned", etc) if you don't agree with what is claimed as being the "right" opinion - To people who use (or condone) such terms, the only possible reason for others not subscribing to the "right" opinion is that they are "racist", "race traitors", etc. with no consideration given to the possibility that their "right" opinion may not actually be "right" (or appropriate), or that others may have better\more relevent\more informed opinions\views on the subject than their own.


The use of the race card strategy to silence discussion was (an is if still used) cheap and degrading to both the people it was used against and the people who used it.
It is anti-intellectual and a haven for those who lack the intellectual capacity to formulate a good defence of their position.

Brictoria wrote:
These are simply bullying tactics designed to force compliance with the "right" opinion through the use of shaming techniques. Rather than providing valid reasoning to support what they wish to have believed and seeking to reach a mutual understanding through conversation, they instead seek to avoid having their opinion subjected to any form of scrutiny or critisism: Only a weak opinion\belief\theory needs to be sheltered from critisism\scrutiny - A strong one can stand on it's own.


You can say that again, sister. :mrgreen:

The saying:
"If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen", comes to mind. 8)


Perhaps the right should be asking why the so called race card has been used against them so successfully, if the right didn't have an atrocious record regarding race?


I have seen, on many occasions, where the race card was invalidly used in an argument.
It was purely a power play to stifle/scuttle free discussion because that side was losing a debate.
All it did was destroy their credibility.
It is embarrassing to the dummies people who use it that way.
Not many do that these days, for obvious reasons. 8)


And yet there have been plenty of times when racial discrimination has been legitimately called out. And it's always been the right that's been guilty of perpetrating it. Voter suppression definitely has a racial dimension, even though the right denies it up and down. Rolling back civil rights protections can't be seen as anything but racist.


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27 Sep 2021, 9:58 pm

meanwhile the righties block their ears and eyes and say NYAH NYAH NYAHNYAH NYAH!



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27 Sep 2021, 10:04 pm

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meanwhile the righties block their ears and eyes and say NYAH NYAH NYAHNYAH NYAH!


Of course. No one likes to be called racists, even if they are.


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27 Sep 2021, 10:17 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Pepe wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
This is where white fragility comes in, when racism is pointed out, instead of learning about it, they get defensive and act like they have been attacked and insulted and bullied.


The way Isabella, Slyfox and I were attacked and bullied, you mean?


It's a common tactic - It's "white fragility" (or you're an "Uncle T**", "white-aligned", etc) if you don't agree with what is claimed as being the "right" opinion - To people who use (or condone) such terms, the only possible reason for others not subscribing to the "right" opinion is that they are "racist", "race traitors", etc. with no consideration given to the possibility that their "right" opinion may not actually be "right" (or appropriate), or that others may have better\more relevent\more informed opinions\views on the subject than their own.


The use of the race card strategy to silence discussion was (an is if still used) cheap and degrading to both the people it was used against and the people who used it.
It is anti-intellectual and a haven for those who lack the intellectual capacity to formulate a good defence of their position.

Brictoria wrote:
These are simply bullying tactics designed to force compliance with the "right" opinion through the use of shaming techniques. Rather than providing valid reasoning to support what they wish to have believed and seeking to reach a mutual understanding through conversation, they instead seek to avoid having their opinion subjected to any form of scrutiny or critisism: Only a weak opinion\belief\theory needs to be sheltered from critisism\scrutiny - A strong one can stand on it's own.


You can say that again, sister. :mrgreen:

The saying:
"If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen", comes to mind. 8)


Perhaps the right should be asking why the so called race card has been used against them so successfully, if the right didn't have an atrocious record regarding race?


I have seen, on many occasions, where the race card was invalidly used in an argument.
It was purely a power play to stifle/scuttle free discussion because that side was losing a debate.
All it did was destroy their credibility.
It is embarrassing to the dummies people who use it that way.
Not many do that these days, for obvious reasons. 8)


And yet there have been plenty of times when racial discrimination has been legitimately called out. And it's always been the right that's been guilty of perpetrating it. Voter suppression definitely has a racial dimension, even though the right denies it up and down. Rolling back civil rights protections can't be seen as anything but racist.


Incorrect.
I have come across examples of racial discrimination from the left.

There are many examples of job advertisements discriminating against whities, btw.
The difference is, when the progressive side of politics does it, it is OK.



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27 Sep 2021, 10:19 pm

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meanwhile the righties block their ears and eyes and say NYAH NYAH NYAHNYAH NYAH!


Of course. No one likes to be called racists, even if they are.

so few that are not dissocially denying to outsiders, so few willing to own it in front of god and everybody.



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27 Sep 2021, 10:19 pm

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meanwhile the hyperpartisan righties & lefties block their ears and eyes and say NYAH NYAH NYAHNYAH NYAH!


Fixed it. 8)



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27 Sep 2021, 10:21 pm

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meanwhile the righties block their ears and eyes and say NYAH NYAH NYAHNYAH NYAH!


Of course. No one likes to be called racists, even if they are.


Especially those on the left side of politics.



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27 Sep 2021, 10:24 pm

auntblabby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
meanwhile the righties block their ears and eyes and say NYAH NYAH NYAHNYAH NYAH!


Of course. No one likes to be called racists, even if they are.

so few that are not dissocially denying to outsiders, so few willing to own it in front of god and everybody.


Virtually everyone is racist tribalist.
There is also "classism", as an example.
It is part of our genetic coding as a result of the evolutionary process. 8)



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27 Sep 2021, 10:34 pm

Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Pepe wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
This is where white fragility comes in, when racism is pointed out, instead of learning about it, they get defensive and act like they have been attacked and insulted and bullied.


The way Isabella, Slyfox and I were attacked and bullied, you mean?


It's a common tactic - It's "white fragility" (or you're an "Uncle T**", "white-aligned", etc) if you don't agree with what is claimed as being the "right" opinion - To people who use (or condone) such terms, the only possible reason for others not subscribing to the "right" opinion is that they are "racist", "race traitors", etc. with no consideration given to the possibility that their "right" opinion may not actually be "right" (or appropriate), or that others may have better\more relevent\more informed opinions\views on the subject than their own.


The use of the race card strategy to silence discussion was (an is if still used) cheap and degrading to both the people it was used against and the people who used it.
It is anti-intellectual and a haven for those who lack the intellectual capacity to formulate a good defence of their position.

Brictoria wrote:
These are simply bullying tactics designed to force compliance with the "right" opinion through the use of shaming techniques. Rather than providing valid reasoning to support what they wish to have believed and seeking to reach a mutual understanding through conversation, they instead seek to avoid having their opinion subjected to any form of scrutiny or critisism: Only a weak opinion\belief\theory needs to be sheltered from critisism\scrutiny - A strong one can stand on it's own.


You can say that again, sister. :mrgreen:

The saying:
"If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen", comes to mind. 8)


Perhaps the right should be asking why the so called race card has been used against them so successfully, if the right didn't have an atrocious record regarding race?


I have seen, on many occasions, where the race card was invalidly used in an argument.
It was purely a power play to stifle/scuttle free discussion because that side was losing a debate.
All it did was destroy their credibility.
It is embarrassing to the dummies people who use it that way.
Not many do that these days, for obvious reasons. 8)


And yet there have been plenty of times when racial discrimination has been legitimately called out. And it's always been the right that's been guilty of perpetrating it. Voter suppression definitely has a racial dimension, even though the right denies it up and down. Rolling back civil rights protections can't be seen as anything but racist.


Incorrect.
I have come across examples of racial discrimination from the left.

There are many examples of job advertisements discriminating against whities, btw.
The difference is, when the progressive side of politics does it, it is OK.


And yet the vast majority of jobs go to whites. So, there's an attempt to hire people of color, who have far too often gotten the short end of the stick when it comes to employment. I hardly think droves of whites are left without employment because of such occasional policies.


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