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01 Sep 2021, 2:17 am

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The author William Pierce was a physics PhD and used technical jargon and coded language throughout the book to make his writing look "sophisticated" and like some type of secret manifesto. In reality it's a boring read.

I'm not supporting that novel at all. But I don't recall it being overtly technical, nor overly concerned with Hitler and WW2. Perhaps you've read it more recently or own a copy. I'm not saying you're wrong. It's been a long time since I read it. But looking at the people who were "inspired" by The Turner Diaries, do you really think it would appeal to them if it was a boring read with technical jargon, code words, and esoteric crap?

This is a serious question. My one read-through reminded me very much of The Iron Heel. Neither novel was overly complicated to follow. I don't think a novel that's super verbose or pedantic could ever be that inspirational to anyone.

So either I don't remember the novel well enough, or you haven't read it.


I've read it and I've read reviews of it. The "great one" can only be Hitler (nobody else). Many of the avid followers of the book (whatever their reasoning) are particularly driven by zeal (as mentioned McVeigh carried pages of the book in his pockets so he had a certain religious zeal not unlike a islamic terrorist who would have memorised the Quran.)

Therefore If other people can work out the nazi foundations of the book I am sure Tarrent, McVeigh and others did too.



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01 Sep 2021, 3:10 am

^^It's been a decade and a half since I read it. You may be right, perhaps they referenced Hitler as "The Great One." I don't remember. What I do remember is that the overall focus wasn't on Hitler or Nazi Germany, and the main character was very much US-centric. The book may have taken place in the not-too-distant future (just like the Iron Heel). But it was a commentary on its time: 70s/80s USA. Truthfully, I don't remember much technical jargon.

What I remember best is that the author basically copied Jack London's The Iron Heel, replacing early 20th century socialism with mid/late 20th century white supremacism. Both books were fairly easy reads, regardless of the message or content. Nothing overly technical, or esoteric, or jargon-like, or pedantic in either novel. Not much symbolism. Very straight-forward stuff.

Doesn't mean I agree with the message of either novel; but I do believe in accuracy in reporting. And it's subjective. Maybe different readers have different take-aways. But as someone who actually read it, I feel you're overplaying the jargon/technical/esoteric angle of the Turner Diaries. It was very straight-forward...just like the Iron Heel which it copied.



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01 Sep 2021, 7:06 am

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^^It's been a decade and a half since I read it. You may be right, perhaps they referenced Hitler as "The Great One." I don't remember. What I do remember is that the overall focus wasn't on Hitler or Nazi Germany, and the main character was very much US-centric. The book may have taken place in the not-too-distant future (just like the Iron Heel). But it was a commentary on its time: 70s/80s USA. Truthfully, I don't remember much technical jargon.

What I remember best is that the author basically copied Jack London's The Iron Heel, replacing early 20th century socialism with mid/late 20th century white supremacism. Both books were fairly easy reads, regardless of the message or content. Nothing overly technical, or esoteric, or jargon-like, or pedantic in either novel. Not much symbolism. Very straight-forward stuff.

Doesn't mean I agree with the message of either novel; but I do believe in accuracy in reporting. And it's subjective. Maybe different readers have different take-aways. But as someone who actually read it, I feel you're overplaying the jargon/technical/esoteric angle of the Turner Diaries. It was very straight-forward...just like the Iron Heel which it copied.


Pierce dips into the well and draws on (among other things) DW Giffith's "Birth of a Nation". There is a lot graphic rape throughout the book involving black men raping white women. The meme is easily planted into the minds of angry white men who are already predisposed to far right philosophies before they pick up this (dangerous) book.

But against this backdrop that's dystopian view of America, there's the "cunning and devious" Jew pulling the strings, antisemitism is front and central to the book, coupled with the genocide fantasies that Pierce is so eager to express it fits into the Nazi ideology like hand in a glove.



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02 Sep 2021, 3:13 am

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But against this backdrop that's dystopian view of America, there's the "cunning and devious" Jew pulling the strings, antisemitism is front and central to the book, coupled with the genocide fantasies that Pierce is so eager to express...

Yes, this is the most accurate description you've given. Agreed. This is what I remember as the main take-away of the Turner Diaries.