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27 Aug 2021, 8:14 am

Leader of ‘Atomwaffen’ conspiracy sentenced to 3 years in prison for threatening journalists and advocates - Department of Justice U.S. Attorney’s Office Western District of Washington

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Cameron Shea, 25, a leader of the neo-Nazi group Atomwaffen Division, was sentenced today in the United States District Court for the Western District of Washington to 3 years in prison for federal conspiracy and hate crime charges for threatening journalists and advocates who worked to expose anti-Semitism, announced Acting U.S. Attorney Tessa M. Gorman. At the sentencing hearing, U.S. District Judge John C. Coughenour said, “This conduct cannot be tolerated. This kind of conduct has consequences… It is so serious that it requires a serious sentence.”

Shea pleaded guilty in April 2021, to one count of conspiring to commit three offenses against the United States: interference with federally protected activities because of religion; mailing threatening communications; and cyberstalking. He also pleaded guilty to one count of interfering with a federally protected activity because of religion.

Shea and three co-defendants were charged with conspiring via an encrypted online chat group to identify journalists and advocates they wanted to threaten in retaliation for the victims’ work exposing anti-Semitism. The group focused primarily on those who are Jewish or journalists of color. The group created posters, which featured Nazi symbols, masked figures with guns and Molotov cocktails, and threatening messages, to deliver or mail to the journalists or advocates the group targeted. Shea messaged the group that he wanted Atomwaffen members in different locations to place posters on their victims’ homes on the same night to catch journalists off guard and accomplish a “show of force.” The posters were delivered to victims in Tampa, Seattle and Phoenix. Shea mailed posters to several victims, including a poster sent to an official at the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) that depicted a Grim Reaper-like figure wearing a skeleton mask holding a Molotov cocktail outside a residence, with the text “Our Patience Has Its Limits . . . You have been visited by your local Nazis.”

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28 Aug 2021, 4:46 am

Careful AS. The last person who posted a thread like this was accused of breaching WP rules :roll:

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28 Aug 2021, 4:59 am

cyberdad wrote:

Careful AS. The last person who posted a thread like this was accused of breaching WP rules :roll:

The OP of that thread posted a link to a neo-Nazi group and said {redacted}. He later had that redacted. The problem with that thread wasn't that "right wing" folks defended neo-nazis or got triggered by a word; rather it was the OP's implication that all on the right politically automatically support neo-Nazis.

Several people responded in support of that thread's OP and feigned ignorance about his posting..."I didn't see the OP use the word nazi..." or "It's not people who are right wing, it's specifically WP right-wing who support neo-nazis."

At least tell the truth when reporting.

...By the way, the correct term is indeed neo-nazi to define these groups inspired by or who identify with elements or philosophies of Nazi Germany. Hang-up's aside, the historic Nazi party no longer exists. The few remaining bona fide former nazis are rather old these days.

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28 Aug 2021, 7:14 am

It's not the paraphernalia or even the homage they pay to the "old Nazis" that bothers me (I'm sure there are plenty out there who keep their admiration private and we are none the wiser).

It's their threat toward innocent civilians.

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28 Aug 2021, 8:40 pm

I think the narrative being spun is that McVeigh was a lone wolf and not affiliated with right wingers or Nazis, The problem was that when he was captured he was actually carrying pages of the Turner diaries that pertained to carrying out bombing of federal buildings to start a race war. The Turner diaries uses coded language to refer to Hitler and blames the jews for running "the system" that oppresses the white Aryan race.

Mass shooters Ander brevik and Brendan Tarrent also had copies of the Turner diaries.

All the necessary ingredients you need for the next mass killer.

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29 Aug 2021, 12:52 am

cyberdad wrote:

The Turner diaries uses coded language to refer to Hitler and blames the jews for running "the system" that oppresses the white Aryan race.

Again, if you're gonna report on something, get the facts straight.

The Turner Diaries doesn't mention Hitler or WW2, but it's pretty overt in its open hatred of Jews and white supremacy. No coded language needed. Local library used to have copy, read it about 15 years ago. I don't condone it. However, it's essentially a white power version of The Iron Heel by Jack London. That novel was promoting socialism (written before the Russian Revolution); in it, an underground socialist movement overthrows an ever-growing corrupt capitalist establishment and sets up a socialist USA by means of violence. I don't condone that novel either. So, The Iron Heel is a progressive version of what idealists thought socialism could be in the early 20th century. The Turner Diaries is flat out about white supremacist groups taking over the USA of the 1970s.

Both are written in diacritic style, both diaries took place around the time they were written, but both had a fictional editor/archivist from the distant future adding footnotes. In the Iron Heel, the narrator was the girlfriend of one of the revolutionaries. Turner Diaries was narrated by one of the revolutionaries.

IIRC, both books have an aftermath written by the future editor, archivist. In both, their "heroes" plight ultimately leads to victory after decades of warfare. And in both, I believe, the calendar years have been renumbered, with the year the revolution broke out being year 1.

I'm surprised Jack London's estate didn't sue the author of the Turner Diaries, though I think the Iron Heel had fallen into public domain because it was published before 1922 (?).

Anyhow, neither of those novels used any secret code. Both were very overt and straight-forward.

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29 Aug 2021, 3:23 am

Was trying to avoid mentioning details due to unnecessarily popularising/free publicity for the book.

The author William Pierce was a physics PhD and used technical jargon and coded language throughout the book to make his writing look "sophisticated" and like some type of secret manifesto. In reality it's a boring read.

Pierce refers to the "great one" in the book, described as histories greatest luminaries born in 1889 (Hitler's year of birth) and makes constant holocaust apologetics and frames WWII as a conflict between white aryans and the jews. I dont know how intelligent Tarrent, Brevik or McVeigh were but they couldn't have been so dumb as not to reaslise the great one (or the all father) was Hitler.

He also used a pseudonym to hide his identity so even back in 1978 when he published it he was worried about the backlash. His attempts to hide his intentions are actually pretty unsophisticated and he contradicts himself throughout the book, yet its the most popular right wing manifesto in the western world.

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29 Aug 2021, 3:31 am

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He also used a pseudonym to hide his identity so even back in 1978 when he published it he was worried about the backlash. His attempts to hide his intentions are actually pretty unsophisticated and he contradicts himself throughout the book, yet its the most popular right wing manifesto in the western world.

By the highest estimate, there are 500,000 copies of The Turner Diaries in print; Atlas Shrugged often sells that many copies in a single year today.

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29 Aug 2021, 3:41 am

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cyberdad wrote:

By the highest estimate, there are 500,000 copies of The Turner Diaries in print; Atlas Shrugged often sells that many copies in a single year today.

In all fairness, it's who buys The Turner Diaries that actually counts.

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29 Aug 2021, 4:07 am

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cyberdad wrote:

By the highest estimate, there are 500,000 copies of The Turner Diaries in print; Atlas Shrugged often sells that many copies in a single year today.

You think the average reader goes into a bookstore with cash and asks for a hardback copy of the Turner diaries :lol:

The book has been digitised and there's literally hundreds of thousands if not millions of copies circulating on the internet and dark web,

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29 Aug 2021, 4:38 am

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In all fairness, it's who buys The Turner Diaries that actually counts.

True, but claiming that it's the most popular conservative manifesto in the Western world is objectively untrue in a world where Atlas Shrugged exists. It's also available from unconventional sources, but even just in words on paper form it's a mega bestseller, it usually ranks #2 behind the bible as the most influential book every written.

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29 Aug 2021, 5:13 am

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In all fairness, it's who buys The Turner Diaries that actually counts.

I didn't say normal conservatives purchased The Turner Diaries; rather, hateful lunatics.

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29 Aug 2021, 6:33 am

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Some posts and those referencing them have been removed. This is in addition to the earlier removal of commentary, apparently intended as bait.

Making disparaging assertions about what the "WP right" may or may not do are generalised personal attacks on a subset of WP members and an attempt at baiting to gain a response.

All respondents on this thread have been here long enough to know that this is not permitted.
Any further instances will result in the thread being locked - if you won't behave, your toys will be taken away.

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29 Aug 2021, 6:58 am

Even most conservatives don’t believe the dystopia of the “Turner Diaries” is actually realistic.

Unfortunately, many white supremacist, neo-Nazi type organizations use it as a sort of “guide.”

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30 Aug 2021, 4:32 am

cyberdad wrote:

The author William Pierce was a physics PhD and used technical jargon and coded language throughout the book to make his writing look "sophisticated" and like some type of secret manifesto. In reality it's a boring read.

I'm not supporting that novel at all. But I don't recall it being overtly technical, nor overly concerned with Hitler and WW2. Perhaps you've read it more recently or own a copy. I'm not saying you're wrong. It's been a long time since I read it. But looking at the people who were "inspired" by The Turner Diaries, do you really think it would appeal to them if it was a boring read with technical jargon, code words, and esoteric crap?

This is a serious question. My one read-through reminded me very much of The Iron Heel. Neither novel was overly complicated to follow. I don't think a novel that's super verbose or pedantic could ever be that inspirational to anyone.

So either I don't remember the novel well enough, or you haven't read it.

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30 Aug 2021, 7:48 am

"The Turner Diaries" was a dystopia. That's obvious.

I don't know the author's intentions or his political beliefs.

Orwell wrote "1984." He certainly didn't believe in what he wrote.

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