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14 Sep 2021, 1:31 am

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And Americans talk about how they are all about fairness and tolerance of others, yet both sides cannot tolerate each other at all.


"Hypocrisy" seems to be universally in fashion, these days. 8)



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14 Sep 2021, 1:42 am

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all strumpy hadda do is throw the working class a bone. but he never did any such thing yet still so many of them loved the devil out of the SOB. a mystery, almost masochistic IMHO.

He ended the ACA mandate that targeted poor people who could not afford health insurance.


Yes and I agreed with that. IMO Obama is a prime example of the wrong kind of Democrat namely a Socialist Progressive pretending to be one. The ACA wasn't affordable care, just a mandate to have health insurance.

everybody conveniently leaves out the generous subsidies for those with limited income. when i qualified i paid less than $50/month for a basic plan that would have cost me over 4 figures on the private market. in fact, somebody with my health issues would not have been sold a plan for any price even if i could have afforded such.


Back in the 80s my family had no insurance, and I know we could never have afforded Obamacare. We would have just lost my father's refund every year too. I don't believe in taxation or fines for the purpose of social engineering or forcing people to do things your way. Also there are people who don't believe in modern medicine and this forces them to pay for it.

so as far as you're concerned, i can just die then. fine. :|


The American health system is crap, yes.



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14 Sep 2021, 1:44 am

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Once people really travel, people realize what a great country the United States actually is.

I love other countries, love other cultures.

But the United States is getting a bad rap from other countries because of how they handled their foreign policy recently. And deservedly so.

But, if people really get around and actually meet people from all over the United States, they will realize it is not what the media paints our country to be.

I know, in New York, the cops go crazy whenever it is found that somebody has an illegal gun in his/her possession. They take guns very seriously there.

I am glad that I DO live in America!



I've definitely met and interacted with WAY MORE really REALLY good Americans on my travels throughout America than bad ones of any sort, that's for sure. I've been all over the Western 3rd or so of the USA all the way down to the Mexican border.

But, like anywhere, we've run into bad people, criminals, and just outright ignorant people.. like when I was a kid in Sandpoint Idaho, and the kids there were shocked to hear we were from Canada.. dressed in regular clothes, drove a regular minivan, lived in a house complete with electricity etc :lol: They're taught to believe that once you cross the border it's a barren frozen tundra full of polar bears and igloos. :lol:


That's BS. Americans know full well that Canada is pretty much just like the US.



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14 Sep 2021, 1:53 am

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all strumpy hadda do is throw the working class a bone. but he never did any such thing yet still so many of them loved the devil out of the SOB. a mystery, almost masochistic IMHO.

He ended the ACA mandate that targeted poor people who could not afford health insurance.


Yes and I agreed with that. IMO Obama is a prime example of the wrong kind of Democrat namely a Socialist Progressive pretending to be one. The ACA wasn't affordable care, just a mandate to have health insurance.

everybody conveniently leaves out the generous subsidies for those with limited income. when i qualified i paid less than $50/month for a basic plan that would have cost me over 4 figures on the private market. in fact, somebody with my health issues would not have been sold a plan for any price even if i could have afforded such.


Back in the 80s my family had no insurance, and I know we could never have afforded Obamacare. We would have just lost my father's refund every year too. I don't believe in taxation or fines for the purpose of social engineering or forcing people to do things your way. Also there are people who don't believe in modern medicine and this forces them to pay for it.

so as far as you're concerned, i can just die then. fine. :|


That's not what I said. Fact is Obamacare didn't work for a lot of people.



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14 Sep 2021, 2:00 am

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But even if that's the case, why can't a person still have their own politics and why do so many feel they have to subscribe to one or the other?

as i said, because one party does not help me or anybody i know, and that unhelpful [at best] party is the GOP.



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14 Sep 2021, 2:07 am

But does a person saying their a democrat really mean they get more help though? It's like the democrats have special member cards that gets them more help, compared to republicans, do they? For example if you go into a hospistal, they are not going to say "oh you're democrat, will give you a really huge discount. Unless I am missing something?



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14 Sep 2021, 2:38 am

The United States isn't the only country to have the whole economic inequality establishment run politics. Many other countries are like that to with countries like the UK and Russia being perfect examples of having similar establishment run politics. Despite all the shootings the United States has it is a very safe country and states like New Hampshire and Maine are the safest (look at total homicides not just gun homicides) despite having extremely lax gun laws. A lot of times in Europe they use something deadlier than a gun to carry attacks, just look at the November 2015 Paris attacks where they used bombs.



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14 Sep 2021, 2:40 am

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But does a person saying their a democrat really mean they get more help though? It's like the democrats have special member cards that gets them more help, compared to republicans, do they? For example if you go into a hospistal, they are not going to say "oh you're democrat, will give you a really huge discount. Unless I am missing something?

the democrats finally were able to overcome reactionary right-wing opposition to extending affordable health care to the working class for the first time ever. that was a big achievement. the GOP doesn't want pofolk to have health care PERIOD.



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14 Sep 2021, 2:41 am

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But if I have beliefs from both sides, how would either side classify me then?


Depends on which beliefs; I'm still of the opinion that the American political right is more tolerant of heterodox beliefs than the political left in this country, but there are definitely exceptions, immigration hawks can be pretty "with us or against us", for example. Still nothing like the circular firing squads on the left, they can't even joke amongst themselves because they never know what seemingly insane belief will have always been orthodoxy tomorrow, with the associated retroactive cancellation for having violated the previously unknown taboo that everyone now pretends to have always believed in.

My experience with the right is that you can disagree with them on just about everything so long as you occasionally make fun of the liberals and generally vote Republican and you'll get along fine, where as with the liberals you can agree with them about literally everything and vote straight Democrat and still get called out because you used the wrong term (they changed it yesterday but claim it's always been the new thing) or they dug up something you said a few years ago that was fine at the time but is now "problematic". The funny thing with the liberals is that no one is driving the bus, even they don't know where it's going and what's going to be unacceptable tomorrow, which is partly why they've become the party of humorless scolds, they're terrified of their own people turning on them and so are trying to obey a set of rules that haven't even been written yet.


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14 Sep 2021, 2:43 am

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the democrats finally were able to overcome reactionary right-wing opposition to extending affordable health care to the working class for the first time ever. that was a big achievement. the GOP doesn't want pofolk to have health care PERIOD.


Isn't ObamaCare literally modeled on RomneyCare, which itself came from a Heritage Foundation scheme? Sound like the GOP wanted people to have healthcare, they just didn't want a Democrat to get credit for it.


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14 Sep 2021, 2:58 am

Personally if I had to move to another country it would be Australia, Canada, New Zealand and maybe Argentina or Chile.



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14 Sep 2021, 7:10 am

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Personally if I had to move to another country it would be Australia, Canada, New Zealand and maybe Argentina or Chile.


Don't come to Australia or New Zealand.
China is a serious threat to Australia's existence.
And I am not joking.
Military strategists here believe we could be in a kinetic war with China within 5 years especially if there is one between them and America.
We will be collateral damage.



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14 Sep 2021, 7:26 am

I wish we could just move the the country that suits what we think is the way of life.



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14 Sep 2021, 9:03 am

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I wish we could just move the the country that suits what we think is the way of life.


Life is pretty tough for overwhelmingly most people, no matter where they live.
When I am gone, I'm not coming back. :mrgreen:



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14 Sep 2021, 9:25 am

auntblabby wrote:
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But does a person saying their a democrat really mean they get more help though? It's like the democrats have special member cards that gets them more help, compared to republicans, do they? For example if you go into a hospistal, they are not going to say "oh you're democrat, will give you a really huge discount. Unless I am missing something?

the democrats finally were able to overcome reactionary right-wing opposition to extending affordable health care to the working class for the first time ever. that was a big achievement. the GOP doesn't want pofolk to have health care PERIOD.


But doesn't the GOP want health care for themselves too, or they just do not care about their own health for some reason?



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14 Sep 2021, 10:06 am

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The United States isn't the only country to have the whole economic inequality establishment run politics. Many other countries are like that to with countries like the UK and Russia being perfect examples of having similar establishment run politics. Despite all the shootings the United States has it is a very safe country and states like New Hampshire and Maine are the safest (look at total homicides not just gun homicides) despite having extremely lax gun laws. A lot of times in Europe they use something deadlier than a gun to carry attacks, just look at the November 2015 Paris attacks where they used bombs.


Thank you sir.