I found something interesting about the covid vaccine

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Kitty4670
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02 Sep 2021, 7:45 pm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Chossudovsky

That's A Conspiracy Theory Website, Proven Fraudulent...

It's Extremely Dangerous to Spread False Information

About Life Saving Vaccines; Not Suggesting You are, Yet That Website is....


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03 Sep 2021, 10:16 am

Joseph Mercola (the author of the Global Research article cited by Kitty4670 above) is a frighteningly popular alternative medicine guru and cult leader.  He advocates and takes seriously any idiotic crackpot or anti-science idea he comes across, including but not limited to flu-denialism and anti-vaxx.

His website contains most branches of pseudoscience, all major sorts of crankery, every logical fallacy ever committed by man, dishonesties, and smearing.  He claims to be uninterested in profit, but makes a lot of it from selling all sorts of BS remedies at a steep price.  His trust in the naturalistic fallacy suppresses any real science or scientific evidence he may come across.  His dietary advice adds random assertions to the naturalistic fallacy, and is in conflict with any advice given by serious organizations.  He also -- obviously -- peddles homeopathy.

Despite his denialism and anti-science stance (or because of it) Mercola has many supporters, especially among the delusional, the paranoid (whose distrust of government is so entrenched that they trust the word of any non-government-affiliated crackpot), New Agers (who are generally both), and other critical-thinking-challenged groups.  He has even attempted to pander to the religious.  He is pretty good at following the fads and exploiting current trends and fears.

Mercola is an addle-brained and chronically misguided woo-meister.  He is severely dangerous, however, insofar as he has managed to gather a frighteningly substantial herd of followers.


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 This Encyclopedia of American Loons Article 


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03 Sep 2021, 10:54 am

Here's something interesting about the covid vaccine. My colleague has 43 clients. All but four people have gotten the vaccine.

Of the four who rejected the vaccine, two are dead. :skull:
This is just in the last two weeks.

Nobody who got the vaccine has gotten sick.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, mister Conspiracy man. 8O


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03 Sep 2021, 10:59 am

The covid pandemic is not being called the "Plague of the Unvaccinated" for nothing.


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03 Sep 2021, 11:56 am

The over-50s are more likely to die for any number of reasons, period. It's called "old age".
To try and use this to show a failure of vaccines is disingenuous at best.

The number of admissions and deaths in the unvaccinated under-50s shows why it's being called a pandemic of the unvaccinated.


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03 Sep 2021, 11:59 am

^ Thanks for the clarification.

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03 Sep 2021, 12:41 pm

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2112981

In December 2020, the University of California San Diego Health (UCSDH) workforce experienced a dramatic increase in severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infections. Vaccination with mRNA vaccines began in mid-December 2020; by March, 76% of the workforce had been fully vaccinated, and by July, the percentage had risen to 87%. Infections had decreased dramatically by early February 2021.1 Between March and June, fewer than 30 health care workers tested positive each month. However, coincident with the end of California’s mask mandate on June 15 and the rapid dominance of the B.1.617.2 (delta) variant that first emerged in mid-April and accounted for over 95% of UCSDH isolates by the end of July (Figure 1), infections increased rapidly, including cases among fully vaccinated persons. Institutional review board approval was obtained for use of administrative data on vaccinations and case-investigation data to examine mRNA SARS CoV-2 vaccine effectiveness.

UCSDH has a low threshold for SARS-CoV-2 testing, which is triggered by the presence of at least one symptom during daily screening or by an identified exposure, regardless of vaccination status. From March 1 to July 31, 2021, a total of 227 UCSDH health care workers tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 by reverse-transcriptase–quantitative polymerase-chain-reaction (RT-qPCR) assay of nasal swabs; 130 of the 227 workers (57.3%) were fully vaccinated. Symptoms were present in 109 of the 130 fully vaccinated workers (83.8%) and in 80 of the 90 unvaccinated workers (88.9%).

More interesting reading. Putting aside everything else about the vaccine debate, the length of time the "immunity" lasts might be lower than first thought advertised - weeks instead of years. I imagine this sort of data is why the media is priming us for tri-annual boosters.


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03 Sep 2021, 12:52 pm

^ Heck, I was inquiring about "boosters" before the original vaccines were even released!  I learned in grade school that some vaccines need a "booster" now and then, and I anticipate the need for a twice-yearly covid-related "booster" for several years to come.

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03 Sep 2021, 2:38 pm

Anything that doesn't fit the narrative from the government that continually lies to us, is a "Conspiracy Theory"



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03 Sep 2021, 3:47 pm

Mr Reynholm wrote:
Anything that doesn't fit the narrative from the government that continually lies to us, is a "Conspiracy Theory"
You should check out  This Article , especially the final paragraph...
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... The fact that politicians sometimes lie or that corporations occasionally cheat does not mean that every event is the result of a tortuous conspiracy. Most of the time stuff just happens, and our brains connect the dots into meaningful patterns -- a process called pareidolia.


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03 Sep 2021, 4:42 pm

Cornflake wrote:
The over-50s are more likely to die for any number of reasons, period. It's called "old age".
To try and use this to show a failure of vaccines is disingenuous at best.

The number of admissions and deaths in the unvaccinated under-50s shows why it's being called a pandemic of the unvaccinated.


Our clients were under 50. One was in very good health; the other not so much. Both spent weeks on a vent in the ICU before life support was removed, tying up two ICU beds that could have been used by others.


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03 Sep 2021, 6:31 pm

The claims in the article directly contradict what I know from locals who are doctors. The article cannot be trusted.


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03 Sep 2021, 7:52 pm

Mr Reynholm wrote:
Anything that doesn't fit the narrative from the government that continually lies to us, is a "Conspiracy Theory"


Especially if that anti-government talk is crapola.


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04 Sep 2021, 12:20 am

Food, pharmaceutical and political systems generally as a rule have absolutely nothing to do with public health whatsoever. A healthy person is not a profitable person. It doesn't matter what puppet master you vote for, nothing will change to protect the sickness for profit model we currently have worldwide. Don't let the mainstream media do your thinking for you. Try and see if you can figure out what's going on behind the cover stories on the mainstream news. I double dare you. These are reputable sources I've cited are they not?



''FDA approves first covid-19 vaccine approval signifies key achievement for public health. FDA approved vaccines undergo the agency’s STANDARD PROCESS ( standard (corrupt) process being the key word hear) for reviewing the quality, safety and effectiveness of medical products.''

source:
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-a ... 19-vaccine

Hidden conflicts? Pharma payments to FDA advisers after drug approvals spark ethical concerns
https://www.science.org/news/2018/07/hi ... rk-ethical

FDA Repays Industry by Rushing Risky Drugs to Market
https://www.propublica.org/article/fda- ... -to-market

The Biopharmaceutical Industry Provides 75% Of The FDA's Drug Review Budget. Is This A Problem?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnlamatt ... 7e36949ec8

Pfizer is expanding its recall of anti-smoking drug Chantix after testing found high levels of carcinogenic material in the pill. The leading prescription for smoking secession, Chantix is prescribed to over half a million people each year and accounts for $1.1 BILLION in revenue for Pfizer each year. Guess which company has sold the most COVID-19 shots?

''There's a lot of money to be made from telling healthy people they're sick. Some forms of medicalising ordinary life may now be better described as disease mongering: widening the boundaries of treatable illness in order to expand markets for those who sell and deliver treatments. Pharmaceutical companies are actively involved in sponsoring the definition of diseases and promoting them to both prescribers and consumers. The social construction of illness is being replaced by the corporate construction of disease.

Whereas some aspects of medicalisation are the subject of ongoing debate, the mechanics of corporate backed disease mongering, and its impact on public consciousness, medical practice, human health, and national budgets, have attracted limited critical scrutiny.''

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Selling sickness: the pharmaceutical industry and disease mongering
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1122833/


Chemical Pesticides and Human Health: The Urgent Need for a New Concept in Agriculture
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4947579/


“Big Food” Is Making America Sick
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5020160/


''Unfortunately, just like an expensive car, your brain can be damaged if you ingest anything other than premium fuel. If substances from "low-premium" fuel (such as what you get from processed or refined foods) get to the brain, it has little ability to get rid of them. Diets high in refined sugars, for example, are harmful to the brain. In addition to worsening your body’s regulation of insulin, they also promote inflammation and oxidative stress. Multiple studies have found a correlation between a diet high in refined sugars and impaired brain function and even a worsening of symptoms of mood disorders, such as depression.''

Source:
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/nut ... 1511168626
Nutritional psychiatry: Your brain on food


''Conclusions: Food is obviously different from tobacco, and the food industry differs from tobacco companies in important ways, but there also are significant similarities in the actions that these industries have taken in response to concern that their products cause harm. Because obesity is now a major global problem, the world cannot afford a repeat of the tobacco history, in which industry talks about the moral high ground but does not occupy it.''

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2879177/
The Perils of Ignoring History: Big Tobacco Played Dirty and Millions Died. How Similar Is Big Food?

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04 Sep 2021, 2:04 am

^ Still, Chantix isn't the Covid vaccine. At least Pfizer is responsible enough to take Chantix off the shelves.
People are actually sick when they take medicine. The Pfizer vaccine is meant to keep people from being sick.


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