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09 Sep 2021, 2:13 pm

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If Satanism's core belief is that people should be responsible for their own lives and their own fate then how can they support socialists candidates or institutions which are collectivist in nature?


Who said they do? Satanists believe in survival of the fittest. Their politics are mostly Libertarian.



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09 Sep 2021, 2:29 pm

Can any actual satanist provide information of what satanists believe and how uniform or diverse their beliefs are?


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09 Sep 2021, 2:44 pm



I feel as though this song describes Modern Satanists in a nutshell. :twisted:


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09 Sep 2021, 2:55 pm

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But therein lies the problem, Collectivist governments never just leave you alone.
It seems rather offtopic remark but do you mean they don't leave you to die on the street?

No. I mean socialists tent to be totalitarian and want to control every aspect of the people's lives.



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09 Sep 2021, 3:06 pm

Axeman wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
If Satanism's core belief is that people should be responsible for their own lives and their own fate then how can they support socialists candidates or institutions which are collectivist in nature?


Who said they do? Satanists believe in survival of the fittest. Their politics are mostly Libertarian.


That is more specifically LeVayen/COS Satanists who believe in that. The article in the O.P is talking about The Satanic Temple Satanists, who certainly have a more humanistic view on things and make a point to legally challenge what is seen as religious legislation, which is how TST views anti-abortion laws.



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09 Sep 2021, 3:16 pm

Mr Reynholm wrote:
magz wrote:
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But therein lies the problem, Collectivist governments never just leave you alone.
It seems rather offtopic remark but do you mean they don't leave you to die on the street?

No. I mean socialists tent to be totalitarian and want to control every aspect of the people's lives.


You seem to be under the impression that all socialists are actually Stalinists. :?


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09 Sep 2021, 3:43 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
magz wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
But therein lies the problem, Collectivist governments never just leave you alone.
It seems rather offtopic remark but do you mean they don't leave you to die on the street?
No. I mean socialists tent to be totalitarian and want to control every aspect of the people's lives.
You seem to be under the impression that all socialists are actually Stalinists.
You seem to be under the impression that you alone can redefine political systems.



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09 Sep 2021, 3:52 pm

The main problem with some conservatives-----is that they call everybody to the left of them "socialists." Much of the time, this is dead wrong.



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09 Sep 2021, 4:22 pm

Axeman wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
If Satanism's core belief is that people should be responsible for their own lives and their own fate then how can they support socialists candidates or institutions which are collectivist in nature?


Who said they do? Satanists believe in survival of the fittest. Their politics are mostly Libertarian.


This reminded me to ask, what have Satanists said about the New World Order or one-world government? I know what the Christian side thinks on this one?



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09 Sep 2021, 4:27 pm

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America never was and never will become a Christian religious theocracy.


That's not the same as denying white Christians have ever done anything wrong, and I'd argue isn't even wrong as a statement. Putting words in other people's mouths is generally considered bad form, I'd try to avoid it.


The argument these people have is when we are talking about one side, they only go to pointing out previous actions that the other side did.



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09 Sep 2021, 4:33 pm

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I consider every baby a gift from Jesus.


I feel the same way. There's no respect for human life anymore.


I honestly have more respect for people who are center to left-wing on economic issues but more right-leaning on social and cultural ones.



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09 Sep 2021, 4:37 pm

Fnord wrote:
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If Satanism's core belief is that people should be responsible for their own lives and their own fate then how can they support socialists candidates or institutions which are collectivist in nature?
You may be thinking of Libertarians.

If I understand correctly, Satanist "doctrine" centers on self-actualization, not politics ... "It does not matter who is running the government, as long as they leave me the Hell alone!"

Maybe they are more like Anarchists ... ?


There is some overlap with Satanism and communism/socialism.



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09 Sep 2021, 4:39 pm

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If Satanism's core belief is that people should be responsible for their own lives and their own fate then how can they support socialists candidates or institutions which are collectivist in nature?


Perhaps they believe that people are entitled to work together towards common goals, even if they also believe in individualism. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

Even that doesn't require the work be owned or operated by the actual gov't.



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09 Sep 2021, 4:41 pm

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There is some overlap with Satanism and communism/socialism.


Go on... :nerdy:


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09 Sep 2021, 4:41 pm

Hollywood_Guy wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
If Satanism's core belief is that people should be responsible for their own lives and their own fate then how can they support socialists candidates or institutions which are collectivist in nature?
You may be thinking of Libertarians.

If I understand correctly, Satanist "doctrine" centers on self-actualization, not politics ... "It does not matter who is running the government, as long as they leave me the Hell alone!"

Maybe they are more like Anarchists ... ?


There is some overlap with Satanism and communism/socialism.


In most communist countries like China, North Korea, and the USSR the people live under State Atheism and the governments outlaw most religions including Satanism.


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09 Sep 2021, 4:50 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Hollywood_Guy wrote:
There is some overlap with Satanism and communism/socialism.


Go on... :nerdy:


Well so then...
"Marx Loved Satan" by Murray N. Rothbard
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/08/murray-n-rothbard/marx-loved-satan/