11 Sep 2021, 4:04 am
Brictoria wrote:
magz wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
You are correct, but I don't think that's the purpose behind this thread
Please, don't attempt to read minds. It's unhealthy.
And, in this case, the "mind reading" was incorrect...
Have you come across the theory of "confession through projection"?
No.
"Please explain."
Regards,
Pauline Pepe.
11 Sep 2021, 4:26 am
11 Sep 2021, 4:44 am
11 Sep 2021, 5:14 am
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Pepe wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
magz wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
You are correct, but I don't think that's the purpose behind this thread
Please, don't attempt to read minds. It's unhealthy.
And, in this case, the "mind reading" was incorrect...
Have you come across the theory of "confession through projection"?
No.
"Please explain."
Regards,
Pauline Pepe.
One of the better explanations I've come across:
Quote:
Can anybody give me a good psychological reason why people will 'flip' things in an argument? As in turn things around, blame you for what they're actually doing. This is very blatant and very consistent.
It’s called confession through projection. I find Carl Jung’s framing to have the most traction for understanding this. He framed us as “triune” beings.
The Self is the full, genuine and true you. Almost nobody operates at this level.
The Ego is “the dream of us”. It is who we think we are, or wish to be. But this leaves a LOT of dark stuff in us that doesn’t fit into the dream. We toss this in the dungeon of our “Dark Shadow”, where it mulls and schemes its revenge and grows stronger; perhaps coalescing with other dark things living there.
The Shadow is the trash-can of our soul. Nothing put there ever really goes away, and starts to stink if not emptied regularly. One of the tricks to try to deal with the stink that is us, is to blame the psychological fart on someone else! It is rewarding in the short-term because one convinces themselves that what stinks in the room, is someone else!
It’s called confession through projection. I find Carl Jung’s framing to have the most traction for understanding this. He framed us as “triune” beings.
The Self is the full, genuine and true you. Almost nobody operates at this level.
The Ego is “the dream of us”. It is who we think we are, or wish to be. But this leaves a LOT of dark stuff in us that doesn’t fit into the dream. We toss this in the dungeon of our “Dark Shadow”, where it mulls and schemes its revenge and grows stronger; perhaps coalescing with other dark things living there.
The Shadow is the trash-can of our soul. Nothing put there ever really goes away, and starts to stink if not emptied regularly. One of the tricks to try to deal with the stink that is us, is to blame the psychological fart on someone else! It is rewarding in the short-term because one convinces themselves that what stinks in the room, is someone else!
Source: https://www.quora.com/Can-anybody-give-me-a-good-psychological-reason-why-people-will-flip-things-in-an-argument-As-in-turn-things-around-blame-you-for-what-theyre-actually-doing-This-is-very-blatant-and-very-consistent
It aligns with psychological projection, where the person doing this is "confessing" how they feel\would act in that same\similar circumstances through projecting this attitude\behaviour\action onto another.
11 Sep 2021, 5:28 am
11 Sep 2021, 5:30 am
Brictoria wrote:
Off Topic
Pepe wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
magz wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
You are correct, but I don't think that's the purpose behind this thread
Please, don't attempt to read minds. It's unhealthy.
And, in this case, the "mind reading" was incorrect...
Have you come across the theory of "confession through projection"?
No.
"Please explain."
Regards,
Pauline Pepe.
One of the better explanations I've come across:
Quote:
Can anybody give me a good psychological reason why people will 'flip' things in an argument? As in turn things around, blame you for what they're actually doing. This is very blatant and very consistent.
It’s called confession through projection. I find Carl Jung’s framing to have the most traction for understanding this. He framed us as “triune” beings.
The Self is the full, genuine and true you. Almost nobody operates at this level.
The Ego is “the dream of us”. It is who we think we are, or wish to be. But this leaves a LOT of dark stuff in us that doesn’t fit into the dream. We toss this in the dungeon of our “Dark Shadow”, where it mulls and schemes its revenge and grows stronger; perhaps coalescing with other dark things living there.
The Shadow is the trash-can of our soul. Nothing put there ever really goes away, and starts to stink if not emptied regularly. One of the tricks to try to deal with the stink that is us, is to blame the psychological fart on someone else! It is rewarding in the short-term because one convinces themselves that what stinks in the room, is someone else!
It’s called confession through projection. I find Carl Jung’s framing to have the most traction for understanding this. He framed us as “triune” beings.
The Self is the full, genuine and true you. Almost nobody operates at this level.
The Ego is “the dream of us”. It is who we think we are, or wish to be. But this leaves a LOT of dark stuff in us that doesn’t fit into the dream. We toss this in the dungeon of our “Dark Shadow”, where it mulls and schemes its revenge and grows stronger; perhaps coalescing with other dark things living there.
The Shadow is the trash-can of our soul. Nothing put there ever really goes away, and starts to stink if not emptied regularly. One of the tricks to try to deal with the stink that is us, is to blame the psychological fart on someone else! It is rewarding in the short-term because one convinces themselves that what stinks in the room, is someone else!
Source: https://www.quora.com/Can-anybody-give-me-a-good-psychological-reason-why-people-will-flip-things-in-an-argument-As-in-turn-things-around-blame-you-for-what-theyre-actually-doing-This-is-very-blatant-and-very-consistent
It aligns with psychological projection, where the person doing this is "confessing" how they feel\would act in that same\similar circumstances through projecting this attitude\behaviour\action onto another.
You mean *unconscious* confession through projection, don't you?
Yeah, Freud had a similar model with:
Ego, superego and the ID.
And the triune theory of evolution fits in with that also.
Humans can be, and very often are viciously dangerous beasts.
You can thank the evolutionary process for that.
Thankfully, Sheldons and shunks have transcended most of the irrational emotionality.
11 Sep 2021, 5:33 am
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11 Sep 2021, 5:35 am
11 Sep 2021, 5:35 am
magz wrote:
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This might help:
11 Sep 2021, 5:42 am
11 Sep 2021, 5:50 am
Pepe wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Off Topic
Pepe wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
magz wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
You are correct, but I don't think that's the purpose behind this thread
Please, don't attempt to read minds. It's unhealthy.
And, in this case, the "mind reading" was incorrect...
Have you come across the theory of "confession through projection"?
No.
"Please explain."
Regards,
Pauline Pepe.
One of the better explanations I've come across:
Quote:
Can anybody give me a good psychological reason why people will 'flip' things in an argument? As in turn things around, blame you for what they're actually doing. This is very blatant and very consistent.
It’s called confession through projection. I find Carl Jung’s framing to have the most traction for understanding this. He framed us as “triune” beings.
The Self is the full, genuine and true you. Almost nobody operates at this level.
The Ego is “the dream of us”. It is who we think we are, or wish to be. But this leaves a LOT of dark stuff in us that doesn’t fit into the dream. We toss this in the dungeon of our “Dark Shadow”, where it mulls and schemes its revenge and grows stronger; perhaps coalescing with other dark things living there.
The Shadow is the trash-can of our soul. Nothing put there ever really goes away, and starts to stink if not emptied regularly. One of the tricks to try to deal with the stink that is us, is to blame the psychological fart on someone else! It is rewarding in the short-term because one convinces themselves that what stinks in the room, is someone else!
It’s called confession through projection. I find Carl Jung’s framing to have the most traction for understanding this. He framed us as “triune” beings.
The Self is the full, genuine and true you. Almost nobody operates at this level.
The Ego is “the dream of us”. It is who we think we are, or wish to be. But this leaves a LOT of dark stuff in us that doesn’t fit into the dream. We toss this in the dungeon of our “Dark Shadow”, where it mulls and schemes its revenge and grows stronger; perhaps coalescing with other dark things living there.
The Shadow is the trash-can of our soul. Nothing put there ever really goes away, and starts to stink if not emptied regularly. One of the tricks to try to deal with the stink that is us, is to blame the psychological fart on someone else! It is rewarding in the short-term because one convinces themselves that what stinks in the room, is someone else!
Source: https://www.quora.com/Can-anybody-give-me-a-good-psychological-reason-why-people-will-flip-things-in-an-argument-As-in-turn-things-around-blame-you-for-what-theyre-actually-doing-This-is-very-blatant-and-very-consistent
It aligns with psychological projection, where the person doing this is "confessing" how they feel\would act in that same\similar circumstances through projecting this attitude\behaviour\action onto another.
You mean *unconscious* confession through projection, don't you?
Yeah, Freud had a similar model with:
Ego, superego and the ID.
And the triune theory of evolution fits in with that also.
Humans can be, and very often are viciously dangerous beasts.
You can thank the evolutionary process for that.
Thankfully, Sheldons and shunks have transcended most of the irrational emotionality.
Yes, I'd guess that in most (if not all) instances it would be an unconscious act, as a form of "self defence" for the Ego...
11 Sep 2021, 6:02 am
Pepe wrote:
magz wrote:
People supporting authoritarianism have common psychological traits, no matter what they put on their banners.
Horseshoe theory.
Quote:
In political science and popular discourse, the horseshoe theory asserts that the far-left and the far-right, rather than being at opposite and opposing ends of a linear political continuum, closely resemble one another, analogous to the way that the opposite ends of a horseshoe are close together. Wikipedia
That.... that's a bloody brilliant metaphor.
11 Sep 2021, 6:20 am
11 Sep 2021, 7:44 am
11 Sep 2021, 8:16 am
11 Sep 2021, 9:16 am
PhosphorusDecree wrote:
Pepe wrote:
magz wrote:
People supporting authoritarianism have common psychological traits, no matter what they put on their banners.
Horseshoe theory.
Quote:
In political science and popular discourse, the horseshoe theory asserts that the far-left and the far-right, rather than being at opposite and opposing ends of a linear political continuum, closely resemble one another, analogous to the way that the opposite ends of a horseshoe are close together. Wikipedia
That.... that's a bloody brilliant metaphor.
I'm a brilliant metaphor, too.
A stinky skunk.
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