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20 Sep 2021, 11:10 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
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@Agogdhay I actually enjoy how you structure your paragraphs into beautiful patterns, they are very artistic and creative
In my opinion, they are a pain to read, and require too much effort to understand.


In my experience, they were much easier to read while I was manic. Like, they suddenly became very clear and intelligible and didn't take any additional effort to parse compared to other posters.

But since returning from that elevated state they're much more work even if earlier experience has taught me they're almost always worth trying to understand.





Fascinating Really And 'That' Probably Explains
Why The Other Very Creative Folks Who Obviously
Also Live Almost Constantly in Elevated Consciousness

Have No Problem Understanding my Writing Either Whether
They Are 17 Or Close to My Age As i Tend to Hang Around
Extremely Creative Folks Outside of this Internet Site and

Occasionally Here There are Folks Who Obviously Are Experiencing
Elevated States of Consciousness Who Understand What i am Relating
More From a State of Elevated Consciousness too Where i'm Totally in Flow

And Using So Much
More of my Subconscious
Potential in Focus as Such...

And Yeah, i'm Diagnosed
Bi-Polar Non-Specified As
i've Experienced Extreme
Depression Where All Creativity
Is Out of the Question and my
Psychiatrist Who Has Seen me
Very Creative And Always In Flow
Agrees That My Natural State of
Being is Basically Hypo-Mania...


Yet i Am Able to Regulate my Emotions
And Integrate My Senses Through A Meditative
Song of Poetry and Flow of Dance Where i Stay
As Peaceful as The Eye of A Hurricane Within

And Basically Never Run Out of What Some Folks
May Describe as A Force of CHI That's Basically

Just An Autotelic Flow That Stays Almost Always

In Plateau...

Hehe, i See
A Psychiatrist
Every Three Months
And He Says He Always
Looks Forward to Talking
To me So He Can Learn
Something New From me...

On the Other Hand my Danger
is Going Back to Low So i keep
My Hypomania in Check That's
Really Easy to Do Now Compared With
Dealing With All the Stresses of Work...

Anyway, It's Just Creativity... Some Folks are
Able to Get into A State of Consciousness to
Understand it As i Write it in A Similar State of

Consciousness too...

Thing is It's Always
Bliss that i Master...
i'd Be A Real Fool not to do it...

And Of Course Some Folks Experience
Mania That Can Become Absolutely Painful...
And That's When The Roller Coaster Comes to A Crash...

Boom...

And Just
Smoke Falling
After The Firework Show...

In This (Mine) Case Most
Definitely Creative Privilege...

Anyway That's Two Votes For me
to Get to Stay on 'The Island' Hehe...

i Scored A 45 On the Autism Scan As
Designed By Simon Baron Cohen When
i Came Here in 2010 And in the Summer
of 2013 When i Was Basically Reborn Back
With A Creative Consciousness i Scored 11...
That Really Blew the Minds of All the Folks
Who Had Seen me From Before; Indeed, Like
A Totally Different Human Being Yet of Course Yes
The Metaphor of the Archetypal 'Hero Journey' Out
of 'the Cave' Back into the Light of Sunshine Within Again...

Mood Disorders Are Highly Correlated With Human Creativity

And In General As Studied Higher Standard IQ People More Often

Are Able to Balance The Highs and Lows By Keeping Neo-Cortical Control...

Basically The Old Yin And Yang Metaphor of Balancing Mind And Body 'Soul'...

It Comes From my Maternal Side And Some of Those Relatives Who Didn't Inherit
My Father's Asperger's Genetics Indeed Struggled And Struggle to Even Survive...

It Probably Happens A lot As The Super Masculine Quiet Father And Super Feminine
Mother With One Cold and Aloof and the Other Super Empathic And Extremely Creative As Well...

So Yes, A Good Thing

Opposites Attracted

It Seems For me and
My Sister As Well With A Touch of Both...
However She Has More the Mind of my Father...

My Mother Was a Published Poet Yet There Aren't
Enough Trees in my Yard to Publish my Book Haha..;)



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21 Sep 2021, 1:34 am

Honestly, I miss my brain working like that even if it basically interfered with my ability to function because I had even less executive function than usual, even if I had more energy and creativity.

I'm surprised my hair wasn't neon blond and standing on end. :nerdy:


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21 Sep 2021, 7:50 am

cyberdad wrote:
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Ask a white person starving in Appalachia about “white privilege.”


Please demonstrate how they are worse off than a starving black person in the projects?


Nobody is claiming that they are. You demonstrate that black people in the projects are worse off than white Appalachians.



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21 Sep 2021, 8:16 am

funeralxempire wrote:
Honestly, I miss my brain working like that even if it basically interfered with my ability to function because I had even less executive function than usual, even if I had more energy and creativity.

I'm surprised my hair wasn't neon blond and standing on end. :nerdy:




There are No Job Descriptions or Rules in 'Wonderland'; Just
An Enhanced Ability for Original Creativity That By Very Nature

Means A Smaller Target Audience Who Can Even Understand
What One is Expressing in Art And Generally Speaking A Smaller

'Gene Pool' to Find FRiEnDS in As Well; Yet the Internet is A Very
Large Ocean And There are Other Super Creative People Who

LiVE iN Wonder Land True

And This Really Isn't Off Topic As There are Quite a Few Folks
on the Autism Spectrum With A Co-Diagnosis of Bi-Polar Disorder

And The Title of this OP Would Have Been More Realistically, "What
if You Are Autistic, What Kind of Privilege Do You Have As Autistic"

As The OP Listed His Personal Issues As They Relate Specifically to
Being Autistic Outside of Folks Who Are NOT Autistic And Are White...

So What If You Are Autistic And Bi-Polar And Choose to Use ALL OF YOUR
HUMAN POTENTIAL TO EXPRESS ORIGINAL CREATIVE PHILOSOPHY ON A SITE

FOR THE NEURODIVERSE

Dominated By Very "Left
Brain" Thinking Folks As Far
As Who Posts Who Are More Interested

IN Debating What's Already Been Done

Than Actually DOING ORIGINAL CREATIVE
PHILOSOPHY NOW; Considering, i Became
A Topic of This Thread As to If AM A 'Viable

Human Being' to Be Included on 'This Island'
THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE A SUPPORT SITE FOR
THE NEURODIVERSE AND NOT JUST A SUBSET OF

THE 'STEM

MAJOR

INCLINED'...

IT'S True People like
me are Discriminated against
on this Site for the Neurodiverse...

(Yes, VERY SYSTEMATICALLY)

And This Continues ON As This
Thread Clearly Relates As Well Now;

No Different than Black Folks in Jay
in my County Who As Recent as 1984,
Experienced the Systematic Racism of

Not Even Being Able to Visit A Town After Dark...
At Risk of Some Kind of Potential Injury to Their Life...

I've Always Been Reasonably Civil on this Site. And It's True
What i Do Goes Beyond Most limited 'Boxes' in Life in Complexity,
Length, And Depth of Rabbit Holes of Art; Never the Less i am the

Poster Child All Grown

Up For Expressing

Neurodiversity

Freely Without
Harming Others Beyond
What it takes to Scroll by
me if they Don't Have the
Kind of Human Potential Required
To Understand What i do... What's Really

Amazing is that i Was Able to Turn that Side of
my Human Potential Off Enough to Survive 33 Years
in the Actively Paid Work Force and 25 Years For the
Same Federal Employer Long Enough to Retire Early

(And Earn 3 College Degrees Close to the Top of the Class)

After i Just Couldn't Fit in Anymore With the Challenge of
Both Autism And Bi-Polar Disorder... My Whole Life Has
Been A Tight Rope Dance Higher and Higher Yet Through

'So-Called Disabilities', And Associated Labels As Such, i have

A Kind Of Human Potential

Expressed That Most Folks Can't
Even Imagine Exists in Terms of

How Great Life Can And Will Be
When All of Human Potential is Set

Free in Balance And No Longer Held in Prisons
Now of Rules and Job Description Restrictions...

Yes it'S A Whole Lot Like the Metaphor of
'Neo And His Matrix' That He Lived in Before

or Nietzsche's Dream of Doing "Superman''
The Way i Do it All Natural And Free Now...

A Future Lesson NOW For those WHO 'GET IT',

TO WELCOME FOLKS LIKE ME ON EARTH... (And The Wrong

Planet) OR DON'T; AS WE WILL FIND A WAY ON OUR OWN...

HeHe, with a little help from FRiEnDS More like 'US'...

These Days Even in Trump Town
USA, Amazingly As it Happens
Everyday i Dance in Public
A Free Style Original
Creative Mix of
Martial Arts
And Ballet

THEY HAVE TO GET USED
TO ME AS THEY ARE IN
MY FROG POND NOW

And i Slowly Boiled
Them Where They
Don't Even Notice
Where They Are When They See me now...

And That's Pretty Much the Moral of the 'Matrix' Story too...

It's A Small Club for Neo's and Superwomen Without Any Labels Yet Free...

Other than that i Still Turn this Off Long Enough to do the Taxes Once a
Year, And General Speaking my Wife, 'WonderWoman' Takes Care of all the

'Earthly
Duties'

Hehe,
including
Reminding me to Eat...
And When i'm Late to
An Important Time, Date,
And Place, in the 'World of Matters'...

Alternately, Yes, Boogie Wonderland With Song
my Green Acres in Colors of Eden Forever now...

In Short, Let's All Try to Put Our Actions Where
The Stated Philosophy of this Entire Site is And
Actually SUPPORT THE NEURODIVERSE HERE AND

STOP TRYING TO FIT THEM INTO SELFISH BOXES

THAT BELIEVE THAT EVERYONE SHOULD BE JUST LIKE THEM...

(Yes, Yes, i Realize That's Difficult For Folks Challenged With Deficits in
Cognitive Empathy And That's Part of Why i'm As Patient as i am here)

Yet, See the thing is, i Have Skin As Thick As Steel Now;

Not Everyone does...

People Do Deserve
Avenues to Express Their
Neurodiverse Nature here
As Long As They Remain
Civil and Don't Go Bullying People
For Being Different as i've Seen Here
Ad Nauseam WAY TOO DAMNED MUCH...

i Don't Tattle
Tale, It's Not
My Nature As
My Skin is Way
too Thick to Get Butt Hurt These
Days, Never the less, the Other
People who Don't Have that
Privilege, Deserve Their Pursuit
to Be who They Are Free Now too...

So Here's Another Title And Topic
(Really The Same one in Essence) Someone Might Explore
Here Further Again "What if You Are Really Neurodiverse and You

Come to the

'Wrong Planet'";

How Will Folks

Treat You Here;

Will They Welcome
Your Differences Or
Shun You And Complain
About How You Express
Yourself Differently Than Everyone Else;

It Should Be An Aim Exercised, in my Opinion...

And Honestly, The Environment For the Truly
Neurodiverse is More Accepted Here than Ever
Before, And True i am An ULTiMaTE LiTMuS Test For That, hehe..:)



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21 Sep 2021, 8:22 am

Some people in rural Appalachia ARE worse off than many people in urban "projects." This is because they are isolated from urban centers. In order to go to a supermarket, say, they have to have a car.

Frankly, I've met people in "projects" who do not reflect the stereotypes of "project" people.



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21 Sep 2021, 8:34 am

What are "projects"?


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21 Sep 2021, 8:41 am

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What are "projects"?
Housing projects for low- or no-income families to keep them off the street.  The Brits call it "Council Housing".


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21 Sep 2021, 8:58 am

The idea of "housing projects" was laudable-----but it certainly didn't work out too well in most instances.

Their original purpose was to provide housing for people after "slum clearance." Most of the people served by "projects" in the early days were of the working class, rather than of the "underclass."

High rises were built circa 1930s-1940s----and lower-rise buildings were built from the 1950s and beyond.

Slums were really nasty places, and they still are in some locales.



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21 Sep 2021, 11:49 am

I've been homeless, but I wonder if I was still better off than in some of these projects.



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21 Sep 2021, 12:00 pm

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I've been homeless, but I wonder if I was still better off than in some of these projects.

Crime nests?


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21 Sep 2021, 12:18 pm

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I've been homeless, but I wonder if I was still better off than in some of these projects.
Crime nests?
Turf wars.

Google "Cabrini Green".


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21 Sep 2021, 12:27 pm

Fnord wrote:
Google "Cabrini Green".

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At first, the housing was integrated and many residents held jobs. This changed in the years after World War II, when the nearby factories that provided the neighborhood's economic base closed and thousands were laid off. At the same time, the cash-strapped city began withdrawing crucial services[5] like police patrols, transit services, and routine building maintenance.[5]

Lawns were paved over to save on maintenance, failed lights were left for months, and apartments damaged by fire were simply boarded up instead of rehabilitated and reoccupied. Later phases of public housing development (such as the Green Homes, the newest of the Cabrini–Green buildings) were built on extremely tight budgets and suffered from maintenance problems due to the low quality of construction.[5]
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Specific gangs "controlled" individual buildings, and residents felt pressure to ally with those gangs in order to protect themselves from escalating violence.

During the worst years of Cabrini-Green's problems, vandalism increased substantially. Gang members and miscreants covered interior walls with graffiti and damaged doors, windows, and elevators. Rat and cockroach infestations were commonplace, rotting garbage stacked up in clogged trash chutes (it once piled up to the 15th floor), and basic utilities (water, electricity, etc.) often malfunctioned and were left in disrepair.[18]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabrini%E ... reen_Homes

Looks like the concept of home being a place of safety has been somehow missed...


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21 Sep 2021, 12:46 pm

I live in the UK, where the native people are White, and we hear the same sort of stuff about "White privilege" here.

I've been to Ireland several times, and the same sort of rhetoric is creeping in there as well, never mind the fact that Ireland never had any colonies and was under the heel of England for centuries.

It's pretty obvious then that this idea that "privilege" (any type of privilege) is some problem that needs to be solved is just a formula for newcomers in any country to make endless demands of whichever race or ethnic group actually founded that country. (Maybe I as a White person could move to China and try the same thing there. Does anyone think that would work out?)

So for example in the UK I can understand why some non-Whites complain about "White privilege". It is clearly in their interests to do so. However, if a non-White were to tell me I have "White privilege", my response to them would not be to protest that I'm on the autistic spectrum, and so life isn't easy for me either, or to protest that my great-grandfather worked godforsaken hours down a coalmine, or anything like that. No, my response to them would simply be "I don't care".

Far less easy to understand are the White liberals who endlessly virtue signal about "White privilege". What do they get out of it besides some feeling of smug self-righteousness? My response to them is "if you are so concerned about tackling the issue of White privilege, then go and give away all your possessions to People of Color".



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21 Sep 2021, 4:23 pm

Cabrini Green was a notorious "project" in Chicago. It was razed maybe 10-15 years ago.

I've lived in "projects." Some are good, some are bad. I stayed in a couple of good ones. One even had a courtyard with abundant trees in it.

But, yes, there are really bad "projects" in urban areas of the United States----where there's drug selling, murder, and other nefarious things. Probably most "projects" are undesirable place to live. But there are definite exceptions.

Basically, "projects" are government-owned housing.

Even in the UK, there are good "council houses" and bad "council houses." I've seen bad council houses. I once stayed with someone my wife knew in a good council house. It was an apartment in a rowhouse-type building.



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21 Sep 2021, 4:52 pm

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Far less easy to understand are the White liberals who endlessly virtue signal about "White privilege". What do they get out of it besides some feeling of smug self-righteousness? My response to them is "if you are so concerned about tackling the issue of White privilege, then go and give away all your possessions to People of Color".

Speaking for myself, I offer a sympathetic ear and listen to the "endless complaints".
Its not about giving away possessions to anybody. PoC are (at the end of the day) fellow Brits or fellow Aussies. Their ancestors may not have built the country but their descendents will be forever tied.

In the great exercise of nation building their voices are equally important as anyone elses.



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21 Sep 2021, 4:56 pm

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Basically, "projects" are government-owned housing.

Even in the UK, there are good "council houses" and bad "council houses." I've seen bad council houses. I once stayed with someone my wife knew in a good council house. It was an apartment in a rowhouse-type building.


We have council housing projects here in Australia as well, Not just high rise, There is also state commission housing where you have the unusual situation of public housing in prestigious expensive postcodes. Although with the housing booms of the 1980s these were phased out long ago.

The council high rises in capitol cities tends to attract similar occupants - welfare recipients, pensioners, immigrants and the poor, In some high rises the waitlist is actually quite long as there is high demand.