South FL Landlord Requires New Tenants to be Vaccinated
Actually, the no pets rule can possibly overridden in the case of service dogs for persons with actual disabilities. That is why there is a question on whether a landlord can restrict units to those who are vaccinated. What about those who have a legitimate medical reason to not get the vaccine? Should they be denied a place to rent because of an allergy (which can be considered a disability)? Granted, that is very few of members of the population (and another reason to get vaccinated, to protect those people).
Would you buy a vicious dog knowing that it could tear your arm off when there are dozens of other dogs nearby willing to lay on your lap and be petted? Would you apply to rent an apartment knowing that your application would be rejected when there are dozens of other landlords willing to take you in?
Come on, people! It is not as if the only oasis in the desert was posted as "Whites Only"!
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I hadn't considered the medical reasons which may prevent a prospective tennant from being vaccinated - That would be highly likely to fit under the "disability" clause, and so make the actions illegal:
(3) It is unlawful to make, print, or publish, or cause to be made, printed, or published, any notice, statement, or advertisement with respect to the sale or rental of a dwelling that indicates any preference, limitation, or discrimination based on race, color, national origin, sex, disability, familial status, or religion or an intention to make any such preference, limitation, or discrimination.
(4) It is unlawful to represent to any person because of race, color, national origin, sex, disability, familial status, or religion that any dwelling is not available for inspection, sale, or rental when such dwelling is in fact so available.
Source: http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0760/Sections/0760.23.html
There's also the fact that vaccination rates tend to be lower among certain racial groups, which could (potentially) also be used to infer the landlord is discriminating against (disproportionaly affecting) that group based on the low vaccination rates in that group.
Would you buy a vicious dog knowing that it could tear your arm off when there are dozens of other dogs nearby willing to lay on your lap and be petted? Would you apply to rent an apartment knowing that your application would be rejected when there are dozens of other landlords willing to take you in?
Come on, people! It is not as if the only oasis in the desert was posted as "Whites Only"!
This sounds quite a bit like the argument given for the county clerk in Kentucky who refused to give a gay couple a marriage license after the Supreme Court ruled that said license must be issued. Many argued that they could go to a different county, never mind that the county clerk in the county they resided in was breaking the law.
The same goes here. The fact that you can get an apartment elsewhere does not change the fact that what this landlord is doing might be illegal in the case of someone with a true disability which prevents them from getting the vaccine. The fact that one can go somewhere else does not change the legality.
Maybe this might help you understand the point of view of many of these people regarding the covid vaccinations, and how they differ from other medication:
Source: https://lozierinstitute.org/an-ethics-assessment-of-covid-19-vaccine-programs/
Informative.
I believe, if I was a landlord, that I would prefer a vaccinated tenant.
I'm not arguing, but vaccinated tenants can also get the virus and spread it around.
The jab only lessens the chance of getting seriously ill, so I have heard.
Does it also reduce the chance of getting infected in the first place?
I say they are being both hypocritical and disingenuous by citing the "religious exemption" rule to avoid the coronavirus vaccine when they would gladly pop a few pills to avoid a headache.
Did you miss the part about fetal cells being used?
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I would assume the landlord has been around the block enough times to know he has to accept valid medical reasons for not being vaccinated. If he doesn’t, his plan isn’t likely to hold up in court.
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Mom to an amazing young adult AS son, plus an also amazing non-AS daughter. Most likely part of the "Broader Autism Phenotype" (some traits).
It doesn't have to be a huge difference - just significant enough for a judge to say it exists.
BTW, I wasn't suggesting it would necessarily be a "good" area to focus on, should someone plan on taking the landlord to court, merely that it was a potential one that could be included in the case (if appropriate to the person doing so).
I say they are being both hypocritical and disingenuous by citing the "religious exemption" rule to avoid the coronavirus vaccine when they would gladly pop a few pills to avoid a headache.
Except the pills they "pop" aren't created through the use of aborted foetuses (as opposed to the vacines, which detail you thoughtfully cut from my post when "quoting" it, that were created using these), and so would not impact on their religious beliefs.
The fact you may not agree with those people on this point doesn't change the fact that to them this is a relevent, and important, consideration with regards to their religious beliefs.
This is not a case of people being ignorant, here.
There is a principle involved.
Vaccines cut the risk of carrying the virus to 1/4.
The vaccines reduce the risk of serious illness and death to 1/10.
A landlord has a vested interest in his tenants dying as infrequently as possible.
For those concerned about fetal stem cells, this is a paper developed specifically to address the issue and that seems to understand the religious position, given that it specifically addresses Catholics https://sharedsystems.dhsoha.state.or.u ... e3592e.pdf
The linked analysis is far more detailed and accurate than the paragraph Brictoria provided. Multiple other sources confirm the same information. Note that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines do NOT use any fetal stem cells in their production. The only connection was early in the development and testing process where decades old stem cell lines were used. In my experience. most in the right to life community accept these older stem cell lines as useful for science without raising any ethical concerns about creating new supply.
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Mom to an amazing young adult AS son, plus an also amazing non-AS daughter. Most likely part of the "Broader Autism Phenotype" (some traits).
Maybe this might help you understand the point of view of many of these people regarding the covid vaccinations, and how they differ from other medication:
Source: https://lozierinstitute.org/an-ethics-assessment-of-covid-19-vaccine-programs/
I find the paragraph you quoted to be misleading in that it suggests those stem cells are still used in production. With the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, they are NOT.
I also understand that religious exemption is unique to an individual. But the Catholic Church, which essentially is the single largest right to life institution in the world, has been clear that they do not believe the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines to be morally compromised.
I am Catholic. We had this discussion with the broader extended family during one of our international zooms, and even our most conservative members got vaccinated.
None of that gets inside the head of any one person, of course, but it is worth asking if their position is based in an accurate application of faith to FACT, instead of faith to misinformation.
And then there are the unethical people selling faith and medical exemptions …
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Mom to an amazing young adult AS son, plus an also amazing non-AS daughter. Most likely part of the "Broader Autism Phenotype" (some traits).
Maybe this might help you understand the point of view of many of these people regarding the covid vaccinations, and how they differ from other medication:
Source: https://lozierinstitute.org/an-ethics-assessment-of-covid-19-vaccine-programs/
I find the paragraph you quoted to be misleading in that it suggests those stem cells are still used in production. With the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, they are NOT.
I also understand that religious exemption is unique to an individual. But the Catholic Church, which essentially is the single largest right to life institution in the world, has been clear that they do not believe the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines to be morally compromised.
I am Catholic. We had this discussion with the broader extended family during one of our international zooms, and even our most conservative members got vaccinated.
None of that gets inside the head of any one person, of course, but it is worth asking if their position is based in an accurate application of faith to FACT, instead of faith to misinformation.
And then there are the unethical people selling faith and medical exemptions …
It may be "misleading", but it is an example of why some people have qualms about the vaccine, which was the reason I quoted it.
I'm not saying their reasons are or are not valid (this is an individual matter for them, centered around their personal religious beliefs) - I was merely trying to explain why to some people the vaccines are not acceptable to them for religious reasons, and how they may differ from the "popping a pill" or other vaccinations (to which this vaccine was being equated in the post I replied to) in those people's minds.
With regards to the Catholic church - This is not the "monolithic" entity you present it as - Unless the pontiff has proclaimed something "Ex cathedra", it is not a "compulsary" belief by the adherents to the church, nor part of church doctrine.
There is also the issue that there are many religious orders within the church, each having its own interpretations of various areas of the church's teachings (commonly, those of the "Society of Jesus" are referred to by the media on "social" issues, but their views are not necesarily representative of the church as a whole).
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