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27 Sep 2021, 12:58 pm

Physical punishments might be the only thing capable of stopping this, but in the US that was abandoned long ago. What will not stop this is fines and jail.



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27 Sep 2021, 1:45 pm

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Physical punishments might be the only thing capable of stopping this, but in the US that was abandoned long ago. What will not stop this is fines and jail.


It's almost like civilized societies decided physical abuse to force compliance was uncivilized or something.
Good on 'em.


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27 Sep 2021, 1:58 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
Physical punishments might be the only thing capable of stopping this, but in the US that was abandoned long ago. What will not stop this is fines and jail.


It's almost like civilized societies decided physical abuse to force compliance was uncivilized or something.
Good on 'em.


In Saudi Arabia stealing that tip jar would cost you a hand. In Singapore dumping a bucket of filth in public would get you seven lashes with a cane wielded by a martial arts expert. As a result these sorts of crimes are non existent there.



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27 Sep 2021, 2:00 pm

Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
Physical punishments might be the only thing capable of stopping this, but in the US that was abandoned long ago. What will not stop this is fines and jail.


It's almost like civilized societies decided physical abuse to force compliance was uncivilized or something.
Good on 'em.


In Saudi Arabia stealing that tip jar would cost you a hand. In Singapore dumping a bucket of filth in public would get you seven lashes with a cane wielded by a martial arts expert. As a result these sorts of crimes are non existent there.


And neither of those are places I'd hold up as examples of civilization.


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27 Sep 2021, 2:06 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
Physical punishments might be the only thing capable of stopping this, but in the US that was abandoned long ago. What will not stop this is fines and jail.


It's almost like civilized societies decided physical abuse to force compliance was uncivilized or something.
Good on 'em.


In Saudi Arabia stealing that tip jar would cost you a hand. In Singapore dumping a bucket of filth in public would get you seven lashes with a cane wielded by a martial arts expert. As a result these sorts of crimes are non existent there.


And neither of those are places I'd hold up as examples of civilization.


Yes they are. It's not like either one is some malaria infested swamp in the Amazon where the people live in mud huts.



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27 Sep 2021, 2:23 pm

Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
Physical punishments might be the only thing capable of stopping this, but in the US that was abandoned long ago. What will not stop this is fines and jail.


It's almost like civilized societies decided physical abuse to force compliance was uncivilized or something.
Good on 'em.


In Saudi Arabia stealing that tip jar would cost you a hand. In Singapore dumping a bucket of filth in public would get you seven lashes with a cane wielded by a martial arts expert. As a result these sorts of crimes are non existent there.


And neither of those are places I'd hold up as examples of civilization.


Yes they are. It's not like either one is some malaria infested swamp in the Amazon where the people live in mud huts.


I wouldn't hold the nature of a society's basic housing or it's location against them but corporal punishment shows a distinct lack of civilized thought.


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27 Sep 2021, 2:30 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
Physical punishments might be the only thing capable of stopping this, but in the US that was abandoned long ago. What will not stop this is fines and jail.


It's almost like civilized societies decided physical abuse to force compliance was uncivilized or something.
Good on 'em.


In Saudi Arabia stealing that tip jar would cost you a hand. In Singapore dumping a bucket of filth in public would get you seven lashes with a cane wielded by a martial arts expert. As a result these sorts of crimes are non existent there.


And neither of those are places I'd hold up as examples of civilization.


Yes they are. It's not like either one is some malaria infested swamp in the Amazon where the people live in mud huts.


I wouldn't hold the nature of a society's basic housing or it's location against them but corporal punishment shows a distinct lack of civilized thought.


Ok then how do you think tribes of traditional people handle criminals?



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27 Sep 2021, 3:12 pm

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Physical punishments might be the only thing capable of stopping this, but in the US that was abandoned long ago. What will not stop this is fines and jail.


We’ve already agreed these people are either mentally ill or addicted to drugs. If they aren’t thinking rationally, they also can’t connect the dots from their behavior to the consequence. Meaning, your suggestion won’t stop the undesirable behaviors at all. It would amount to nothing but intentional cruelty.

Seriously, this is what you’ve been holding in your pocket as you press people to answer what their suggestion is? Did you not understand when it was agreed why an unsolvable homeless population exits?

This isn’t a about criminals; it is about mental illness and drug addiction. These people are SICK.


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27 Sep 2021, 3:32 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:
Axeman wrote:
Physical punishments might be the only thing capable of stopping this, but in the US that was abandoned long ago. What will not stop this is fines and jail.


We’ve already agreed these people are either mentally ill or addicted to drugs. If they aren’t thinking rationally, they also can’t connect the dots from their behavior to the consequence. Meaning, your suggestion won’t stop the undesirable behaviors at all. It would amount to nothing but intentional cruelty.

Seriously, this is what you’ve been holding in your pocket as you press people to answer what their suggestion is? Did you not understand when it was agreed why an unsolvable homeless population exits?

This isn’t a about criminals; it is about mental illness and drug addiction. These people are SICK.


Vigilante action was already brought up in this thread and not by me.



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27 Sep 2021, 4:47 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:
Axeman wrote:
Physical punishments might be the only thing capable of stopping this, but in the US that was abandoned long ago. What will not stop this is fines and jail.


We’ve already agreed these people are either mentally ill or addicted to drugs. If they aren’t thinking rationally, they also can’t connect the dots from their behavior to the consequence. Meaning, your suggestion won’t stop the undesirable behaviors at all. It would amount to nothing but intentional cruelty.

Seriously, this is what you’ve been holding in your pocket as you press people to answer what their suggestion is? Did you not understand when it was agreed why an unsolvable homeless population exits?

This isn’t a about criminals; it is about mental illness and drug addiction. These people are SICK.


Chicago has had this crap going on for at least the last ten years



Flash mobs of black teens who come downtown, physically attack whites, mob rob high end retailers, smash and break things, etc. I'm sure you will have some sob story about them growing up in a racist world to excuse it but the people they attack don't deserve to be robbed and punched for just going about their lawful business. Again fines and jail do nothing to stop it.



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27 Sep 2021, 4:53 pm

too bad there are no barely hospitable islands or midwestern ghost towns to send these hooligans to. oh, wait....



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27 Sep 2021, 5:01 pm

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too bad there are no barely hospitable islands or midwestern ghost towns to send these hooligans to. oh, wait....


Detroit.



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27 Sep 2021, 5:24 pm

there are still a few good people in the motor city that need protection from this element. or moved out of there to someplace better.



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27 Sep 2021, 5:29 pm

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there are still a few good people in the motor city that need protection from this element. or moved out of there to someplace better.


Chicago isn't all bad. Detroit is.

Which US city has the worst bad areas depends on your criteria. If you mean most violent it's Chicago. If you mean poorest it's New Orleans. If you mean biggest it's Detroit.

Chicago is run by Obama type Democrats and has handgun laws up the ying yang. The Dems there haven't done much about the massive wealth inequality in the city and the gun laws obviously aren't making it safer.



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27 Sep 2021, 5:34 pm

Axeman wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
Axeman wrote:
Physical punishments might be the only thing capable of stopping this, but in the US that was abandoned long ago. What will not stop this is fines and jail.


We’ve already agreed these people are either mentally ill or addicted to drugs. If they aren’t thinking rationally, they also can’t connect the dots from their behavior to the consequence. Meaning, your suggestion won’t stop the undesirable behaviors at all. It would amount to nothing but intentional cruelty.

Seriously, this is what you’ve been holding in your pocket as you press people to answer what their suggestion is? Did you not understand when it was agreed why an unsolvable homeless population exits?

This isn’t a about criminals; it is about mental illness and drug addiction. These people are SICK.


Chicago has had this crap going on for at least the last ten years



Flash mobs of black teens who come downtown, physically attack whites, mob rob high end retailers, smash and break things, etc. I'm sure you will have some sob story about them growing up in a racist world to excuse it but the people they attack don't deserve to be robbed and punched for just going about their lawful business. Again fines and jail do nothing to stop it.


You are mixing stories and problems. Completely different issues cannot be solved the same way.

We were talking about crimes by the homeless or mentally ill.

I’m not going to get into teenage mobs at this time, but I will still insist there are better solutions than yours. You can’t use Singapore or Saudi Arabia for that issue because they are both much more homogenous populations with cultural structures that cannot be replicated here. And … I want you to think about this: I personally do see you throwing in that particular example at this point in the conversation as a likely subconsciously (if not consciously) racist choice. Choice of images matter and the time and place of those choices matter. This one does not belong in this unique conversation. Although I admit perhaps you simply have not really been paying attention? In which case my answer is you should learn to pay attention. Either way, you can be better than this.


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27 Sep 2021, 5:36 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:
Axeman wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
Axeman wrote:
Physical punishments might be the only thing capable of stopping this, but in the US that was abandoned long ago. What will not stop this is fines and jail.


We’ve already agreed these people are either mentally ill or addicted to drugs. If they aren’t thinking rationally, they also can’t connect the dots from their behavior to the consequence. Meaning, your suggestion won’t stop the undesirable behaviors at all. It would amount to nothing but intentional cruelty.

Seriously, this is what you’ve been holding in your pocket as you press people to answer what their suggestion is? Did you not understand when it was agreed why an unsolvable homeless population exits?

This isn’t a about criminals; it is about mental illness and drug addiction. These people are SICK.


Chicago has had this crap going on for at least the last ten years



Flash mobs of black teens who come downtown, physically attack whites, mob rob high end retailers, smash and break things, etc. I'm sure you will have some sob story about them growing up in a racist world to excuse it but the people they attack don't deserve to be robbed and punched for just going about their lawful business. Again fines and jail do nothing to stop it.


You are mixing stories and problems. Completely different issues cannot be solved the same way.

We were talking about crimes by the homeless or mentally ill.

I’m not going to get into teenage mobs at this time, but I will still insist there are better solutions than yours. You can’t use Singapore or Saudi Arabia for that issue because they are both much more homogenous populations with cultural structures that cannot be replicated here. And, yes, I personally do see you throwing in that particular example at this point in the conversation as a subconsciously (if not consciously) racist choice. Choice of images matter and the time and place of those choices matter. This one does not belong in this unique conversation. You can be better than that.


These mobs are always black teens. That's a fact.