Mysterious jump in excess mortality among younger cohorts

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30 Dec 2021, 11:34 am

Mikah wrote:
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1476583826344267777

Any German speakers feel like investigating the source of this one? ...
Google Translate says...

The usual tabular overview of vaccination effectiveness is missing in the new #RKI weekly report. The following vaccination status information is available for 4206 of a total of # Omikron cases:

- 4020, therefore 95.58% fully vaccinated (1137 boosted)
- 186 unvaccinated (4.42%)



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30 Dec 2021, 4:25 pm

Fnord wrote:
Mikah wrote:
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1476583826344267777

Any German speakers feel like investigating the source of this one? ...
Google Translate says...

The usual tabular overview of vaccination effectiveness is missing in the new #RKI weekly report. The following vaccination status information is available for 4206 of a total of # Omikron cases:

- 4020, therefore 95.58% fully vaccinated (1137 boosted)
- 186 unvaccinated (4.42%)


Hehe thanks. This is the original paper I believe (not sure because German): https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/N ... cationFile

Google translate didn't work for me with that.


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30 Dec 2021, 4:28 pm

https://www.canadiancovidcarealliance.o ... an-good-2/

^ This link is a 38 minute video I am currently watching, it has a very good summary of anti-vaxxers concerns regarding the safety of the vaccine, it also neatly lays out the worrying implications from Pfizer's own data mentioned previously.

Supposedly this is the video that saw Dr Malone banned from twitter, so you know there's something worthwhile in there.


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30 Dec 2021, 5:31 pm

You know what I stick to? What the scientists deeply involved with the disease do for themselves and their families.

I have relatives working directly with some of those scientists.

Get the vaccine. Get tested regularly and often.


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30 Dec 2021, 5:59 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:
You know what I stick to? What the scientists deeply involved with the disease do for themselves and their families.

I have relatives working directly with some of those scientists.

Get the vaccine. Get tested regularly and often.


Watched the video?


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30 Dec 2021, 9:23 pm

Dear Mikah,

I want to thank you for making this thread and posting these things.

I have gained a better overarching knowledge of everything that is going on and feel more empowered. Knowledge really is power, where ever it leads you.


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31 Dec 2021, 12:22 am

The data I've seen indicates that the current vaccines are definitely less effective at preventing infection with omicron than other variants. By Pfizer's own admission, 2 doses will only give 30-40% effectiveness against omicron. A booster shot will bring that up, but it looks to me like vaccination drives are not going to be the end of covid that was once hoped.

However, multiple sources also indicate that the unvaccinated are more likely to get severe disease than the unvaccinated. So the vaccines do seem to be important in lowering death rates and hospital overwhelm.

It's better to be cautious comparing overall infection rates of the vaccinated and unvaccinated, such as that German paper, which seems to be referring only to infection, however mild, and not to severe disease.



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31 Dec 2021, 6:55 am

that1weirdgrrrl wrote:
Dear Mikah,

I want to thank you for making this thread and posting these things.


You're welcome.

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However, multiple sources also indicate that the unvaccinated are more likely to get severe disease than the unvaccinated. So the vaccines do seem to be important in lowering death rates and hospital overwhelm.


There's little doubt that the shots work more or less as advertised in the short term, though not for as long or as effectively as first declared. It's what happens in the longer term that most concerns me and others. The potential costs of this temporary "partial immunity" are staggering. Only time will tell what those costs really are. Even if the worst of it is a few thousand dead from heart attacks before their time, it was still very bad medical practice combined with stupid short-sighted politics to roll out the vaccines.


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03 Jan 2022, 9:02 pm

https://www.thecentersquare.com/indiana ... 25e2c.html

https://archive.is/VIzFv (for non-US visitors)

Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

The head of Indianapolis-based insurance company OneAmerica said the death rate is up a stunning 40% from pre-pandemic levels among working-age people.
“We are seeing, right now, the highest death rates we have seen in the history of this business – not just at OneAmerica,” the company’s CEO Scott Davison said during an online news conference this week. “The data is consistent across every player in that business.”


...

Just to give you an idea of how bad that is, a three-sigma or a one-in-200-year catastrophe would be 10% increase over pre-pandemic,” he said. “So 40% is just unheard of.”
Davison was one of several business leaders who spoke during the virtual news conference on Dec. 30 that was organized by the Indiana Chamber of Commerce.
Most of the claims for deaths being filed are not classified as COVID-19 deaths, Davison said.
“What the data is showing to us is that the deaths that are being reported as COVID deaths greatly understate the actual death losses among working-age people from the pandemic. It may not all be COVID on their death certificate, but deaths are up just huge, huge numbers.”


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The number of hospitalizations in the state is now higher than before the COVID-19 vaccine was introduced a year ago, and in fact is higher than it’s been in the past five years, Dr. Lindsay Weaver, Indiana’s chief medical officer, said at a news conference with Gov. Eric Holcomb on Wednesday.
Just 8.9% of ICU beds are available at hospitals in the state, a low for the year, and lower than at any time during the pandemic. But the majority of ICU beds are not taken up by COVID-19 patients – just 37% are, while 54% of the ICU beds are being occupied by people with other illnesses or conditions.


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03 Jan 2022, 9:33 pm

Mikah wrote:
https://www.thecentersquare.com/indiana/indiana-life-insurance-ceo-says-deaths-are-up-40-among-people-ages-18-64/article_71473b12-6b1e-11ec-8641-5b2c06725e2c.html

https://archive.is/VIzFv (for non-US visitors)

Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

The head of Indianapolis-based insurance company OneAmerica said the death rate is up a stunning 40% from pre-pandemic levels among working-age people.
“We are seeing, right now, the highest death rates we have seen in the history of this business – not just at OneAmerica,” the company’s CEO Scott Davison said during an online news conference this week. “The data is consistent across every player in that business.”


...

Just to give you an idea of how bad that is, a three-sigma or a one-in-200-year catastrophe would be 10% increase over pre-pandemic,” he said. “So 40% is just unheard of.”
Davison was one of several business leaders who spoke during the virtual news conference on Dec. 30 that was organized by the Indiana Chamber of Commerce.
Most of the claims for deaths being filed are not classified as COVID-19 deaths, Davison said.
“What the data is showing to us is that the deaths that are being reported as COVID deaths greatly understate the actual death losses among working-age people from the pandemic. It may not all be COVID on their death certificate, but deaths are up just huge, huge numbers.”


...

The number of hospitalizations in the state is now higher than before the COVID-19 vaccine was introduced a year ago, and in fact is higher than it’s been in the past five years, Dr. Lindsay Weaver, Indiana’s chief medical officer, said at a news conference with Gov. Eric Holcomb on Wednesday.
Just 8.9% of ICU beds are available at hospitals in the state, a low for the year, and lower than at any time during the pandemic. But the majority of ICU beds are not taken up by COVID-19 patients – just 37% are, while 54% of the ICU beds are being occupied by people with other illnesses or conditions.


On the bright side, if this is true, it's good for the climate crisis.


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03 Jan 2022, 11:01 pm

Mikah wrote:
https://www.thecentersquare.com/indiana/indiana-life-insurance-ceo-says-deaths-are-up-40-among-people-ages-18-64/article_71473b12-6b1e-11ec-8641-5b2c06725e2c.html

https://archive.is/VIzFv (for non-US visitors)

Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

The head of Indianapolis-based insurance company OneAmerica said the death rate is up a stunning 40% from pre-pandemic levels among working-age people.
“We are seeing, right now, the highest death rates we have seen in the history of this business – not just at OneAmerica,” the company’s CEO Scott Davison said during an online news conference this week. “The data is consistent across every player in that business.”


...

Just to give you an idea of how bad that is, a three-sigma or a one-in-200-year catastrophe would be 10% increase over pre-pandemic,” he said. “So 40% is just unheard of.”
Davison was one of several business leaders who spoke during the virtual news conference on Dec. 30 that was organized by the Indiana Chamber of Commerce.
Most of the claims for deaths being filed are not classified as COVID-19 deaths, Davison said.
“What the data is showing to us is that the deaths that are being reported as COVID deaths greatly understate the actual death losses among working-age people from the pandemic. It may not all be COVID on their death certificate, but deaths are up just huge, huge numbers.”


...

The number of hospitalizations in the state is now higher than before the COVID-19 vaccine was introduced a year ago, and in fact is higher than it’s been in the past five years, Dr. Lindsay Weaver, Indiana’s chief medical officer, said at a news conference with Gov. Eric Holcomb on Wednesday.
Just 8.9% of ICU beds are available at hospitals in the state, a low for the year, and lower than at any time during the pandemic. But the majority of ICU beds are not taken up by COVID-19 patients – just 37% are, while 54% of the ICU beds are being occupied by people with other illnesses or conditions.


Seems like a big call to take overall death rates, from all causes, and implicate vaccinations for any excess.
Where is the link, apart from some rough correlation in timing?

I can think of many potential reasons for an increase in death rates, even apart from covid infection itself:
- the medical system having to postpone preventive care of other conditions while dealing with huge numbers of covid cases
- stress in the population leading to heart attacks and strokes
- ditto mental ill-health and suicide

I know that a few young people are suffering from potentially fatal adverse effects from vaccinations, but I see no evidence that this would account for all or even a majority of the increased death rate.

However, I agree that we should keep following what is happening with vaccines, as there may come a point with milder strains such as omicron where the risks start outweighing the benefits. In that sense, it is good to have people like yourself, Mikah, keeping an eye on the data.

For myself, I've been double vaccinated, but am not yet decided whether to take a booster shot. If the vaccines do not prevent infection with omicron, and the omicron infection is less likely to be severe in any case, I'm not sure it is worth the risk of an adverse reaction for me personally, considering I broke out in hives after my second shot.



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04 Jan 2022, 8:39 am

MrsPeel wrote:
Seems like a big call to take overall death rates, from all causes, and implicate vaccinations for any excess.


Correlation is all we have to work with for now, much of this thread is first order data analysis and correlation-spotting. It is, at the very least interesting and it supplies an idea of potential scale of the thing.


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06 Jan 2022, 2:03 pm

A timely reminder of the kind of data manipulation the CDC has engaged in. From six months ago:

https://off-guardian.org/2021/05/18/how ... ctiveness/

How the CDC is manipulating data to prop-up “vaccine effectiveness”

New policies will artificially deflate “breakthrough infections” in the vaccinated, while the old rules continue to inflate case numbers in the unvaccinated.

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Essentially, Covid19 has long been shown – to those willing to pay attention – to be an entirely created pandemic narrative built on two key factors:

- False-postive tests. The unreliable PCR test can be manipulated into reporting a high number of false-positives by altering the cycle threshold (CT value)
- Inflated Case-count. The incredibly broad definition of “Covid case”, used all over the world, lists anyone who receives a positive test as a “Covid19 case”, even if they never experienced any symptoms.

Without these two policies, there would never have been an appreciable pandemic at all, and now the CDC has enacted two policy changes which means they no longer apply to vaccinated people.

Firstly, they are lowering their CT value when testing samples from suspected “breakthrough infections”.

From the CDC’s instructions for state health authorities on handling “possible breakthrough infections” (uploaded to their website in late April):

- For cases with a known RT-PCR cycle threshold (Ct) value, submit only specimens with Ct value ≤28 to CDC for sequencing. (Sequencing is not feasible with higher Ct values.)

Throughout the pandemic, CT values in excess of 35 have been the norm, with labs around the world going into the 40s.

Essentially labs were running as many cycles as necessary to achieve a positive result, despite experts warning that this was pointless (even Fauci himself said anything over 35 cycles is meaningless).

But NOW, and only for fully vaccinated people, the CDC is suggesting labs lower their CT values to 28 cycles or fewer.

While it is technically true the CDC are only directly referring to samples for sequencing in these guidelines, focusing on that distinction disregards the way institutional dilution of responsibility works.

When the CDC tells State health authorities it “would like to characterize the SARS-CoV-2 lineages responsible for breakthrough infections”, and in turn warns that “only specimens with Ct value ≤28 to CDC are suitable for sequencing” they are not literally ordering people to run their tests at 28 cycles, but they are certainly implying that they should, and guaranteeing that some people will. This will then have the effect that fewer “breakthrough infections” are being officially recorded.

Secondly, asymptomatic or mild infections will no longer be recorded as “covid cases”.

That’s right. Even if a sample collected at the low CT value of 28 can be sequenced into the virus alleged to cause Covid19, the CDC will no longer be keeping records of breakthrough infections that don’t result in hospitalisation or death.

From their website:

As of May 1, 2021, CDC transitioned from monitoring all reported vaccine breakthrough cases to focus on identifying and investigating only hospitalized or fatal cases due to any cause. This shift will help maximize the quality of the data collected on cases of greatest clinical and public health importance. Previous case counts, which were last updated on April 26, 2021, are available for reference only and will not be updated moving forward.

Just like that, being asymptomatic – or having only minor symptoms – will no longer count as a “Covid case” but only if you’ve been vaccinated.

The CDC has put new policies in place which effectively created a tiered system of diagnosis. Meaning, from now on, unvaccinated people will find it much easier to be diagnosed with Covid19 than vaccinated people.

The CDC is demonstrating the beauty of having a “disease” that can appear or disappear depending on how you measure it.


This sort of thing is likely the reason that US politicians get to proclaim a "pandemic of the unvaccinated" while other countries using different methods of data collection and processing apparently received Play-doh from Pfizer by mistake. This sort of data manipulation can appear anywhere, not just from the CDC so be aware and keep your pinch of salt handy.


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12 Jan 2022, 7:46 am

Suddenly an "anti-vaxx conspiracy" is a known risk and side effect.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... m-ema-says

EU Warns Repeat Boosters Could Weaken Immune System

Repeat booster doses every four months could eventually weaken the immune system and tire out people, according to the European Medicines Agency. Instead, countries should leave more time between booster programs and tie them to the onset of the cold season in each hemisphere, following the blueprint set out by influenza vaccination strategies, the agency said.


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12 Jan 2022, 8:42 am

If flu shots don’t “tire people out,” why should it not be the same for the COVID shots?

Sure, we have to keep track of the COVID vaccines.

Real-world data consistently states that the more vaccinated a person is, the less serious any breakthrough infection is.

If hospitalizations under Omicron rose at the rate of its increased prevalence, we would be in big trouble.

We should refer to data from individual hospitals.



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