Trump begs for money.
↑↑ Correct, Kraftie.
There is no "Alternate Truth".
The truth is that Mr. Biden won the election fair-and-square, and that Mr. Trump is a sore loser.
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Oh really?
https://www.politico.com/blogs/ben-smit ... new-035224
A full 22.6% of Democrats said it was "very likely." Another 28.2% called it "somewhat likely."
That is: More than half of Democrats, according to a neutral survey, said they believed Bush was complicit in the 9/11 terror attacks.
There you have it, half of Democrats are obviously insane, to use your own words.
Less effective a rebuttal than you seem to think, given how little you seem to know. Even so:
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ ... 020-448604
And many of them still believe that. Their continued commitment to the idea even today reveals that, once sown, doubt in the democratic process is difficult to dispel. Rather than recede with age, in many cases these 2004 skeptics’ concerns only deepened. And today, many of these 2004 figures have found a new cause in the 2020 election, embracing Trump’s claims about the results even if they are on the opposite end of the ideological spectrum. The movement is starting to split, as others refuse to align themselves with the president and his supporters, and even think it’s dangerous to do so.
But despite this current divide, both sides are still united in one conviction: They still think the democratic process is deeply flawed—enough to throw an election in 2004, and enough to do it again. Simon, who still questions the 2004 election but doesn’t buy Trump’s claims, says his own reaction to the president has been edifying. “I recognize the irony: Now I’m the one asking for more evidence,” he says. Still, he identifies with something at the core of even Trump’s wildest rants. “The general proposition that you can’t trust the system,” he says, “that is valid.”
Just like Trump might have won in 2020 if it weren't for media bias and the tech, entertainment, intelligence, and academic sectors all doing their damnedest to insure his loss. You think it's different when you do it, but it's not.
You still believe in RussiaGate, a wholly discredited conspiracy theory, among other verifiably untrue things that are common beliefs across your party. I already pointed out that over half the Democrats had at least some belief in 9/11 conspiracies, and if memory serves, there are other polls showing higher numbers than that. I could keep going, but with you I find that it's best to make my point and move on, as it's not like you're going to ever admit a mistake or change a belief.
It's not about them per se, it's about people like you who think you're better than them when you're not, you just worship a different set of false idols. You're the pot to their kettle, you just don't know it.
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From "The Art of The Deal", p27, by Donald J. Trump and Tony Schwartz...
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There is no "Alternate Truth".
The truth is that Mr. Biden won the election fair-and-square, and that Mr. Trump is a sore loser.
That is your interpretation of what happened.
Keep in mind that the Truth can be quite elusive due to political manipulation.
People do lie to achieve/maintain their narrative.
That is why one must keep an open mind to incorporate any new information that comes our way.
At one time, "The Truth" was that the coronavirus pandemic couldn't possibly have happened as a result of a Wuhan lab leak.
Not only has that changed to a possibility, but it is also now considered a *probability* by informed individuals.
No one has a monopoly on the Truth.
Not even The Oracle of Truth.
Saying something doesn't make it so.
Often it is a case of considering the facts and making a judgement call.
That's the fact, Jack.
To be clear, I believe Trump lost the election, but there is evidence that political machinations were also involved.
To be clear, I wish he would retire from politics and let new blood take over the Republican party.
To be clear, it looks grim that that is not going to happen now that Uncle Joe is doing so badly.
The skunk has spoken.
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In other words, trump lost by about 7 MILLION times the amount of votes necessary to lose. What a YUGE Loser!! !
The American Electoral College Voting system is odd to me.
I wonder if it has reached its use-by date.
I, myself, believe it has run its course.
Trump has done some things that go beyond the pale of "politics as usual." It's as clear as day. No "machinations." Just good, hard evidence.
From my POV that is rather simplistic.
So, you are saying censorship buy left-wing media outlets favouring the left of politics through lies of omission and contextual perversion weren't involved?
Kraftie, seriously.
To be clear, these sorts of machinations happen on both sides of politics.
"Politics" is a very dirty game.
Not realising that is a little naive.
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I am about 1/4 of the way through my third reading of "The Art of The Deal", and I am surprised at how different the 1987 Donald Trump seems from the 2017 Donald Trump. The former seems like a savvy businessman and investor who understands the people who support and oppose him, while the latter seems like a sadistic despot and instigator who imagines that even the people who support him are out to get him.
Sad!
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Sad!
It is also sad that a dysfunctional American political system allowed a narcissistic individual to become the President of the most powerful nation on earth.
No Sir. I'm not denying that there's "machinations" on both sides. I'm neither a "leftist," nor a "rightist." I'm a realist.
What I'm saying: There's good, hard evidence that Trump called that Georgia election official, and tried to finagle some nonexistent votes from the official. That goes beyond the pale of "politics as usual." This is Mafia-type stuff.
Trump is a sore loser, to say the least. Imagine if he would have had his allegations taken seriously? I tremble at the thought! We would become another Belarus. Or some Banana Republic. Trump wants to be a Generalissimo.
If no Electoral College, there would be NO Trump.
Enough said?
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What I'm saying: There's good, hard evidence that Trump called that Georgia election official, and tried to finagle some nonexistent votes from the official. That goes beyond the pale of "politics as usual." This is Mafia-type stuff.
Trump is a sore loser, to say the least. Imagine if he would have had his allegations taken seriously? I tremble at the thought! We would become another Belarus. Or some Banana Republic. Trump wants to be a Generalissimo.
If no Electoral College, there would be NO Trump.
Assuming this is True, and I have no reason to think it isn't, it could be seen as political machinations countering machinations on the other side.
The bottom line is, the judicial system made a judgement call dismissing his claims.
I don't think any of the numerous legal maneuvers succeeded.
Correct me if I am wrong.
The assumption is that the American Judicial System has integrity.
In this instance, I believe it has in part because many judges involved were conservative.
Enough said?
As I have said numerous times, "Politics" is a very dirty game. *on both sides of the political divide*.
Not realising this is a little naive.
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