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SharonB
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26 Nov 2021, 10:57 pm

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...Enneagrams are based on numerology, which is based on superstition, which in turn is utter nonsense.[/color]

I don't care what the basis is, I care if it's useful. LOL. It is... clearly not for you at this time, but for many others.

I was never much for history. I seem to live in the moment and yet have an elephant memory for patterns, so I don't really get that. Good and bad. LOL



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26 Nov 2021, 11:59 pm

SharonB wrote:
Fnord wrote:
...Enneagrams are based on numerology, which is based on superstition, which in turn is utter nonsense.
I don't care what the basis is, I care if it's useful. LOL. It is... clearly not for you at this time, but for many others...
Its most obvious use is to scam money out of fools, same as any other fortune-telling process.

Not that I am complaining; I made a living for a short time casting horoscopes and flipping tarot cards.



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27 Nov 2021, 12:16 am

"Even a broken clock is correct twice a day"

Even if bogus ideas get some things right, they'll also lead you to believe incorrect things and make incorrect decisions. If that bogus theory touches on personalities and personal capabilities, it means that you're going to end up hurting people.

In the workplace, it means undeserving people may get rewarded while hard workers are not, or that socially unhealthy people get put into positions of power and authority.

In interpersonal relationships it means you'll be conducting yourself with social rulesets that may confuse people or reflect a set of ethical beliefs that don't align with your personal beliefs. It might also undeservedly color a person more attractively to you who, in the end may be unhealthy for you. And visa-versa.

On the flip side, it'll also act with the same effect as bright flashy colors on plants and animals in the wild; if people who are smart enough to spurn superstition and pseudo-science notice you making odd decisions due to those things, or even just learn that you believe those things, they'll inevitably become more socially aversive with you to avoid dealing with the troublesome issues that arise from it....like awkward conversations where they try to change the topic or quit it altogether while trying to remain polite and not say something hurtful regarding your beliefs.

That being said, maybe the mental health benefits of putting faith in simpler things, in a society that can't afford better mental healthcare to all, is overall better for your long-term health and happiness.

Considering that superstition and pseudo-science is overall bad for society, though, and regularly commits atrocities because too many people allow it to exist without proper regulation, I personally can't approve of it.


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27 Nov 2021, 3:33 pm

I see both Enn. and MBTI as statistical data sets. They may have many foundations, uses, religions, anti-religions, proponents, detractors, etc., et. al., but they remain observables amenable to statistics "reviews" without any of them.

As raw statistics, I don't care about any of the above. I allow all of them; but require none of them. In such use, I find both MBTI & Enn. to contain rather stationary repeatable data that correlate enuf to personlology (D. Keiesey) and Aspie casual interests and reported "special interests."

That to me is interesting and leads to more questions (& guesses to test.)! ! It ain't over 'till all guess/tests get done. Until then, I enjoy and find useful, their "maybe perhapses." RIP!



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27 Nov 2021, 4:28 pm

For those of you with strong opinions on the truth, existence of, utility of, etc., divination, paranormal stuff, etc., there's a weakest form of all these that you might consider.

It says: ignore all the explanations, hype, truths, etc., of any such. Just do the procedure that's given. At the end of the procedure, do you have any new thoughts, OF ANY KIND, not related to anything at all, just out of the blue? Is that "thought" interesting to you?? ! !

It's an experiment for all to do, before you make up your mind on anything about IT!! I suggest you try it on the two forms in: [email protected] and enjoy her site too. Let us know how it goes. (As a new experimentalist, you get to name and copyright any such new "findings" interpretations.)



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27 Nov 2021, 6:34 pm

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Not that I am complaining; I made a living for a short time casting horoscopes and flipping tarot cards.

Were you good at it? :D

My mom did tarot too! Similar to you she was an engineer (albeit in her day she was allowed only an economics degree) and later did tarot cards. She didn't believe in tarot cards but was VERY good (and helped a lot of people). Unlike you she believes in horoscope (finds it helpful). I would say she is Enneagram 1 (perfectionist) wing 5 (specialist), but don't know for sure ---if one were to find those things helpful. Hahahahahahahaha.



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27 Nov 2021, 8:12 pm

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... Just do the procedure that's given...
No.  The procedure requires users to pay for the results, which also requires giving over personal information.

I understand why you want our money, but why do you want our personal data as well?



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27 Nov 2021, 8:15 pm

SharonB wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Not that I am complaining; I made a living for a short time casting horoscopes and flipping tarot cards.
Were you good at it? ...
Income was about 2x minimum wage at the time.  Enough for rent and food, not enough for a house.

I had regular customers, too.



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02 Dec 2021, 8:51 pm

Fnord wrote:
SharonB wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Not that I am complaining; I made a living for a short time casting horoscopes and flipping tarot cards.
Were you good at it? ...
Income was about 2x minimum wage at the time.  Enough for rent and food, not enough for a house.

I had regular customers, too.

You have dimension. :lol:



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03 Dec 2021, 9:39 am

SharonB wrote:
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SharonB wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Not that I am complaining; I made a living for a short time casting horoscopes and flipping tarot cards.
Were you good at it? ...
Income was about 2x minimum wage at the time.  Enough for rent and food, not enough for a house.  I had regular customers, too.
You have dimension.
Thank you.  Although I wonder if I would have any "dimension" at all if I had received an ASD diagnosis as a child and had been raised to believe I could do nothing.



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04 Dec 2021, 5:51 pm

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...I wonder if I would have any "dimension" at all if I had received an ASD diagnosis as a child and had been raised to believe I could do nothing.[/color]

It's sad when people are diminished. Happens too often.

Back to the original subject: I liked that the Enneagram results explained my type at its best. The worst sits forefront in my mind. As always, I am missing moderation. Oh darn, "More than any other type, Fours are acutely aware of and focused on their personal differences and deficiencies." I am the ever-suffering type apparently. I am sure that doesn't come out here at all. :twisted:



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04 Dec 2021, 5:54 pm

Apparently i am type six. Explains the anxiety and paranoia.



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05 Dec 2021, 10:50 am

I was bothered that I am an Engineer and Type 4 is supposedly not that ---- I find this "Fives are more likely to mistype as Fours than vice versa, primarily because of simplistic definitions of the types. Some Fives have learned that Fours are more feeling-oriented, and Fives are more intellectual, and seeing that they have deep feelings presume that they must be Fours. (This is especially true with female Fives.)" This is my whole struggle in IT. So I'm a 4w5 or 5w4. It's a Spectrum of Personality! Hahahahahaha.



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05 Dec 2021, 11:06 am

Whenever I take a different Enneagram survey, the results are always different.



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05 Dec 2021, 10:56 pm

^^ Ooooooo, I know statistically or circumstantially it could take a longer or not, but have you got Type 3 Giver yet? :D



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06 Dec 2021, 4:25 am

I normally don't like these tests but apparently I'm a 5 and reading the description is scarily accurate. :\