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08 Dec 2021, 5:52 am

she was mad they didn't give her the keys to the city.



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08 Dec 2021, 1:31 pm

Which woman?



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08 Dec 2021, 4:10 pm

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Which woman?


Kathleen Casillo.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 68622.html

She did a Brooks, except she was female/white. Up to 50 people were hit by her car. What amazed me was the prosecution were willing to cut a deal with her and she (incredibly) refused. As if she thought she was justified in attempted homicide.



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08 Dec 2021, 6:49 pm

A plea deal---for that?

Did anybody die in that occurrence? Not that none dead mitigates what she did.

It's really a b***h that one cannot charge somebody with homicide if no homicide occurred. She is one freaking lucky lady.



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08 Dec 2021, 6:59 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
A plea deal---for that?

Did anybody die in that occurrence? Not that none dead mitigates what she did.

It's really a b***h that one cannot charge somebody with homicide if no homicide occurred. She is one freaking lucky lady.


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Have you been on the happy juice, also? 8O :lmao:

Isn't there an "Attempted Homicide" charge available?

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Attempted homicide is a criminal act where someone tries to kill another human being. Various jurisdictions handle this charge in different ways, and there is no universal definition. It may also be known as attempted murder, depending on how the criminal code is drafted. Penalties can include prison time, fines, and liability for civil suits if it is possible for someone, usually the victim, to claim damages related to the act.

https://www.mylawquestions.com/what-is- ... %20drafted.



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08 Dec 2021, 7:02 pm

Attempted homicide is not completed homicide. There's less of a penalty for "attempted homicide," unfortunately.

One cannot get a life sentence without the possibility of parole for attempted murder in the United States.

Theoretically, one could get a life sentence with the possibility of parole for attempted murder--but, in practice, this doesn't often happen. The most frequent sentence I've seen is something like 8 1/3 to 25 years, with parole possible after the 8 1/3 years.



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08 Dec 2021, 7:13 pm

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Attempted homicide is not completed homicide. There's less of a penalty for "attempted homicide," unfortunately.

One cannot get a life sentence without the possibility of parole for attempted murder in the United States.

Theoretically, one could get a life sentence with the possibility of parole for attempted murder--but, in practice, this doesn't often happen. The most frequent sentence I've seen is something like 8 1/3 to 25 years, with parole possible after the 8 1/3 years.


But if she didn't murder anyone? :scratch:



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08 Dec 2021, 7:14 pm

Then it's "attempted murder," obviously :chin:

There's also such thing as "attempted manslaughter," if it can be proven that there was no actual intent to murder.



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08 Dec 2021, 7:20 pm

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But if she didn't murder anyone? :scratch:


Watch the video I posted, it's much worse than the Brooks video in that she accelerated into the protestors. Her motive was the same as Brooks except she took out more people.

It is remarkable nobody died. You can't sugar coat what she did.



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08 Dec 2021, 7:23 pm

At the very least, this would be first-degree aggravated vehicular assault in the first degree. The maximum penalty for this in NY State is 15 years per count.

In practical terms, if this happened in NY State, and this was her first offense, she would probably not get even 15 years if this case was not a "public" case.



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08 Dec 2021, 7:29 pm

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But if she didn't murder anyone? :scratch:


Watch the video I posted, it's much worse than the Brooks video in that she accelerated into the protestors. Her motive was the same as Brooks except she took out more people.

It is remarkable nobody died. You can't sugar coat what she did.


But if she didn't murder anyone? :scratch:

Mr Magoo, I am *not* defending her.
KK suggested it's a pity she can't be charged with murder.
She can't be charged with murder if she didn't murder anyone, can she? :scratch:

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Are you guys "Punking" me? 8O :mrgreen:



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08 Dec 2021, 7:34 pm

She deliberately plowed through 50 people. She's lucky no one died.

What kind of person would plow through a crowd with a motor vehicle?

A person similar to Mr. Brooks, I say! Whether she's conservative, liberal, Communist, Nazi, progressive, BLM, Antifa, whatever!

Obviously, I'm glad no one died----but her actions could have caused many deaths.



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08 Dec 2021, 7:35 pm

Why in the F-----would you use KKK to refer to me? I thought we were cool. Now you're being a total ass.



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08 Dec 2021, 8:09 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
She deliberately plowed through 50 people. She's lucky no one died.

What kind of person would plow through a crowd with a motor vehicle?

A person similar to Mr. Brooks, I say! Whether she's conservative, liberal, Communist, Nazi, progressive, BLM, Antifa, whatever!

Obviously, I'm glad no one died----but her actions could have caused many deaths.


You do realise I am not defending her, right?
I haven't even watched the video. 8)



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08 Dec 2021, 8:17 pm

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I haven't even watched the video. 8)


Watch the video I posted. Her intentions are the same as Brooks.



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08 Dec 2021, 8:20 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
She deliberately plowed through 50 people. She's lucky no one died.

What kind of person would plow through a crowd with a motor vehicle?

A person similar to Mr. Brooks, I say! Whether she's conservative, liberal, Communist, Nazi, progressive, BLM, Antifa, whatever!

Obviously, I'm glad no one died----but her actions could have caused many deaths.


I expect her charges will not be as serious as Brooks (who is probably never going to get probation) but what struck me was the prosecution trying to get to make a plea deal as if what she would say would somehow lessen the impact of her actions. Many people were seriously injured and may carry permanent debilitating injuries thanks to her rash decision to kill.