Hell yeah black Friday is here!
It's enough to be noticed, but not enough to be sure of the cause. I doubt it's entirely due to people choose to not spend, but it may turn out to be optimistic that it's entirely due to people spreading out their spending.
Hey do you want to illegalize Legos? Think of all the billions of small plastic parts they make every year those bastards!
When I was in gunsmithing school we'd sometimes get weird cases kind of like that, it would usually be a younger guy who had inherited a family gun and wanted some kind of work done to it to "modernize" it, and we'd try to explain that while we could do what he wanted, it would destroy the value of the gun and ruin a piece of history. It could be a beautiful vintage side by side shotgun that some kid wanted cut down to stash under his bed, a rare 1911 variant that someone wanted cut for modern sights and refinished so he could carry it, a mint condition military surplus rifle that someone wanted "sporterized" to hunt with, we'd always try to convince them to just get another gun for the purpose rather than destroying valuable collectable guns, but the answer was almost always something like "this was my pappy's gun and I'm going to use it how I want, don't tell me what to do!", so we'd shrug and destroy the value of their guns just like they wanted. I think one particular instructor might have refused a few jobs on principle, but generally we'd do it.
The old farmer I mentioned turned down a cash $10,000 offer on his pistol. The potential gun buyer would have likely offered higher, but he ran the guy off of his property with said gun. I met the farmer shortly after that happened and he was hopping mad that he had been approached that way. The farmer told him to not come back around his farm and he meant just that.
Farmers are very cautious with strangers in my hometown, especially ones with money. Outsides think they are just country bumpkins who do not know what things are worth. Want ads have been taken out in our local paper looking to buy things (1960s muscle cars, old comic books, Indian pottery, old guns, etc.) on the cheap by people out of state fishing for a steal of a deal. The majority of the town knows what things are valued at plus/minus 10%. You can thank the internet and pickers shows on tv for their knowledge base. Thirty years ago, you might be able to get away with great deals, but that time has long passed.
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It's enough to be noticed, but not enough to be sure of the cause. I doubt it's entirely due to people choose to not spend, but it may turn out to be optimistic that it's entirely due to people spreading out their spending.
Hey do you want to illegalize Legos? Think of all the billions of small plastic parts they make every year those bastards!
Lego actually has a pretty good record as far as trying to reduce environmental impacts go.
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Same thing happens to vehicles... they destroy the originality to make them shiny. In a row of vehicles I'll always go and look at the unrestored ones, they are the ones that interest me the most.
Things like this make me drool....
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Pro-touring removes the originality to improve the functionality.
Personally I'd much rather have EFI than a carburettor.
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Pro-touring removes the originality to improve the functionality.
Personally I'd much rather have EFI than a carburettor.
For the vast majority of classic & vintage vehicles fuel injection wouldn't be possible especially if they have an autovac based fuel system.
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Pro-touring removes the originality to improve the functionality.
Personally I'd much rather have EFI than a carburettor.
For the vast majority of classic & vintage vehicles fuel injection wouldn't be possible especially if they have an autovac based fuel system.
Depends on the era you're defining, because Holley and others sell EFI kits for a number of older American engines.
Also, I'd yank the old engine out entirely and put it into storage as a curiosity then replace it with something better like a Honda K, Nissan VQ or a GM LS (maybe a Ford Barra, but only in Australia). There's a number of '80s through modern era engines with lots of support for swapping and lots of aftermarket support for improving. There's no need to put more wear on something old with limited support and much shorter maintenance intervals.
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Pro-touring removes the originality to improve the functionality.
Personally I'd much rather have EFI than a carburettor.
For the vast majority of classic & vintage vehicles fuel injection wouldn't be possible especially if they have an autovac based fuel system.
Depends on the era you're defining, because Holley and others sell EFI kits for a number of older American engines.
Also, I'd yank the old engine out entirely and put it into storage as a curiosity then replace it with something better like a Honda K, Nissan VQ or a GM LS (maybe a Ford Barra, but only in Australia). There's a number of '80s through modern era engines with lots of support for swapping and lots of aftermarket support for improving. There's no need to put more wear on something old with limited support and much shorter maintenance intervals.
If you did that with an American muscle car, you would be kicked out of almost every car show for that specific brand of car here in the Midwest. The car clubs that I am a member of do not let members have non-brand specific engines in their cars, with the exception of vintage hot rods or rat rods. Going with a foreign engine will get you a permanent ban from those clubs. The same can be said of English, German or Italian cars with foreign engines installed. The one exception is the early Pantaras, which came with Ford 351s from the dealerships.
If you do not believe me, go stick a Honda engine in a BMW car and show it at an all BMW show. You will be likely be escorted off the premises when the hood is raised.
Same thing happens to vehicles... they destroy the originality to make them shiny. In a row of vehicles I'll always go and look at the unrestored ones, they are the ones that interest me the most.
Things like this make me drool....
Check out www.carsinbarns.com if you want to see something to make you cry.
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Pro-touring removes the originality to improve the functionality.
Personally I'd much rather have EFI than a carburettor.
For the vast majority of classic & vintage vehicles fuel injection wouldn't be possible especially if they have an autovac based fuel system.
Depends on the era you're defining, because Holley and others sell EFI kits for a number of older American engines.
Also, I'd yank the old engine out entirely and put it into storage as a curiosity then replace it with something better like a Honda K, Nissan VQ or a GM LS (maybe a Ford Barra, but only in Australia). There's a number of '80s through modern era engines with lots of support for swapping and lots of aftermarket support for improving. There's no need to put more wear on something old with limited support and much shorter maintenance intervals.
If you did that with an American muscle car, you would be kicked out of almost every car show for that specific brand of car here in the Midwest. The car clubs that I am a member of do not let members have non-brand specific engines in their cars, with the exception of vintage hot rods or rat rods. Going with a foreign engine will get you a permanent ban from those clubs. The same can be said of English, German or Italian cars with foreign engines installed. The one exception is the early Pantaras, which came with Ford 351s from the dealerships.
If you do not believe me, go stick a Honda engine in a BMW car and show it at an all BMW show. You will be likely be escorted off the premises when the hood is raised.
If you've never seen a modified or customized car at a car show I don't think you can act like you attend many car shows.
Personally I avoid one-make shows or anything that fixates on day-one restorations only because those shows are by and for unpleasant people who are more concerned about originality than fun, I'm sorry you've absorbed their terrible attitudes but you're not elite in any way for parroting those people.
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That sounds like some of the gun cloners I know, they pay huge premiums for obsolete, often inoperable gun accessories to build some very specific weapon, often from vintage photos of soldiers in the field (especially any kind of special forces), though sometimes even from movies or games, and it's not enough for the parts to look right, they have to be the real deal even if they don't work anymore. I've never quite understood it myself, I get that cool looking is cool looking even if it's not practical, but I don't get buying busted electronics or optics just to LARP like it's 1996 in Mogadishu, the money involved is just eye popping.
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Pro-touring removes the originality to improve the functionality.
Personally I'd much rather have EFI than a carburettor.
For the vast majority of classic & vintage vehicles fuel injection wouldn't be possible especially if they have an autovac based fuel system.
Depends on the era you're defining, because Holley and others sell EFI kits for a number of older American engines.
Also, I'd yank the old engine out entirely and put it into storage as a curiosity then replace it with something better like a Honda K, Nissan VQ or a GM LS (maybe a Ford Barra, but only in Australia). There's a number of '80s through modern era engines with lots of support for swapping and lots of aftermarket support for improving. There's no need to put more wear on something old with limited support and much shorter maintenance intervals.
If you did that with an American muscle car, you would be kicked out of almost every car show for that specific brand of car here in the Midwest. The car clubs that I am a member of do not let members have non-brand specific engines in their cars, with the exception of vintage hot rods or rat rods. Going with a foreign engine will get you a permanent ban from those clubs. The same can be said of English, German or Italian cars with foreign engines installed. The one exception is the early Pantaras, which came with Ford 351s from the dealerships.
If you do not believe me, go stick a Honda engine in a BMW car and show it at an all BMW show. You will be likely be escorted off the premises when the hood is raised.
If you've never seen a modified or customized car at a car show I don't think you can act like you attend many car shows.
Personally I avoid one-make shows or anything that fixates on day-one restorations only because those shows are by and for unpleasant people who are more concerned about originality than fun, I'm sorry you've absorbed their terrible attitudes but you're not elite in any way for parroting those people.
There is a huge difference between making internal modifications to an original equipment engine and outright replacing it with one from another brand of car. Purists (like me) that collect cars want originality in our cars. This can be backed with prices sold at major collector car auctions (Mecum, Barrett-Jackson, etc.). Survivor cars with the most original, non-modified parts bring the most money on the auction block. Heavily modified cars with non-brand engines bring the lowest price, right next to non-running project cars. It is simple math. If you want to keep the value up, you leave it alone. That is the voice of the collecting community on how a car should be kept.
As for the slam: I have been going to car shows since 1980. There was a national show that I attended as a honored guest for a specific brand that I am an expert on. I also helped organize a few local shows when I was in graduate school, so I know what goes into judging a class at a show. Having non-original parts will get your score dinged the most in the survivor class. At one of the shows, I got to ride in an real 1970 Hemi Cuda Convertible. It later sold at auction for $2,000,000+. It would not have sold for anywhere near that if it did not have the original 426 Hemi between the fenders.
That sounds like some of the gun cloners I know, they pay huge premiums for obsolete, often inoperable gun accessories to build some very specific weapon, often from vintage photos of soldiers in the field (especially any kind of special forces), though sometimes even from movies or games, and it's not enough for the parts to look right, they have to be the real deal even if they don't work anymore. I've never quite understood it myself, I get that cool looking is cool looking even if it's not practical, but I don't get buying busted electronics or optics just to LARP like it's 1996 in Mogadishu, the money involved is just eye popping.
The original equipment radiator for my 426 Hemi car costs $5000 to buy now. A reproduction (with correct codes) is currently $2000. Car collecting is not cheap anymore. Many collectors will not drive their restored cars on the street because of the potential cost of repairs if hit by someone uninsured. Too many people do not know how to drive.
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Pro-touring removes the originality to improve the functionality.
Personally I'd much rather have EFI than a carburettor.
For the vast majority of classic & vintage vehicles fuel injection wouldn't be possible especially if they have an autovac based fuel system.
Depends on the era you're defining, because Holley and others sell EFI kits for a number of older American engines.
Also, I'd yank the old engine out entirely and put it into storage as a curiosity then replace it with something better like a Honda K, Nissan VQ or a GM LS (maybe a Ford Barra, but only in Australia). There's a number of '80s through modern era engines with lots of support for swapping and lots of aftermarket support for improving. There's no need to put more wear on something old with limited support and much shorter maintenance intervals.
If you did that with an American muscle car, you would be kicked out of almost every car show for that specific brand of car here in the Midwest. The car clubs that I am a member of do not let members have non-brand specific engines in their cars, with the exception of vintage hot rods or rat rods. Going with a foreign engine will get you a permanent ban from those clubs. The same can be said of English, German or Italian cars with foreign engines installed. The one exception is the early Pantaras, which came with Ford 351s from the dealerships.
If you do not believe me, go stick a Honda engine in a BMW car and show it at an all BMW show. You will be likely be escorted off the premises when the hood is raised.
If you've never seen a modified or customized car at a car show I don't think you can act like you attend many car shows.
Personally I avoid one-make shows or anything that fixates on day-one restorations only because those shows are by and for unpleasant people who are more concerned about originality than fun, I'm sorry you've absorbed their terrible attitudes but you're not elite in any way for parroting those people.
There is a huge difference between making internal modifications to an original equipment engine and outright replacing it with one from another brand of car. Purists (like me) that collect cars want originality in our cars. This can be backed with prices sold at major collector car auctions (Mecum, Barrett-Jackson, etc.). Survivor cars with the most original, non-modified parts bring the most money on the auction block. Heavily modified cars with non-brand engines bring the lowest price, right next to non-running project cars. It is simple math. If you want to keep the value up, you leave it alone. That is the voice of the collecting community on how a car should be kept.
As for the slam: I have been going to car shows since 1980. There was a national show that I attended as a honored guest for a specific brand that I am an expert on. I also helped organize a few local shows when I was in graduate school, so I know what goes into judging a class at a show. Having non-original parts will get your score dinged the most in the survivor class. At one of the shows, I got to ride in an real 1970 Hemi Cuda Convertible. It later sold at auction for $2,000,000+. It would not have sold for anywhere near that if it did not have the original 426 Hemi between the fenders.
Personally I'm not concerned about cars collectability or their appeal to people who will keep them in storage, rarely if ever being enjoyed. I'm not at all concerned with how Mecums or Barrett-Jackson values a car. I care if it's fun and I care if it's able to be reliably enjoyed.
You're welcome to your preferences, but they sound like the preferences of people who view cars as investments. I don't share those preferences, I prefer tools to get used and enjoyed even if it means they get worn-out, modified or depreciate in value.
Purists (aka cork-sniffers) are just the elitists adjacent to car enthusiasts, their preferences and opinions only matter to them. Since my interest is in enjoying cars, not trying to flip them to some other speculator I don't care what the speculators prefer.
What's the point of a sports car you can't afford to enjoy?
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