Mass Shooting in Michigan High School

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02 Dec 2021, 10:09 pm

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A prosecutor considering criminal charges against the parents of a boy accused of killing four students at a Michigan school said Thursday their actions went “far beyond negligence” and that the gun “seems to have been just freely available” to the teenager.


Interesting, so why wasn't the "friend" who acquired a gun for Kyle Rittenhouse not charged?

Dominick Black (friend) was charged.

He was charged with two counts of providing a firearm to a minor, resulting in death.


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02 Dec 2021, 10:46 pm

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The gun “seems to have been just freely available” to the teenager.


“I just can’t get to a space right now to blame anybody who worked at that school. They were terrorized,” McDonald said.



What the hell is wrong with people?! 8O

I think I"m gonna be sick. ^^

Some tragedies are beyond words, and this is one of them.


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03 Dec 2021, 12:16 am

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cyberdad wrote:
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A prosecutor considering criminal charges against the parents of a boy accused of killing four students at a Michigan school said Thursday their actions went “far beyond negligence” and that the gun “seems to have been just freely available” to the teenager.


Interesting, so why wasn't the "friend" who acquired a gun for Kyle Rittenhouse not charged?

Dominick Black (friend) was charged.

He was charged with two counts of providing a firearm to a minor, resulting in death.


Ok thanks



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03 Dec 2021, 2:10 pm

Prosecutor files manslaughter charges against parents of suspect in Michigan school shooting

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A Michigan prosecutor on Friday filed involuntary manslaughter charges against the parents of the suspect in the suburban Detroit school shooting after she said they purchased the firearm for their son as a Christmas gift.

Jennifer and James Crumbley were each charged with four counts of involuntary manslaughter.

Crumbley had posted about the firearm online and researched ammunition while at school, McDonald said the investigation revealed. He was also allowed to return to class on the day of the shooting after the meeting with his parents, she said.

When asked whether her office was looking into charges for any school officials, McDonald said the investigation was ongoing.

McDonald said the suspect was present when his dad purchased the 9mm Sig Sauer SP 2022 on Nov. 26. The same day, the suspect posted photos of the weapon online, calling it his "new beauty." His mom said in a post the following day, "Mom and son day testing out his new Christmas present," McDonald said.

The 15-year-old suspect was also caught looking up ammunition online while at school before the shooting. McDonald said school officials contacted his mother about the online search, leaving a voicemail and email, but received no response. Crumbley's mother instead texted him the same day, "LOL I'm not mad at you. You have to learn not to get caught," McDonald said.

Hours before the shooting, Crumbley was found with a disturbing drawing that included a drawing of a firearm and someone who appeared to be bleeding, McDonald said.

A teacher took a photo of the drawing, and Crumbley's parents were immediately contacted. When the drawing was brought to a school counselor with Crumbley and his parents present, Crumbley had altered it, McDonald said.

A counselor told the parents their son needed to get counseling, but Crumbley was able to return to class. His parents did not ask him about the firearm at that time nor did they search his backpack, McDonald said.

After reports of the shooting at the school, Jennifer Crumbley texted her son, "Ethan don't do it," McDonald said. James Crumbley drove home to search for the firearm and called 911 to report it missing, saying he believed his son was the shooter, McDonald said.

Copycat threats circulated on social media and districts canceled classes Thursday out of caution for students' safety.

A 17-year-old student in Southfield, about 30 miles from Oxford High School, was arrested Thursday with a semi-automatic pistol. A bomb threat was also made at South Lake High School, about 45 miles from Oxford, and prompted a police investigation.


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03 Dec 2021, 3:15 pm

Four counts of involuntary manslaughter per parent.

That seems reasonable.

I hope it sticks.



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03 Dec 2021, 3:24 pm

Parents are on the run.

The FBI, US Marshalls, and Sheriff are looking for them.


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03 Dec 2021, 3:30 pm

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Parents are on the run.  The FBI, US Marshalls, and Sheriff are looking for them.
Link:  The search for the Michigan school shooting suspect's parents 

The Crumbleys were expected to be arraigned at 4 p.m. (EST) on Friday (2021-12-03) but stopped communicating with their attorney and are now considered to be on the run and a BOLO ("Be On the Look Out") has been issued.

Cowards.



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03 Dec 2021, 3:37 pm

Ethan was caught in school searching for ammunition on Monday, Nov. 29, the day before the attack.  In a text exchange, Willis said that James said "LOL, I'm not mad, you have to learn not to get caught."

on the morning of the shooting, a teacher found a note on Ethan's desk that read the following: "The thoughts won't stop. Help me."  In another section of the note was a drawing of a bullet with words: "Blood everywhere" and a person who appeared to have been shot and bleeding.

The note also read "my life is useless" and "the world is dead".

The result of that note was a meeting with parents, school officials, and Ethan that morning.  The counselor took the drawings, but most of the context above was scratched out.

In the meeting, the Crumbleys were shown the drawing and advised to get their son into counseling within 24 hours.  The prosecutor said they did not ask Ethan if he had his gun -- which was in his backpack in this meeting.

McDonald said they then resisted the idea of taking their son home that day.

At 1:22 p.m., 30 minutes after the first 911 call was placed, Jennifer texted her son the following: "Ethan don't do it".

At 1:37 p.m., James went home and searched for his Sig Sauer and then called 911 to report the missing gun.  On the 911 call, he said he believed his son was the shooter.


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03 Dec 2021, 3:45 pm

The terrorism charge and filing manslaughter against the parents are reaches at best unless there's something big we don't know, like his mom packed the gun in his backpack or something, and this prosecutor is really hamming it up for the media. Ughh.


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03 Dec 2021, 3:46 pm

Unfortunately, the parents did the wrong thing by becoming fugitives from justice.

I feel like they would have been offered some sort of plea bargain.



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03 Dec 2021, 3:49 pm

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The terrorism charge and filing manslaughter against the parents are reaches at best unless there's something big we don't know, like his mom packed the gun in his backpack or something, and this prosecutor is really hamming it up for the media.
They can be charged with even the most heinous of crimes; but it is always up to the jury to convict or dismiss.



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03 Dec 2021, 3:52 pm

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They can be charged with even the most heinous of crimes; but it is always up to the jury to convict or dismiss.


Prosecutors are not supposed to just throw as much sh*t as possible against the wall and see what sticks, they're supposed to seek justice, and filing gratuitous charges so they can grandstand to the media and set up their future political campaigns ain't that.


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03 Dec 2021, 4:03 pm

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They can be charged with even the most heinous of crimes; but it is always up to the jury to convict or dismiss.
Prosecutors are not supposed to just throw as much sh*t as possible against the wall and see what sticks, they're supposed to seek justice, and filing gratuitous charges so they can grandstand to the media and set up their future political campaigns ain't that.
While it is true that prosecutors are supposed to seek justice, the only "frivolous" charges are those for which there is insufficient supporting evidence.

Now, while neither you nor I happen to be lawyers, it is a fair claim that in such a high-profile case wherein the defendants' every action is well-documented, the charges as filed are far from frivolous.

Again, it will be up to the juries to dismiss or convict; but we both know that a judge with a pro-gun agenda can skew the jury selection and the directions given to the jury to result in a "Not Guilty on All Counts" verdict.

Armchair lawyering has no bearing on the matter.



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03 Dec 2021, 4:21 pm

A fugitive team is searching across the state [of Michigan] for the parents of the teen accused in the Oxford High School shooting.

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The Oakland County Sheriff’s Department on Friday, Dec. 3 said they were searching for James and Jennifer Crumbley.

They were supposed to turn themselves into authorities Friday, Dec. 3 with the help of their attorney, but did not.

Sheriff’s administrators said the attorney on Friday morning said she would make arrangements for their arrest should warrants be issued against them.  About noon Friday, Oakland County prosecutors issued warrants for four counts of involuntary manslaughter.

The attorney later Friday told police she had made repeated attempts to reach the couple, but was unable to do so.

"We have our Fugitive Apprehension Team, the FBI and the U.S. Marshals Service and others actively looking for them and have every expectation we'll have them in custody soon", Bouchard said.  "The action of fleeing and ignoring their attorney certainly adds weight to the charges.  They cannot run from their part in this tragedy."

The couple may be driving a black 2021 Kia Seltos SUV with the Michigan license plate number DQG 5203, police said.

Anyone with information about the couple's whereabouts should call the Sheriff’s Office at 248-858-4911.

Source:  This MLive News Article 



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03 Dec 2021, 4:28 pm

Fnord wrote:
Armchair lawyering has no bearing on the matter.


It's their way of feeling relevant / important.



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03 Dec 2021, 5:10 pm

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It's their way of feeling relevant / important.


Kinda like armchair psychology?


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