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07 Dec 2021, 9:34 am

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I wish Trump would be indicted already...
You certainly are NOT the only one here on WP who wants this to happen!
Strange how most of the WP members defending Trump do not even live in America.
You do have a good point, Sir Fnord!
Thank you, Sir AA.  Perhaps they would love to see America brought down to their level ... ?
You mean the level down under?
That is one way to say it.
Not hard to guess. There's what 3 Trump supporters with 2 from Australia. Vs what 6 anti-Trumps. I'm amazed there's so much activity here with so few people.
After reading through these two webpages:

 Link to a Listing of DONALD TRUMP's ATROCITIES 

 Link to a Timeline of DONALD TRUMP's COUP ATTEMPT 

I am surprised that any intelligent person would support Trump.



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07 Dec 2021, 11:24 am

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\almost half the country who have proven themselves to be delusional lemmings.


Exactly, its like "hey dudes" "Let's f**k up our country even worse and elect a sociopath to lead us"


In 2016: Better to have a sociopath than a woman as president


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07 Dec 2021, 11:27 am

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\almost half the country who have proven themselves to be delusional lemmings.
Exactly, its like "hey dudes" "Let's f**k up our country even worse and elect a sociopath to lead us"
In 2016: Better to have a sociopath than a woman as president
A narcissistic sociopath, Tex.

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07 Dec 2021, 11:45 am

Forty years of neoliberal policies and two parties that long ago abandoned the people in this country in favor of their corporate donors is how we got Trump.


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07 Dec 2021, 11:48 am

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Forty years of neoliberal policies and two parties that long ago abandoned the people in this country in favor of their corporate donors is how we got Trump.
So you casts your votes and you takes your chances -- politics is a craps game in more ways than one.



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07 Dec 2021, 11:51 am

Yep. We got Trump, sore loser extraordinaire……he’s just like that guy from Belarus.

If we elect Trump again, we are in big trouble.



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07 Dec 2021, 11:58 am

If Trump runs for election in 2024, it will be a de facto admission that he lost in 2020.



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07 Dec 2021, 12:27 pm

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Forty years of neoliberal policies and two parties that long ago abandoned the people in this country in favor of their corporate donors is how we got Trump.
So you casts your votes and you takes your chances -- politics is a craps game in more ways than one.


It's not a craps game at all. Good people have no chance of getting elected, so we end up only bad people.

We are pretty much replicating the model most late stage empires. History is a great teacher. We need to pay attention to it.


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07 Dec 2021, 12:38 pm

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Forty years of neoliberal policies and two parties that long ago abandoned the people in this country in favor of their corporate donors is how we got Trump.
So you casts your votes and you takes your chances -- politics is a craps game in more ways than one.
It's not a craps game at all. Good people have no chance of getting elected, so we end up only bad people.  We are pretty much replicating the model most late stage empires. History is a great teacher. We need to pay attention to it.
What good is paying attention if we can do nothing about it?



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07 Dec 2021, 12:56 pm

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Forty years of neoliberal policies and two parties that long ago abandoned the people in this country in favor of their corporate donors is how we got Trump.
So you casts your votes and you takes your chances -- politics is a craps game in more ways than one.
It's not a craps game at all. Good people have no chance of getting elected, so we end up only bad people.  We are pretty much replicating the model most late stage empires. History is a great teacher. We need to pay attention to it.
What good is paying attention if we can do nothing about it?


We can do something about. The people do have the power to change it. First we have to get out of the left right paradigm, educate ourselves on the mechanics of the system we're dealing with, hit the streets, and start scaring the s**t out of the ruling elite.

I've been involved in a few movements that saw some incremental changes. There is hope, but we need to push harder.


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07 Dec 2021, 12:59 pm

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Forty years of neoliberal policies and two parties that long ago abandoned the people in this country in favor of their corporate donors is how we got Trump.
So you casts your votes and you takes your chances -- politics is a craps game in more ways than one.
It's not a craps game at all. Good people have no chance of getting elected, so we end up only bad people.  We are pretty much replicating the model most late stage empires. History is a great teacher. We need to pay attention to it.
What good is paying attention if we can do nothing about it?
We can do something about.  The people do have the power to change it.  First we have to get out of the left right paradigm, educate ourselves on the mechanics of the system we're dealing with, hit the streets, and start scaring the s**t out of the ruling elite.  I've been involved in a few movements that saw some incremental changes.  There is hope, but we need to push harder.
How, exactly, do you plan on "scaring the s**t out of the ruling elite"?



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07 Dec 2021, 1:20 pm

Fnord wrote:
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Forty years of neoliberal policies and two parties that long ago abandoned the people in this country in favor of their corporate donors is how we got Trump.
So you casts your votes and you takes your chances -- politics is a craps game in more ways than one.
It's not a craps game at all. Good people have no chance of getting elected, so we end up only bad people.  We are pretty much replicating the model most late stage empires. History is a great teacher. We need to pay attention to it.
What good is paying attention if we can do nothing about it?
We can do something about.  The people do have the power to change it.  First we have to get out of the left right paradigm, educate ourselves on the mechanics of the system we're dealing with, hit the streets, and start scaring the s**t out of the ruling elite.  I've been involved in a few movements that saw some incremental changes.  There is hope, but we need to push harder.
How, exactly, do you plan on "scaring the s**t out of the ruling elite"?


When Nixon was in the White House, there was a massive crowd outside protesting the Vietnam War. He afraid they were going to break in and get them all. Granted, Nixon was a paranoid personality. Still...it's what we need to do in even larger numbers.


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07 Dec 2021, 1:23 pm

VegetableMan wrote:
Fnord wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
Fnord wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
Fnord wrote:
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Forty years of neoliberal policies and two parties that long ago abandoned the people in this country in favor of their corporate donors is how we got Trump.
So you casts your votes and you takes your chances -- politics is a craps game in more ways than one.
It's not a craps game at all. Good people have no chance of getting elected, so we end up only bad people.  We are pretty much replicating the model most late stage empires. History is a great teacher. We need to pay attention to it.
What good is paying attention if we can do nothing about it?
We can do something about.  The people do have the power to change it.  First we have to get out of the left right paradigm, educate ourselves on the mechanics of the system we're dealing with, hit the streets, and start scaring the s**t out of the ruling elite.  I've been involved in a few movements that saw some incremental changes.  There is hope, but we need to push harder.
How, exactly, do you plan on "scaring the s**t out of the ruling elite"?
When Nixon was in the White House, there was a massive crowd outside protesting the Vietnam War. He afraid they were going to break in and get them all. Granted, Nixon was a paranoid personality. Still...it's what we need to do in even larger numbers.
I am sure the people who failed to make Trump's coup attempt successful feel the same way.



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07 Dec 2021, 1:30 pm

Fnord wrote:
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Fnord wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
Fnord wrote:
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Fnord wrote:
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Forty years of neoliberal policies and two parties that long ago abandoned the people in this country in favor of their corporate donors is how we got Trump.
So you casts your votes and you takes your chances -- politics is a craps game in more ways than one.
It's not a craps game at all. Good people have no chance of getting elected, so we end up only bad people.  We are pretty much replicating the model most late stage empires. History is a great teacher. We need to pay attention to it.
What good is paying attention if we can do nothing about it?
We can do something about.  The people do have the power to change it.  First we have to get out of the left right paradigm, educate ourselves on the mechanics of the system we're dealing with, hit the streets, and start scaring the s**t out of the ruling elite.  I've been involved in a few movements that saw some incremental changes.  There is hope, but we need to push harder.
How, exactly, do you plan on "scaring the s**t out of the ruling elite"?
When Nixon was in the White House, there was a massive crowd outside protesting the Vietnam War. He afraid they were going to break in and get them all. Granted, Nixon was a paranoid personality. Still...it's what we need to do in even larger numbers.
I am sure the people who failed to make Trump's coup attempt successful feel the same way.


Probably. But their actions were based on BS, not reality.


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07 Dec 2021, 3:35 pm

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If Trump runs for election in 2024, it will be a de facto admission that he lost in 2020.


He'll attribute the election of 2020 to conspiracies and fake news and 75 million people will say "yeah whatever he says"



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07 Dec 2021, 3:36 pm

cyberdad wrote:
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If Trump runs for election in 2024, it will be a de facto admission that he lost in 2020.


He'll attribute the election of 2020 to fake news and 75 million people will say "yeah whatever he says"


Yeah obviously