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skrish234
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07 Dec 2021, 2:31 pm

Even my stupid 504 plan says that. I don't even need it, I can get by without it.



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07 Dec 2021, 3:12 pm

Humour on :

"you need to be more social"
"No, you need to get out less and find an all consuming interest"
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07 Dec 2021, 11:36 pm

Actually one of the reasons I don't go to the drop in right now is lots of dry coughs there....

But anyway, I sometimes wish to be social, sometimes don't...

But I wish to be social with people with similar interests, but I find that many find me too intense...

I play Pokemon to take my mind off trauma... birds have been with me forever... But when people realize my interests go way over the top... Even people interested in the topic get turned off...

Except some of the people in my FB groups... Some of them go beyond me... If the topic comes up many are autistic... 8O


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08 Dec 2021, 12:12 am

according to your post you are thirty nine years old.

if you have made it that long and far without being too social, you do not need to be more social (unless, of course, your situation changed in some extreme way that requires you to be more social. for example, customer service job)

psychologists have been telling me things like that since i was about 18 (when i first started going to psychologists).

now i am 38.

all things equal, if i were more social, my "life" would have been better. (fine).

however, not all things are equal.

nobody is perfect.

things are not always the way they appear.

you might socialize with the wrong person, and then the results could be pretty bad.

failure to socialize with the correct person, is better than socializing with the wrong person.

and besides, how much better would my "life" have been, if i were more social? cost benefit analysis.

for autistics, the "cost" of being social is larger than the "cost" of being social, for neurotypicals.

for autistics, the "benefit" of being social is smaller than the "benefit" of being social, for neurotypicals.

every situation is different

the greatest strategy in one situation, is not the greatest situation in a different situation


every situation is constantly changing



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08 Dec 2021, 5:05 am

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Angnix wrote:
I mean, moving back to my old county they're doing a good job adjusting my meds, but they're being bossy to me.

First up is them keep suggesting I go to the drop-in center, a social place for the mentally ill... But ummm I met my former husband there, most of the people I don't get along with etc... I mean also it's getting really cold outside, it's not very far away but still I don't wanna pay for bus rides there. I'm telling them Im fine spending time alone, socializing in the internet. Plus when I get too social, I get involved in others problems and they drag me into them...



Who is "they" ?

Suggestions don't mean anything. You don't need to do anything you don't want to do, apart from medical treatment.

After my stroke when I was still using a walker, the Rehab Social Worker tried to bully me into joining a social group for stroke recovery patients near my house. The kind where you drop in and play cards or sit on uncomfortable chairs drinking bad, lukewarm tea. She couldn't believe I would rather sit home doing nothing or relaxing than socialising with a bunch of strangers who were likely 30 years older than I was. At first I made excuses but I finally realised it's none of her bloody business how I spend my time, and I didn't have to listen to her.

You have good reasons not to go, even though you have no obligation to explain yourself. On top of everything else, what about Covid? Why would people be meeting in groups during Covid?

This incident reminds me of a recent thing that happened to me. The doctor I had for my broken meniscus tried to convince me to quickly get injectable procedure which was very expensive on my part and he had no gear for. I asked where's the ultrasound? Nurse goes like "What ultrasound?" and he starts saying that there needs not be an ultrasound that ultrasounds dont see inside the knee when all tests dated and that this procedure is based on have been done with ultrasound and cabinets which do it suggest it only be done so.

This scary old village house without gear on my knee 1 day before my trip to Vienna which he rushed me into which could give me an infection to my knee which would leave me unable to walk and damage my meniscus further? And then he gets angry and states the internet data BS thing.

A day earlier he appears at the cabinet with a bloody joker tshirt like the creep that he is instead of wearing professional attire like the others.

Honestly a lot of stress before my Vienna trip which also affected my relationship more than it needed to be at that stressful point. Like my fiance said "who suggests interventions before a trip?" and like the driver said "they often try to rush you into procedures so you dont have the time to think it through" besides i dont think he was even qualified when i read what hes supposed to do for that job, and the experience he had was doing it on "blind" how the heck can that be called experience. You dont know if it was successful as it needs to be exactly in the broken fragment, which he previously said himself.

I'm so glad I never went through with it. I was sitting right there on the bed with the nurse by. He didn't even give me a diagnosis the day before. All I had was the MRI diagnosis and film which he looked at which states degradable damage 1st and 2nd degree. He said 1 shot could cure it forever if I do it "now."


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08 Dec 2021, 5:13 am

Angnix wrote:
But I wish to be social with people with similar interests, but I find that many find me too intense...

I play Pokemon to take my mind off trauma... birds have been with me forever... But when people realize my interests go way over the top... Even people interested in the topic get turned off...


You are my twin :lol: I have the same problem... also love Pokemon and birds. To the extent that I've memorised most of the different bird calls where I live so I can identify them by hearing them.

When I find people with the same interests I eventually realise they do not have the same intensity of interest and I think that's the main reason why I struggle socially.

I seem to flip-flop between being extremely withdrawn to being over the top and I can't seem to find the right balance to appear "normal" to other people.



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08 Dec 2021, 2:38 pm

A minority opinion most likely; but I don't need to be more social. I need to be the most "searching for" and "being" of the most authentic "me" that there can be!!



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08 Dec 2021, 6:52 pm

I don't feel an impending need to be "social" myself.....



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09 Dec 2021, 1:13 pm

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It has been my experience that there are so many pDocs who get into the field to escape their own mental health issues. i.e., With all these letters after my name, I must be okay!

If you are getting eight hours of sleep per night, you are so far ahead of the curve that it is foolish, of your Doc, to not just accept that as a very large win and let it go, in my opinion. One could certainly make the argument re: circadian rhythms et al but seriously, the cup is way, way more than halfway full. As for the socialization aspect, I just wrote this in my journal and thought you may relate. I hadn't actually planned on anyone reading this when I wrote it so please forgive the 'best in the world' comment if you like. :oops: Too, I often share journal entries with my therapist and so when I speak about 'our session' that would be the reference.

In the game of solitaire, if I asked, I can explain what mathematical-based advantage prompted me to make the move I did, at any time. It’s what makes me, very probably, the best solitaire player in the world. Of course, I’m not perfect. It isn’t about being perfect; I know I’ll never achieve perfection. But, it is about getting close enough to perfect to make God blink. I socialize the same way.

I’m calculating – she’s having a conversation. Judging from her physical signals, she thinks we’ve bonded; and frankly, I’m hopeful as I head home, unpacking or processing as I go. I don’t know if I like her. The only thing I know about her at that point is her physical appearance, which is of the least importance to me.

As I unpack this, I’m experiencing a recording of the conversation, she and I just had. I’m hearing her for the first time. I’m also personally feeling the emotional impact of her words for the first time. Despite even a strong display of surprise or humor, indignation or anger by me – I was simply mirroring the other person’s presence through their words, tone, intonation, facial expressions, body language, etc. Classical acting as opposed to method acting. In addition to hearing and feeling, I’m thinking about the dialogue. Where I might have gone off track, if that error had fallout? Why she chose to say ‘it’ that way, with the emotional double entendre? Finally, I arrive at the unmistakable conclusion; she likes me. And, I’ve decided, I like her too.

That is awesome! It is also thirty-five minutes later, I’m in front of my home, and I didn’t give her number because… After the thirty-five-minute conversation she and I had, I had no idea she liked me. I’m sorry, wasn’t the question, “Why don’t you go out and meet some people?” I go through life, like I play solitaire. Solitaire is a diversion because it is my experience of life, without consequences and hence, anxiety. Solitaire is my Prozac. It has all the drawbacks, too. Eliminate anxiety and with it, anticipation and excitement for life. Balance, like life itself, isn’t static. I’m constantly questioning where the line is so I make sure we don’t go over it.

Anyway, that’s how I go through life. I’m calculating constantly. It’s how I have conversations in real time fluidly. I am not feeling the words coming out of my mouth, they’re coming from the computer brain. I’m constantly calculating what you said and what it means, while calculating your body language and facial expressions. Then I can start calculating what I’m going to say, in what tone of voice along with my body language and facial expressions. That’s the reason, that so often I come back in our next session asking for clarification. It’s because I didn’t hear it when we were together, I downloaded it once it was over.


This is insanely insightful. Who on Earth are you?



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09 Dec 2021, 1:21 pm

blitzkrieg wrote:
This is insanely insightful. Who on Earth are you?


Thanks. :) I'm Angel; newly diagnosed (Oct. 13th, 2021) with ASD lvl 2.



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09 Dec 2021, 1:22 pm

Nah....Angel doesn't need to be more "social" than he already is! :P



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09 Dec 2021, 1:22 pm

AngelL wrote:
blitzkrieg wrote:
This is insanely insightful. Who on Earth are you?


Thanks. :) I'm Angel; newly diagnosed (Oct. 13th, 2021) with ASD lvl 2.


You are very intelligent, Angel.



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09 Dec 2021, 6:22 pm

I'm sure it could be a great thing if a person could acquire a large number of staunch, genuine, supportive friends. But there's more to achieving that than just going to a drop-in centre and winging it. What's missing is advice on how to do it and how to do it safely. Plus, if you're happy as you are, why mess with it?

Going to bed by 11pm essential for human happiness? I'd love to know how anybody would draw that conclusion. As you say, you need a certain amount of sleep, and as long as you get that, it doesn't much matter when you sleep, as long as you're awake when you need to be.

It sounds to me like they're just glibly making up advice off the cuff without due diligence or proper attention to detail.