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19 Dec 2021, 9:14 pm

Hey all,

So I recently did an official IQ test (standardised, mass administered) and am currently trying to dissect how it was scored since I don't have the full break down report yet. I got put in the 98th percentile, with a score of 130. At this point I'm more comfortable with the 98th percentile than the actual IQ number, as that changes depending on what test you do.

I have a couple of questions about this.

1) If you've done IQ tests or are knowledgeable about them, would a learning disability that slows down processing significantly impact the final score?

I was diagnosed with ASD and ADD though I don't know which one causes my slow processing. I only know that in some things I'm far slower than most, often with things most people would call simple or common sense. This becomes less of an issue after it goes up in complexity.

2) Would doing another IQ test in an individual environment score fairer/better since learning disabilities can be accounted for?

Lastly, this is less strictly IQ and more on the social side of things:

3) I've been doing a lot of reading and commonly an IQ of 130 is said to have no problem in a social context, feeling understood and so on. They are meant to be smart enough to understand and connect with anyone. Is this true mostly for neurotypicals?

I can't relate to this at all and have struggled most my life being understood. I'm incredibly lonely, partly because I'm a hermit, partly because it's genuinely hard to find someone I'm on the same wavelength with.

I initially thought this could be IQ related since there's enough stuff floating around that the higher your IQ is, the harder it is to find relatable people. Now I'm thinking it's the ASD and that it's affecting me a lot more than I thought it did.

Basically some things don't match up to the literature I read and it bugs the hell out of me.



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20 Dec 2021, 2:08 am

well I did take one IQ test that said only those with a 140 IQ or better could pass and I passed. but my therapist who i have spent multiple hours with think my true iq is at least 140 to 160 or more prolly.She wanted me to be in MENSA but we both agreed it would not of been good for me so I did not.I was diagnosed with Aspergers as a adult.I think that someone could be as smart as Stephen Hawking and not do so well on IQ test if they were on spectrum and their brain was affected in just the right way.Not many people understand me.I am just offering you my IQ test experience because you asked.



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20 Dec 2021, 6:18 am

Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
well I did take one IQ test that said only those with a 140 IQ or better could pass and I passed. but my therapist who i have spent multiple hours with think my true iq is at least 140 to 160 or more prolly.She wanted me to be in MENSA but we both agreed it would not of been good for me so I did not.I was diagnosed with Aspergers as a adult.I think that someone could be as smart as Stephen Hawking and not do so well on IQ test if they were on spectrum and their brain was affected in just the right way.Not many people understand me.I am just offering you my IQ test experience because you asked.


Thanks for the response! I really appreciate all you put down. It's interesting to see how differently you can score based on if you have specific brain conditions. This is partly why I'm thinking if I should have another individualised test done, especially since I want to go back to university and may need some academic support for my ASD and ADD.

By not many people understanding you, do you think this is because of your IQ, the Asperger's or a mix? I'm trying to get more insight on how wildly actual IQ/how this affects life vs tested IQ can differ, since I supposedly fall into the window where I shouldn't have any problem getting close to people, but this hasn't been true for me.



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20 Dec 2021, 7:05 am

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Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
well I did take one IQ test that said only those with a 140 IQ or better could pass and I passed. but my therapist who i have spent multiple hours with think my true iq is at least 140 to 160 or more prolly.She wanted me to be in MENSA but we both agreed it would not of been good for me so I did not.I was diagnosed with Aspergers as a adult.I think that someone could be as smart as Stephen Hawking and not do so well on IQ test if they were on spectrum and their brain was affected in just the right way.Not many people understand me.I am just offering you my IQ test experience because you asked.


Thanks for the response! I really appreciate all you put down. It's interesting to see how differently you can score based on if you have specific brain conditions. This is partly why I'm thinking if I should have another individualised test done, especially since I want to go back to university and may need some academic support for my ASD and ADD.

By not many people understanding you, do you think this is because of your IQ, the Asperger's or a mix? I'm trying to get more insight on how wildly actual IQ/how this affects life vs tested IQ can differ, since I supposedly fall into the window where I shouldn't have any problem getting close to people, but this hasn't been true for me.

I think its a combination because I just cant relate to most people mentally because of the whole being so smart.I am basically like someone who is really extroverted so I dont have trouble socially because of my Asperger's really with people outside of my family or at least I dont think so.Although I dont always comply with a social rule or convention if I dont agree with it.Which may be part of my IQ or Aspergers kind of like how Greta Thurnberg speaks her mind to power I speak my mind to my churches religious authorities and I dont have the groupthink of the typical church of Christ person who agrees with the traditional church of Christ on every issue.I think my IQ and Asperger's have resulted me into being a free-thinker that most cant understand.Like they dont understand things I can do as talents or savant skills.Like people dont understand how I can understand the stock market and personal finance or speak in front of thousands.People also dont understand that I can do Algebra in my head or have near-photographic memory or be able to remember someone's name years later.
I think a lot of it is due to both because my dad is undiagnosed on the spectrum officially but he is very smart and just didnt do very well on IQ test he thought.My mom was the same way.Like I started studying science as a 3 year old so people would not of understood for that either.People dont understand how i can analyze stocks.What kind of degree are you trying to get?Like IQ test can vary widely for people on the spectrum like in my case.Like I dont think people understood my scientific ability as a kid because I even went to state science fair.But my my grandfather never did understood my Asperger's even though he was prolly on the spectrum and his dad was prolly on it too.My grandfather was always thought I was a lazy bum for not having a job and being unemployed and that sort of thing.You are welcome.What kind of services do colleges in Australia have for those of us on the spectrum?

And I have even heard of krazy brain stories of traumatic brain injury making people into geniuses if the injury affects that part of the brain just right.I may also have dyscalculia which totally ruined the path I was going to take in life because I could not do abstract math like vector calculus or differential equations.I am kind of like Sheldon Cooper just a lot more extroverted and a lot less stereotypical.Like I can make friends and all but right now i just have different priorties than having a social life and spending time with my friends because I am trying to build a company and save every dollar I can even though I am a ENTJ.I also think people dont understand me because I have ENFJ traits.Like I do really well in social situations in public.People also dont understand me because i would rather get into a heated debate or argument in person.Also people dont understand my lack of consumerism because of my IQ perhaps because I realize that I get more money in retirement if I know about math and compound interest.



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20 Dec 2021, 8:23 am

Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
I think its a combination because I just cant relate to most people mentally because of the whole being so smart.I am basically like someone who is really extroverted so I dont have trouble socially because of my Asperger's really with people outside of my family or at least I dont think so.Although I dont always comply with a social rule or convention if I dont agree with it.Which may be part of my IQ or Aspergers kind of like how Greta Thurnberg speaks her mind to power I speak my mind to my churches religious authorities and I dont have the groupthink of the typical church of Christ person who agrees with the traditional church of Christ on every issue.I think my IQ and Asperger's have resulted me into being a free-thinker that most cant understand.Like they dont understand things I can do as talents or savant skills.Like people dont understand how I can understand the stock market and personal finance  or speak in front of thousands.People also dont understand that I can do Algebra in my head or have near-photographic memory or be able to remember someone's name years later.
I think a  lot of it is due to both because my dad is undiagnosed on the spectrum officially but he is very smart and just didnt do very well on IQ test he thought.My mom was the same way.Like I started studying science as a 3 year old so people would not of understood for that either.People dont understand how i can analyze stocks.What kind of degree are you trying to get?Like IQ test can vary widely for people on the spectrum like in my case.Like I dont think people understood my scientific ability as a kid because I even went to state science fair.But my my grandfather never did understood my Asperger's even though he was prolly on the spectrum and his dad was prolly on it too.My grandfather was always thought I was a lazy bum for not having a job and being unemployed and that sort of thing.You are welcome.What kind of services do colleges in Australia have for those of us on the spectrum?

And I have even heard of krazy brain stories of traumatic brain injury making people into geniuses if the injury affects that part of the brain just right.I may also have dyscalculia which totally ruined the path I was going to take in life because I could not do abstract math like vector calculus or differential equations.I am kind of like Sheldon Cooper just a lot more extroverted and a lot less stereotypical.Like I can make friends and all but right now i just have different priorties than having a social life and spending time with my friends because I am trying to build a company and save every dollar I can even though I am a ENTJ.I also think people dont understand me because I have ENFJ traits.Like I do really well in social situations in public.People also dont understand me because i would rather get into a heated debate or argument  in person.Also people dont understand my lack of consumerism because of my IQ perhaps because I realize that I get more money in retirement if I know about math and compound interest.


I definitely don't have an IQ as high as that - I know I'm smart but smart enough to know I'm not anything genius level, as what you've said. Truly remarkable things take effort for me, not as much as for someone more average maybe, but definitely active application. I'm not a savant either. But I do relate to being misunderstood because I think for myself and can't share deep thoughts or conversations with the majority of people I meet, not even those considered conventionally smart. I'm going to guess my true IQ is 135-140ish, which would fit better with who I actually can have a good conversation with. I think my difficulty explaining things simply sometimes influences this too, which could be just me thing. It's just really difficult to find people who understand me the way I understand them, and connect mentally without needing to constantly explain myself. This is the main issue I run into on the social side.

My short term memory is terrible but I have great long term memory, not quite photographic either, though I have been asked if I have it. Like you, I can hold on to names, images or specific instances etc for a very long time. I'm not a purely visual thinker, but most things I see do stick in my head like fuzzy pictures for a short while. Basic algebra in my head is doable but I can't do that with the more advanced stuff. I don't play the stock market but I could if I really applied myself. Basically, I'm aware enough of what I'm able to learn if I actively tried, but it's not something I can do without conscious effort. I can't naturally "see" things the way you seem to.

My family is also full of quite intelligent people and mental illness, plus I'm pretty sure ASD runs on my mother's side. She may have Asperger's like I do, like her brother might (who is likely a literal genius but was never tested), and her mother who may have low functioning autism. None of them were ever tested for anything and most didn't have the opportunity to go to university. My mother is the only one who was supported to go. My father is a neurosurgeon who likely has NPD and is probably the "dumbest" out of my whole family, objectively speaking.

I didn't get tested as anything for a child though in hindsight there were a few signs that i should have a least been tested for ASD and ADD. I only know it now because I went to get diagnosed as adult, but without testing.

I want to do biomedical engineering. I don't know everything support would include but I know I should at least be able to get deadline extensions on assignments easier than without support.

Are you in Australia as well? Your profile shows Texas.



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20 Dec 2021, 5:27 pm

No I am in the United States.



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21 Dec 2021, 2:54 am

Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
No I am in the United States.


My bad, I misunderstood something you asked earlier. I thought you were asking what resources are available for us in Australia, as in we are both here, not as in both of us on the spectrum. Thanks for confirming!



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21 Dec 2021, 3:09 am

Standardised global intelligence tests are being discouraged because they aren't accurate measures of intelligence
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/iq-scores- ... udy-shows/

Ironically MENSA aren't that clever for continuing to use the WISC or WAIS as global intelligence measures :lol:



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21 Dec 2021, 4:40 am

I've always struggled to interact with others.Over 11 years on Facebook I managed to have 56 friends. That's more than trebled since joining high IQ groups in 2020. Pre teen- 147 Iq. High range send to- 147-148. Tests by a psychometrician- 148. I'd say I fall within the 143-153 range.I personally don't buy into the ' I can't talk to many people because I'm so clever' school of thought.


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21 Dec 2021, 4:55 am

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Gosh. You ought to go on Jeopardy.



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Gosh. You ought to go on Jeopardy.

That reminds me when I was in school we would play our version of Jeopardy to get ready for exams on 2 teams.I was always picked first and the teacher had to put me on the opposite team each round just to give the other team a fighting chance at winning my memory was so good and the opposing team would always lose .But the first IQ test i took I was average.



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22 Dec 2021, 3:28 am

I'd be absolutely useless on such a game due to slow speed of response.


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firemonkey wrote:
I'd be absolutely useless on such a game due to slow speed of response.


What's your score on the Vineland Adaptive Behaviour Scale?



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I think my memory is like in the top 1 percent of the population and my number sense like with arithmetic and mental math is within the top 1 percent.I would read long chapters in college text books one time and make A's on all the exams at university.I graduated with close to a 4.0 GPA from college and I made a 100 on one of my final exams in high school.But both times I officially tested my IQ was 100 but my cousin said that I am the smartest member of the familiy.I wanted to work at Los Alamos in New Mexico or Pantex in Amarillo, Texas as a nuclear physicist possibly but I was not good at hard core abstract math.However I did discover a new part of algebra that never discovered that i know of and my math tutor confirmed it was a total new way of solving a algebra problem.So I was a mathemitician who invented a new way to solve a certain kind of algebra problem.I just never had good algebra teachers but i was better at geometry and I made a A in my math class for the year I graduated.But I know this is a humble brag but I was just trying to answer your question accurately.I was in the top 7 percent of my high school graduating class.



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firemonkey wrote:
I'd be absolutely useless on such a game due to slow speed of response.

Ya I would just recall the answers to trivia questions instantly a lot of the time and retain the info for years and even decades at a time.Like i was responding with lightning-speed with 90 to 100 percent accuracy in that game.One time I got a better grade on the science test than our science teacher.Another I got sent to the principal's office because i made a rival aspie student so mad by beating him in one on one science trivia game in front of the class.I almost made a perfect score on the general knowledge portion of the IQ test and the one I missed was a real easy question that I just never knew the answer of.One time I made the highest grade on a exam in the entire 7th grade graduating class.



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22 Dec 2021, 6:01 am

cyberdad wrote:
firemonkey wrote:
I'd be absolutely useless on such a game due to slow speed of response.


What's your score on the Vineland Adaptive Behaviour Scale?


A good question. I've never done it. Is it available online? What I can say is that I struggle with practical tasks of daily living.


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