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15 Jan 2022, 7:49 am

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How the hell are you supposed to maintain sanity, with all this insane s**t going on? like when the world is insane how do you keep your sanity? I guess I am just trying to pretend its all normal, i got a job so I will have to start focusing on that and hope it goes well, but I am still worried about fascism Just never really thought I'd see the day that was on the table for this country but well when trump became president everything changed, I guess.

But yeah I guess how do you stay sane, when the whole rest of the world seems insane? Is it now normal to just feel insane...idk none of it makes any sense anymore.


Staying off the internet helps. Lol!

But yeah. Am older than you and I never seen a political scene anything like what we have now. Not just polarization, but a total lack of common currency on what is truth.



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15 Jan 2022, 8:05 am

Truth is in short supply in mainstream media. Even GB news proverbially waters down everything.



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19 Jan 2022, 9:30 pm

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^^ Having jobs is a symptom of a sick economy. We should OWN our jobs, in worker co-ops and small businesses. Fortunately, the gig economy is getting people back to using their wits to fulfill niche markets.


Having owned a small business, that's easier said than done. The state, or at least my state, makes it much harder than it needs to be, and has their hand out at every step for their cut, plus you're on the hook for any losses, but if you do actually manage to turn a profit, the state is right there for their piece. It's like the opposite of what happened with the big banks and brokers in 2007, private profits and socialized risk, even though making it easier to start a business should be in their interest to generate jobs and incomes that contribute to the economy that broadens their tax base.


Aye, because everything is rigged for the fat cats. It is a sick economy. Capitalism is designed to wind up with one owner for everything, and it is getting closer every year.


But I thought capitalism was supposed to be a system where individuals can have their own successes. If the system is set up so that the government can take big pieces out of the pie, and take their chunks, wouldn't that be a more socialist system, compared to capitalist? Therefore is the problem more socialist and that's the problem, when it needs to be more capitalist, which means the government has less ability to take as much of a cut?



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19 Jan 2022, 9:53 pm

^^ In the textbooks, the butcher, the baker, and the candlestick maker are all independent businessmen trading on a level field, and competing against others in their trade. In reality, before long, one competitor gets ahead through chance, and this sets up a positive feedback, driving out the competition.
This has created such extreme wealth that the rich now control governments. Popular programs that people vote for don't get passed, and much of the tax money winds up going to the rich one way or another, with a cut for "campaign expenses" to the politicians.



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21 Jan 2022, 9:52 pm

ironpony wrote:
Dear_one wrote:
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Dear_one wrote:
^^ Having jobs is a symptom of a sick economy. We should OWN our jobs, in worker co-ops and small businesses. Fortunately, the gig economy is getting people back to using their wits to fulfill niche markets.


Having owned a small business, that's easier said than done. The state, or at least my state, makes it much harder than it needs to be, and has their hand out at every step for their cut, plus you're on the hook for any losses, but if you do actually manage to turn a profit, the state is right there for their piece. It's like the opposite of what happened with the big banks and brokers in 2007, private profits and socialized risk, even though making it easier to start a business should be in their interest to generate jobs and incomes that contribute to the economy that broadens their tax base.


Aye, because everything is rigged for the fat cats. It is a sick economy. Capitalism is designed to wind up with one owner for everything, and it is getting closer every year.


But I thought capitalism was supposed to be a system where individuals can have their own successes. If the system is set up so that the government can take big pieces out of the pie, and take their chunks, wouldn't that be a more socialist system, compared to capitalist? Therefore is the problem more socialist and that's the problem, when it needs to be more capitalist, which means the government has less ability to take as much of a cut?

Socialism and crony capitalism aren't the same thing. Socialism and social democracy also aren't the same thing. It's really impossible to have a logical discussion on anything when definitions are so vague and variable.

As for the real issue, even the most minimalist capitalism will have some rules and regulations defining the boundaries. The problem is it is difficult for a government captured by big monopoly capital to come up with rules and regulations that are fair. I also think that applying rules and regulations to businesses the same way you would apply them to individuals is grossly unfair, but that is what this country tends to do.



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22 Jan 2022, 3:14 am

I'm expecting that government leaders are going to become figureheads whose sole role is to tell us via. the media whatever it is the big corporations and multi-millionaires have decided is best for the continuation of business and the making of profits.

Or maybe we're there already?



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22 Jan 2022, 8:04 pm

One of the problems with politics nowadays is that a lot of people in society are okay with hypocrisy and I think that's the main route of the problems. A lot of people throw around words like racist, sexist, etc, but no one throws around the word hypocritical near as much. Sure racism and sexism are bad, but why is hypocrisy still acceptable...



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23 Jan 2022, 9:31 am

ironpony wrote:
One of the problems with politics nowadays is that a lot of people in society are okay with hypocrisy and I think that's the main route of the problems. A lot of people throw around words like racist, sexist, etc, but no one throws around the word hypocritical near as much. Sure racism and sexism are bad, but why is hypocrisy still acceptable...


Care to offer any examples?



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23 Jan 2022, 9:41 am

It's hard to know where to start there is so many. For example, when Trump encites an insurrection, everything thinks of it as bad but when Nancy Pelosi threatens one to influence a court trial verdict, all of a sudden it's good...

Here is a hypocrisy or double standard I made a thread about recently:

viewtopic.php?t=403221

Or another example off the top of my head is I was reading about how Will Smith's wife cheated with a younger man, and people cheared her on with this 'you go girl' attitude, but if happened the other way around and Will did it with a younger woman, people would be cursing him like there was no tomorrow, etc.

Or how when Gina Carano makes an analogy about nazism, everyone burns her for it, yet Pedro Pescali has done it, and people are okay with it. It's okay to make nazi analogies for one political party, but not the other, etc.

These are just off the top of my head, but there is a lot of hypocrisy floating around, but I am still surprised that it's still considered cool, compared to other things in today's day and age.