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13 Jan 2022, 12:58 pm

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. . . I've endeavoured to receive the right help and support from these people, but in turn, I am ignored, in a similar manner to my previous experiences of Mental Health Treatment, i.e. "He knows what he wants, and is aware of his problems, therefore, there's nothing too wrong and doesn't need our help." Objectively understandable, until you realise the long-term damage this causes.

I think you've focused on a key part.

It's like the professional wants the fun part of trying to persuade someone.

But doesn't want to do the hard work involved in actually providing the help. Or perhaps we can read that as, the tedious work. Like moving into a new apartment, there are always a lot of steps and some of them are glitchy in unexpected ways. Or looking for a job. Or starting a new job. Or transferring to a new school. Or handling insurance, or taxes, or auto repair, or public transportation.

In a perfect world, I'd like to have our own Spectrum-friendly organizations which have vetted volunteers who could help with such tasks. :D

But in the meantime, yeah, I'd like our helping professionals of various stripes to be a little more willing to actually provide the help.



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13 Jan 2022, 3:24 pm

My PIP is currently being reviewed. The difference between previously and now being the addition of ASD. I'm not a high flier, but neither am I a 'in need of 24x7 care' type either. There's a significant adaptive functioning < than IQ situation going on.



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13 Jan 2022, 9:43 pm

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My PIP is currently being reviewed. The difference between previously and now being the addition of ASD. I'm not a high flier, but neither am I a 'in need of 24x7 care' type either. There's a significant adaptive functioning < than IQ situation going on.


Everyone on PIP is basically a hero since they are being discriminated against by a system that hates the fundamental of their being - i.e, being disabled.

Society fails vulnerable, disabled folk & then gives them some breadcrumbs to feed on, and then scolds them for picking up the breadcrumbs.



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17 Jan 2022, 1:53 pm

I did not have a supportive family (not mid-teenage years and later).

But for those with a supportive family, if a family members goes with you, they kind of act as a fair witness, and the bureaucrat is likely to be on his or her better behavior.

At times I’ve had zero friends.

But if a pretty close friend comes with you, I think they’ll have a similar effect. And in a better future world, the presence of a colleague or volunteer from a Spectrum networking and solidarity group might also work. Just being there, sitting next to you, witnessing what’s going on. Will usually motivate the bureaucrat to raise his or her game, hopefully to at least the B+ level.

(in similar fashion, a mob boss usually has a lieutenant or muscle guy with him (or more rarely, her). I didn’t just say that! , but I think you get the idea. Part of strength is traveling in packs and having a colleague with you when possible)



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18 Jan 2022, 12:35 pm

Indeed. Never go to a disciplinary hearing unaccompanied. Best is being a union member and having a trained rep or official accompany.

And likewise a manager would be foolish not to be accompanied / advised by a HR person.



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19 Jan 2022, 1:26 am

That's horrible. I'm glad I live in Canada.


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03 Mar 2022, 4:14 pm

There is a DWP culture that people shouldn't be claiming benefits and people are brainwashed by this. I was brainwashed by this until maybe 2016? But only became susceptible to this type of brainwashing because of my immediate family, mostly. who reinforced this toxic mindset.

Disabled people don't want benefits, we need benefits to offset the extra burdens of disability. And they need to be a decent amount to live off of, too, since we did not choose to be disabled.



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04 Mar 2022, 7:44 am

Although he did some good things Blarir's welfare policy opened the door wide for an increasingly morally bankrupt Tory party, once in power, to take a dump on the disabled. The 'scrounger rhetoric ' was cynically used to pit two groups against each other that are treated like crap- the disabled and low paid workers. Hate crimes have risen a lot. Disability is treated as though it's a character weakness.

The Tories use 'We're rich because we work hard.You're poor because you're lazy' with increasing frequency.. It conveniently ignores the genetic lottery of life.



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04 Mar 2022, 7:54 am

Didn't the United Nations accuse them of human rights abuses at one point?


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04 Mar 2022, 9:23 am

PhosphorusDecree wrote:
Didn't the United Nations accuse them of human rights abuses at one point?


Yes.
A reference,
https://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/u ... activists/


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04 Mar 2022, 1:27 pm

firemonkey wrote:
Although he did some good things Blarir's welfare policy opened the door wide for an increasingly morally bankrupt Tory party, once in power, to take a dump on the disabled. The 'scrounger rhetoric ' was cynically used to pit two groups against each other that are treated like crap- the disabled and low paid workers. Hate crimes have risen a lot. Disability is treated as though it's a character weakness.

The Tories use 'We're rich because we work hard.You're poor because you're lazy' with increasing frequency.. It conveniently ignores the genetic lottery of life.


You are 100% correct. Whilst there is the odd do-gooder in the Tory party on an individual level, the party as a whole is oppressive as hell towards the working class.

They need to be taken down!

P.S, since Blair took over, the Labour Party have been Tory-lite.

Old Labour, which was culturally conservative, is the only socialist Labour Party that has been economically viable in recent decades.



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04 Mar 2022, 3:14 pm

blitzkrieg wrote:
firemonkey wrote:
Although he did some good things Blarir's welfare policy opened the door wide for an increasingly morally bankrupt Tory party, once in power, to take a dump on the disabled. The 'scrounger rhetoric ' was cynically used to pit two groups against each other that are treated like crap- the disabled and low paid workers. Hate crimes have risen a lot. Disability is treated as though it's a character weakness.

The Tories use 'We're rich because we work hard.You're poor because you're lazy' with increasing frequency.. It conveniently ignores the genetic lottery of life.


You are 100% correct. Whilst there is the odd do-gooder in the Tory party on an individual level, the party as a whole is oppressive as hell towards the working class.

They need to be taken down!

P.S, since Blair took over, the Labour Party have been Tory-lite.

Old Labour, which was culturally conservative, is the only socialist Labour Party that has been economically viable in recent decades.


I'm from a middle class,prep and public school educated background. Due to social drift, caused by severe mental illness , I'm neither middle or working class . I'm socially liberal and left of centre economically. I could never be a 'blue Labour' supporter.



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04 Mar 2022, 3:36 pm

firemonkey wrote:
blitzkrieg wrote:
firemonkey wrote:
Although he did some good things Blarir's welfare policy opened the door wide for an increasingly morally bankrupt Tory party, once in power, to take a dump on the disabled. The 'scrounger rhetoric ' was cynically used to pit two groups against each other that are treated like crap- the disabled and low paid workers. Hate crimes have risen a lot. Disability is treated as though it's a character weakness.

The Tories use 'We're rich because we work hard.You're poor because you're lazy' with increasing frequency.. It conveniently ignores the genetic lottery of life.


You are 100% correct. Whilst there is the odd do-gooder in the Tory party on an individual level, the party as a whole is oppressive as hell towards the working class.

They need to be taken down!

P.S, since Blair took over, the Labour Party have been Tory-lite.

Old Labour, which was culturally conservative, is the only socialist Labour Party that has been economically viable in recent decades.


I'm from a middle class,prep and public school educated background. Due to social drift, caused by severe mental illness , I'm neither middle or working class . I'm socially liberal and left of centre economically. I could never be a 'blue Labour' supporter.


Fair enough, I can respect that.

I am bottom-of-the-barrel, working class scum, according to the Tories and most everyone else I have met in my life.

So yeah...



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04 Mar 2022, 3:55 pm

Since living independently I've not mixed with very many people, but have mixed with low income/w/class people mostly. There are good and bad people in all social classes. Labour would commit electoral suicide if it went all out to be a 'working class' party. It needs to attract voters from across the class divide. That,admittedly is much easier said than done. There's no doubt that more attention needs to be paid to the 'bread and butter' issues that concern working class voters. It's about getting priorities right . I think Starmer is moving things in the right direction.



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04 Mar 2022, 4:00 pm

firemonkey wrote:
Since living independently I've not mixed with very many people, but have mixed with low income/w/class people mostly. There are good and bad people in all social classes. Labour would commit electoral suicide if it went all out to be a 'working class' party. It needs to attract voters from across the class divide. That,admittedly is much easier said than done. There's no doubt that more attention needs to be paid to the 'bread and butter' issues that concern working class voters. It's about getting priorities right . I think Starmer is moving things in the right direction.


With respect, I would disagree with this assessment.

The working class has now deluded itself that it means something to society, and looks down on itself.

People will literally work for minimum wage & refuse to acknowledge who they are and where they are from, and because they are educated, think they are better than other working class people.

In the case of Autistic folk - those people mostly end up on benefits without any wotking history, in many cases. Or at the most, patchy employment history.

They will chase issues, such as trying to affirm toxic White supremacist culture, enforced by political correctness & virtue signalling, whilst imagining themselves as something other than they are.

Then they join groups of other similarly deluded people, affirming each other's delusions, mostly via social media.

What remains is a majority working class that doesn't know it is a working class, a small bit of middle class (what is left of it) - and the Tories.

In my humble opinion.



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04 Mar 2022, 4:03 pm

Which is why the Tories remain ever in power. The working class are working against themselves.