Does being Right-wing make you a bad person ?

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17 Jan 2022, 1:23 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:

That's the type of testing I had in my ADHD assessment. ^^ I scored extremely low on tapping the right letter because my mind would wander. Based on their logic I would be a far-right Conservative, which I'm not. Did they account for people's other conditions like ADHD, visual processing delays, physical dexterity, etc?

Well, in the case they didn't account for other conditions - I'd agree that science is flawed.

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18 Jan 2022, 5:28 am

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I feel most people would be (if they care to admit it) are fiscally conservative and socially liberal. I don't believe "one size fits all". To say that because one believes in the free market economy does not mean you support Trump, neo-nazis and racists.

Alas, at least in the UK, of the four possible permutations of "left/right wing and socially liberal/authoritarian", "right wing and socially liberal" is by far the least common. I'd not sure, but I believe the same is true in the US - "business liberals" are outnumbered by "faith and family Democrats" and "social security Republicans".

This is quite frustrating for me, as someone who identifies as centre-right and extremely socially liberal. I just count my lucky stars that I don't live somewhere where the options are deeply conservative or communist, like Hungary.

As far as I understand it...
Communism is the left. Socialism is the mildly left. Marxism is the far left. Capitalism is the right. Nationalism is extreme right etc, etc.

Communism is so far left its pretty extreme and exists hardly anywhere in the world (even China under the communist party is not really what we think of as communism). Capitalism is not right, its across all the political spectrum.

As with many of these things the word alone means many different things to many different people so saying X is in position Y on the political spectrum can be correct, or wildly incorrectly depending on where you are in the world and what your belief of the political spectrum looks like

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19 Jan 2022, 10:38 pm

I think a person might be right-wing out of ignorance rather than out of sheer selfishness, so it doesn't necessarily make them what is usually considered to be a "bad person." I'm sure some people genuinely believe that the poor will be better off without redistribution of wealth from the rich, and that a free market is the most effective way known for everybody to prosper. I even voted Tory myself, when I was very young, but I was quite a nice guy. I just didn't know much about politics.

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20 Jan 2022, 12:47 am

Redd_Kross wrote:

OP should check out Scandinavian and Swiss politics.

Very different to what we're used to in the UK and USA.

Here's a taster....

Swiss Political Parties

I like Switzerland’s 6-president system.

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20 Jan 2022, 10:35 pm

No opinions make someone a bad person, though they can make them a nice one or not. Actions are what make someone a good or bad person.

No step on classic liberal here ("libertarian"), because big governments along with their big corporations and followers do the baddest actions, whether they think they're doing good or not (they usually think they're doing good), and the evidence is there for everyone to see. Here's hoping they don't lead us into NBC doom the next go round. Most humans tend to desire the protection of big government (understandable), and many like to exert their will upon others through the same.

I'd rather protect myself and keep my will to the same. I believe in charity no matter how individualistic I am, as there's not much more honorable that helping others that need it.

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13 Feb 2022, 10:42 am

there is a little problem with all those leftie bleeding hearts people.. that they re all emotions and no brain.
they simply feel urge to do something. anything. not that it is something that solves any problem or at least mitigates it.. they just do first thing crossing their mind or something that makes THEM feel better.
and I m not going into differences between so called trade offs and solutions...
plus we have to define what bad person means.
and not forgetting that ehm.. stupidity can do lot of bad things.

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13 Feb 2022, 12:29 pm

Dox47 wrote:

magz wrote:

Anyway - willing to harm others is what makes one a bad person.

That seems a bit broad, are you a complete pacifist?

Sorry to butt in, not very passive of me, but I try - Tolstoy re-converted me with a little pamphlet.

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Tolstoy believed being a Christian required him to be a pacifist; the apparently inevitable waging of war by governments, is why he is considered a philosophical anarchist.

One possible issue with the type of conservatism OP describes is that the plug may get pulled on the safety net unfairly, as many conservatives think they are living in a meritocracy when in truth it is closer to the opposite.

A real world example of this may be our own 'rats filth and typhus' thread.

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13 Feb 2022, 12:35 pm

There is a little problem with those people who reach "logical" conclusions without understanding anything about the what they wish to generalize about... they're all "logic" without any facts.
Being able to express a coherent idea doesn't mean that idea has any basis in reality. Building a lovely strawman that you can tear into doesn't mean you have a valid case to make that will stand up against any real world scrutiny but you still end up patting yourself on the back like you've made something resembling a valid point.
And by that measure, you might be right... your point may resemble a valid point to other ignorami...stupidity can do a lot of bad things.

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13 Feb 2022, 12:39 pm

thinkinginpictures wrote:

It's the Science.

fify

does anyone have access to the the science? the science aint cheap, occultic even..

Im guessing theres flaws and stuff.

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13 Feb 2022, 1:02 pm

science. yeah. people love believe in science.. and love scientific sounding easy slogans.
Follow the Science comes to my mind.
As for coherent sentences.. I agree.
Mere fact that someone is able to produce coherent sentences does not say much about the character of said person.

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