Does being Right-wing make you a bad person ?

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16 Jan 2022, 12:04 pm

When I say Right-wing, I don't just mean racists and neo-fascists as obviously they are bad examples. I mean someone who is a decent human being who happens to be a conservative who advocates free enterprise and private ownership. I seem to think that sometimes I they are all put together along with the racists in one group and seen by the Left and other groups that they all racist, all for the rich people and less sympathetic to the poor people and so when surely that is not always the case. I do find politics hard to understand sometimes and is problematic especially in the UK where we have Conservative, Labour, Liberal and other parties and the US has Republicans and Democrats. But there seems to me this perception that if you are on the Left or maybe in between, then you are good and if you are the Right, then you are bad. I know this may sound like over-generalising but that is how it feels.



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16 Jan 2022, 12:18 pm

There are good people on both sides, and there are bad people on both sides. Enough said
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16 Jan 2022, 12:21 pm

In today's polarised environment, being both left or right wing makes someone a bad person. Being center just doubles down on the negative stereotypes of both with the advantages of neither.



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16 Jan 2022, 12:22 pm

I feel most people would be (if they care to admit it) are fiscally conservative and socially liberal. I don't believe "one size fits all". To say that because one believes in the free market economy does not mean you support Trump, neo-nazis and racists.



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16 Jan 2022, 12:32 pm

Does being a leftiest make you a bad person? Wanting to improve the world by helping the marginalize is a noble and good cause. Charity should begin at home, then local community (church), and finally followed by society. Demanding the gov't do it has never worked in the past, I'm from the gov't and I'm here to help is bs. The leftist in power just uses the "cause" to become more powerful, more corruption and more richer, look who has profited from this pandemic. The right in power fake opposition but are just as corrupt.


I've travelled lots of the US and over a long period of time. In the 70's, I saw "white sheets" walking the backroads of Mississippi, I've meet racists. Today, there has been change and I've not meet a racist in 15 years. The left has made this word a tool and it has now lost its definition. This just my experience and yes, there are racists on both sides but the leftist in power has always been racists throughout history.



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16 Jan 2022, 12:32 pm

If anyone uses their wing to hurt others, they're bad people.

It doesn't matter which wing it is.



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16 Jan 2022, 3:21 pm

Aspinator wrote:
I feel most people would be (if they care to admit it) are fiscally conservative and socially liberal. I don't believe "one size fits all". To say that because one believes in the free market economy does not mean you support Trump, neo-nazis and racists.

Alas, at least in the UK, of the four possible permutations of "left/right wing and socially liberal/authoritarian", "right wing and socially liberal" is by far the least common. I'd not sure, but I believe the same is true in the US - "business liberals" are outnumbered by "faith and family Democrats" and "social security Republicans".

This is quite frustrating for me, as someone who identifies as centre-right and extremely socially liberal. I just count my lucky stars that I don't live somewhere where the options are deeply conservative or communist, like Hungary.



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16 Jan 2022, 3:37 pm

The_Walrus wrote:
Aspinator wrote:
I feel most people would be (if they care to admit it) are fiscally conservative and socially liberal. I don't believe "one size fits all". To say that because one believes in the free market economy does not mean you support Trump, neo-nazis and racists.

Alas, at least in the UK, of the four possible permutations of "left/right wing and socially liberal/authoritarian", "right wing and socially liberal" is by far the least common. I'd not sure, but I believe the same is true in the US - "business liberals" are outnumbered by "faith and family Democrats" and "social security Republicans".

This is quite frustrating for me, as someone who identifies as centre-right and extremely socially liberal. I just count my lucky stars that I don't live somewhere where the options are deeply conservative or communist, like Hungary.


As far as I understand it...
Communism is the left. Socialism is the mildly left. Marxism is the far left. Capitalism is the right. Nationalism is extreme right etc, etc.



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16 Jan 2022, 4:01 pm

To answer the origional post. It is your actions and not your beliefs that expose if you are a good or bad person.



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16 Jan 2022, 4:08 pm

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16 Jan 2022, 4:23 pm

Mountain Goat wrote:
To answer the origional post. It is your actions and not your beliefs that expose if you are a good or bad person.


Agrees with this post ..... actions are the measure of veracity . Words and beliefs that people espouse can be manipulated to fool most anyone is seems . :|


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16 Jan 2022, 4:38 pm

Not inherently, although at times people's main priorities for supporting any given ideology reveal things about their moral character. We've certainly seen former posters with right wing leanings who were quite open about their leanings being motivated by desiring to see some people punished severely for their inability to function within society.


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16 Jan 2022, 4:38 pm

It should not matter if one is left-or-right-wing regarding political or social beliefs.

People with bad morals are bad people regardless of location in the world.


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16 Jan 2022, 4:58 pm

chris1989 wrote:
. I seem to think that sometimes I they are all put together along with the racists in one group and seen by the Left and other groups that they all racist, all for the rich people and less sympathetic to the poor people and so when surely that is not always the case.


Lot of that around, and kind of like racism itself, it can be subtle or blatant, with the subtle variant certainly more likely to be expressed in public, with occasional exceptions.


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16 Jan 2022, 5:59 pm

VegetableMan wrote:
There are good people on both sides, and there are bad people on both sides. Enough said
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Exactly.



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16 Jan 2022, 6:00 pm

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Does being Right-wing make you a bad person?
It depends on the individual claiming to be "On the Right".  They are probably a good person if they believe in every one of these conditions:

1. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

2. A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

3. No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

4. The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

5. No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb, nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use without just compensation.

6. In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed; which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defence.

7. In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

8. Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

9. The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people, regardless of a person's age, disability, economic status, ethnicity or race, gender or gender identity, name, nationality, native language, religion, sex or sexual orientation, or tribal affiliation.

10. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

That ninth condition is what seems to define the Left from the Right, in that Leftists tend to adhere to it, while Rightists tend to ignore it.