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19 Jan 2022, 10:19 pm

I think this is an interesting video that is contrary to some views. Supposedly, we are human because our ancestors stopped having alpha males. It might be interesting to someone.
https://youtu.be/RKh6N-sMBkA



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19 Jan 2022, 11:11 pm

I am watching this & finding it to be enjoyable. Thank you.



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19 Jan 2022, 11:12 pm

The takeaway is beta is the new alpha.



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19 Jan 2022, 11:35 pm

imagine if the original alphas were around now. what would have changed?



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20 Jan 2022, 2:46 am

Really interesting. Makes sense.


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20 Jan 2022, 3:12 am

The context he is talking about is 350,000 - 170,000 years ago.

In the modern era Darwinian principles apply where only the strongest survive to reproduce after wars, famine, epidemics and catastrophe.

Maybe its partly socially constructed but the alpha man still rules



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20 Jan 2022, 4:39 am

There's always alphas, when an alpha falls a betas takes its place. They're the presidents, the CEOs, the commanders, the wealthy , the top athletes, the savants... in our modern human population. One key difference between us and other primates is that we live in HUGE populations; so that lead to many communities (tribes) and many alphas.

In common chimps it's not necessarily the physically strongest becomes alpha, sometimes a weak chimp with strong social skills and lot of allies can become alpha, and beta chimps DO breed but they're usually not the first choice of females.

Sounds familiar, no?



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20 Jan 2022, 5:12 am

Nietzsche already touched up on this in the late 1800's. His parable of the "The Last Man" points out the inevitable logical evolution of a 'Beta' value dominated Human society, where no Alphas exist. Didn't watch the video. Sounds like coping mechanism. We may be more refined than Neanderthals, But natural selection, still exists, in all mammals. There will always be 'Alphas,' whether born male or female. It's rooted in biology, specifically prenatal hormone levels.


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20 Jan 2022, 6:04 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
In common chimps it's not necessarily the physically strongest becomes alpha, sometimes a weak chimp with strong social skills and lot of allies can become alpha, and beta chimps DO breed but they're usually not the first choice of females.

Sounds familiar, no?


Luck has some role. For example certain countries just happen to be where all the fricking oil is, The betas living there suddenly became alphas overnight without trying.



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20 Jan 2022, 6:13 pm

I thought this thread was about Beta fish.

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20 Jan 2022, 10:44 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
I thought this thread was about Beta fish.

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Strangely enough that is what I was just watching on youtube.



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21 Jan 2022, 1:59 am

I'm pretty sure I had a beta fish filmed and recorded on my beta tape collection from the 1980s :lol: