BILLIONAIRE HEDGE-FUND MANAGER WARNS A “REVOLUTION” IS COMIN

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26 Jan 2022, 1:29 pm

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I have similar thoughts about markets across Canada where I might consider buying a home(s) as rental properties - like why don’t the people there just buy them when they’re for sale if they’re going to pay rent and live in them ??

But I suppose due to a combination of both income and spending habits, they can come up with the rent each month, but never a down payment.


Banks would rather approve a loan to someone who already owns homes than someone who's buying their first home, meaning they won't approve you for a mortgage that costs less per month than your current rent.


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26 Jan 2022, 1:33 pm

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goldfish21 wrote:
I have similar thoughts about markets across Canada where I might consider buying a home(s) as rental properties - like why don’t the people there just buy them when they’re for sale if they’re going to pay rent and live in them ??

But I suppose due to a combination of both income and spending habits, they can come up with the rent each month, but never a down payment.
Banks would rather approve a loan to someone who already owns homes than someone who's buying their first home, meaning they won't approve you for a mortgage that costs less per month than your current rent.
Here in the States, veteran status makes home purchase almost certain if you can afford the monthly mortgage -- nothing down, and the government guarantees the loan!



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26 Jan 2022, 1:37 pm

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I have similar thoughts about markets across Canada where I might consider buying a home(s) as rental properties - like why don’t the people there just buy them when they’re for sale if they’re going to pay rent and live in them ??

But I suppose due to a combination of both income and spending habits, they can come up with the rent each month, but never a down payment. Some people live their financial lives like that out of forced necessity, others via choices & habits. These people almost Need to have landlords or else they’d be homeless.. so, perhaps in some markets landlords do contribute some value to society by providing stable housing for those that can’t seem to do so within the rules of our financial systems.


It's tricky to figure out what's going on. Impulsive spending? Being an autistic guy with a stable job, I have no kids to look after (as is normal for autistic guys) no huge social circle (normal), no expensive habits, no real desire to splurge on holidays and I'm not interested in gadgets or nice cars. I literally have nothing else to spend money on if I want to or not.

I have an advantage for saving money looking at it that way but I consider it more as a series of involuntary trade-offs whereas others in my area (with heavy socialist leanings) seem to think it's a result of privilege and occasionally remind me that. My advice to them is why not swap with me...as long as they get rid of most of their friends and disown their kids (they'll have plenty of money to spend on houses). I wouldn't mind throwing it all in for a stable relationship, kids and a nice social circle all to spend that money on instead.



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26 Jan 2022, 1:38 pm

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goldfish21 wrote:
I have similar thoughts about markets across Canada where I might consider buying a home(s) as rental properties - like why don’t the people there just buy them when they’re for sale if they’re going to pay rent and live in them ??

But I suppose due to a combination of both income and spending habits, they can come up with the rent each month, but never a down payment.


Banks would rather approve a loan to someone who already owns homes than someone who's buying their first home, meaning they won't approve you for a mortgage that costs less per month than your current rent.


Here that's not really the case for homes intended as a personal residence. Affordability and credit score is all that matters, not prior house ownership.



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26 Jan 2022, 1:46 pm

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These people almost Need to have landlords or else they’d be homeless.. so, perhaps in some markets landlords do contribute some value to society by providing stable housing for those that can’t seem to do so within the rules of our financial systems.


I'd suggest the problem is the rules of said financial system and that addressing the structural issues would eliminate the need for the rent-seekers and the inefficiencies they add.


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26 Jan 2022, 1:48 pm

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These people almost Need to have landlords or else they’d be homeless.. so, perhaps in some markets landlords do contribute some value to society by providing stable housing for those that can’t seem to do so within the rules of our financial systems.
I'd suggest the problem is the rules of said financial system and that addressing the structural issues would eliminate the need for the rent-seekers and the inefficiencies they add.
After reading some of the accounts Goldy has given, I am inclined to believe that the most helpful of landlords are useless against tenants who know nothing about how to live decently.



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26 Jan 2022, 1:53 pm

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These people almost Need to have landlords or else they’d be homeless.. so, perhaps in some markets landlords do contribute some value to society by providing stable housing for those that can’t seem to do so within the rules of our financial systems.


I'd suggest the problem is the rules of said financial system and that addressing the structural issues would eliminate the need for the rent-seekers and the inefficiencies they add.


How is it good for any individual or society at large to give substantial loans out to people who have no intention of paying them off? Like serious drug addicts, the mentally ill, people of low intelligence and people who have issues with the concept of housing not being free? I less you want free housing which is even worse.

Sorting out structural issues will never cure society of all it's ailments and these people will always exist.



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26 Jan 2022, 2:04 pm

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goldfish21 wrote:
I have similar thoughts about markets across Canada where I might consider buying a home(s) as rental properties - like why don’t the people there just buy them when they’re for sale if they’re going to pay rent and live in them ??

But I suppose due to a combination of both income and spending habits, they can come up with the rent each month, but never a down payment.


Banks would rather approve a loan to someone who already owns homes than someone who's buying their first home, meaning they won't approve you for a mortgage that costs less per month than your current rent.


While somewhat true due to equity they can tap or use as collateral, prior home ownership is not a mortgage qualification requirement in Canada. Also, there are specifically first time home buyer programs that make it slightly easier for someone buying their first primary residence. But still, you have to have the down payment and income to qualify for the mortgage & stress test etc - which is increasingly difficult/impossible with rising prices and stagnant incomes.

It’s not easy, but it is possible. Especially if one is able to increase their income over time.

Even where I live in an insanely expensive real estate market, if I was my primary financial goal to own some sort of home here I *could* do it. It’s just that if I do go all in on a condo or something then it would be at the opportunity cost of many other things in life, so, I doubt I will. Might buy a place somewhere else in Canada and rent it out, though.


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26 Jan 2022, 2:37 pm

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It is almost fearful … that the amount of people whose habits . Do not allow them to even be able to manage rent, much less a down payment for a house. instead they are attracted to non conventional means of living ( am referring to street people) are growing in vast numbers . Usually have seen in. My area these are not disabled or people with children,Generally . But rather feed a addiction of some sort or the other or possibly allegiance to a gang. Or both.
And those whom prey on the good graces of society . Will outnumber landlords or homeowners . And those will be considered the wealthy class. By them . Already they have out numbered law enforcement to the point of Police
Just not enforcing anything but the most serious of crimes . So property crimes skyrocket and also feed the
People whom prefer to live a life without responsibilities . On the street or otherwise. This causes prices on everything to goip ,because these crimes are not limited to individuals owning property but businesses and business properties . So whom will start this revolution ? Keeping people divided in their sentiments and hoping to rely on a non- functional police force . Which the property owners are hoping on peoples inherent tendency to honesty.
Which almost has become non existent in a big portion of the population . And older people on pensions rely on the government for money . WHO IS going to start this revolution . :?:


A revolution that entails what exactly?



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26 Jan 2022, 4:30 pm

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funeralxempire wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
These people almost Need to have landlords or else they’d be homeless.. so, perhaps in some markets landlords do contribute some value to society by providing stable housing for those that can’t seem to do so within the rules of our financial systems.


I'd suggest the problem is the rules of said financial system and that addressing the structural issues would eliminate the need for the rent-seekers and the inefficiencies they add.


How is it good for any individual or society at large to give substantial loans out to people who have no intention of paying them off? Like serious drug addicts, the mentally ill, people of low intelligence and people who have issues with the concept of housing not being free? I less you want free housing which is even worse.

Sorting out structural issues will never cure society of all it's ailments and these people will always exist.


Who suggested giving them loans? I'd be perfectly fine with housing being provided for them without any middlemen artificially inflating the cost of that housing. Property managers might still need to exist, but no one should be able to make a living off of simply owning housing.


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26 Jan 2022, 4:34 pm

A revolution can be of several sorts. But I think it Implies the overthrow of a entity that is oppressing people .
Can be drastic forms of change to hopefully alleviate such oppression. :ninja:


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26 Jan 2022, 4:50 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
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funeralxempire wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
These people almost Need to have landlords or else they’d be homeless.. so, perhaps in some markets landlords do contribute some value to society by providing stable housing for those that can’t seem to do so within the rules of our financial systems.


I'd suggest the problem is the rules of said financial system and that addressing the structural issues would eliminate the need for the rent-seekers and the inefficiencies they add.


How is it good for any individual or society at large to give substantial loans out to people who have no intention of paying them off? Like serious drug addicts, the mentally ill, people of low intelligence and people who have issues with the concept of housing not being free? I less you want free housing which is even worse.

Sorting out structural issues will never cure society of all it's ailments and these people will always exist.


Who suggested giving them loans? I'd be perfectly fine with housing being provided for them without any middlemen artificially inflating the cost of that housing. Property managers might still need to exist, but no one should be able to make a living off of simply owning housing.


Well you didn't specify how and the cost of houses have to be paid somehow. In the UK they often are housed virtually free for the tenant at least. Housing benefit is paid to them which goes to the landlord. The alternative is buying or making houses at 100k minimum each.

Renting is just borrow in a nutshell and why should borrowing be free?



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26 Jan 2022, 4:52 pm

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A revolution can be of several sorts. But I think it Implies the overthrow of a entity that is oppressing people .
Can be drastic forms of change to hopefully alleviate such oppression. :ninja:


What entity? Rich people? Government?

What oppression too? And what do you want to replace said oppression?



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26 Jan 2022, 5:00 pm

a civilized form of government that is truley for the people without influence of big business or corporations.
Civic leaders behaving responsibly towards the people .
What else were you going to imply, I was talking about .?


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26 Jan 2022, 5:17 pm

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a civilized form of government that is truley for the people without influence of big business or corporations.
Civic leaders behaving responsibly towards the people .
What else were you going to imply, I was talking about .?


Friendly socialism/communism that came about by overthrowing an elected government.......uhhhh OK I guess.

Doesn't seem like it'll end in civilised behaviour of any kind though.

It seems strange that the west has an anti-corp stance yet everyone keeps giving them money.



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26 Jan 2022, 5:34 pm

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It seems strange that the west has an anti-corp stance yet everyone keeps giving them money.


How is it strange?

They've become so rich and powerful that people are pissed off about it. But they keep giving them money because they monopolize industries and consumers don't have a whole lot of choice but to keep giving them money OR ?? what ? just walk away off the grid and live in a forest somewhere?

Completely understandable that people aren't pleased with such an imbalanced system.


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