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23 Jan 2022, 11:56 pm

Is communism in the United States for the sole benefit of biological females? Communism is essentially the philosophy of centralisation of everything (economy plus the figurative social sphere) & the exercising of authority to achieve that end.

What I have seen over the past decade, in Autistic communities, is basically biological females, capitalising on the "everyone is equally worthless" concept, by choosing whichever victim they fancy, on a whim, to browbeat to their will. Politically, sexually or otherwise.

I really don't see any benefit for biological males with this philosophy at all.

Biological women who support communism often expect men to do all the heavy lifting in social areas or the economy, whilst belittling them at the same time and working towards destroying their egos.

Has anyone else experienced this?


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24 Jan 2022, 11:00 pm

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Is communism in the United States for the sole benefit of biological females? Communism is essentially the philosophy of centralisation of everything (economy plus the figurative social sphere) & the exercising of authority to achieve that end.


That's an Authoritarian Regime. Communism is the democratization of everything.
The fact that Stalin and Mao led authoritarian regimes is what Lefties mean when they say "that wasn't real communism". it wasn't. The idea was Hijacked. In practice, the major Regimes which called themselves Communist were merely authoritarian.
But it makes zero sense to use the words interchangeably and will only produce confusion.

blitzkrieg wrote:
What I have seen over the past decade, in Autistic communities, is basically biological females, capitalising on the "everyone is equally worthless" concept, by choosing whichever victim they fancy, on a whim, to browbeat to their will. Politically, sexually or otherwise.

I really don't see any benefit for biological males with this philosophy at all.

Biological women who support communism often expect men to do all the heavy lifting in social areas or the economy, whilst belittling them at the same time and working towards destroying their egos.

Has anyone else experienced this?


yeah. so. here's the confusion: even in the Authoritarian Regimes of Maoist China and Stalin's Russia and the GDR, women were part of the labour force, even physical labour as well as military. They had their own income at a time when in the "free world" women had to ask their husbands to open a bank account or get a desk job as a secretary or something. But to take a step back: China and Russia made this effort in an attempt to go from agrarian societies to indusyrialized societies, and it didn't work well until the Chinese figured out a way to drop any semblance of Communism and go for straight up Authoritarian capitalism. And they industrialized and urbanized at a pace unseen before.

I don't see how the economic structure of a society attracts the women you're talking about, neither in practice nor in theory.


Is it possible "communist" is a poor descriptor for the people you want to describe here?


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25 Jan 2022, 12:44 am

shlaifu wrote:
blitzkrieg wrote:
Is communism in the United States for the sole benefit of biological females? Communism is essentially the philosophy of centralisation of everything (economy plus the figurative social sphere) & the exercising of authority to achieve that end.


That's an Authoritarian Regime. Communism is the democratization of everything.
The fact that Stalin and Mao led authoritarian regimes is what Lefties mean when they say "that wasn't real communism". it wasn't. The idea was Hijacked. In practice, the major Regimes which called themselves Communist were merely authoritarian.
But it makes zero sense to use the words interchangeably and will only produce confusion.

blitzkrieg wrote:
What I have seen over the past decade, in Autistic communities, is basically biological females, capitalising on the "everyone is equally worthless" concept, by choosing whichever victim they fancy, on a whim, to browbeat to their will. Politically, sexually or otherwise.

I really don't see any benefit for biological males with this philosophy at all.

Biological women who support communism often expect men to do all the heavy lifting in social areas or the economy, whilst belittling them at the same time and working towards destroying their egos.

Has anyone else experienced this?


yeah. so. here's the confusion: even in the Authoritarian Regimes of Maoist China and Stalin's Russia and the GDR, women were part of the labour force, even physical labour as well as military. They had their own income at a time when in the "free world" women had to ask their husbands to open a bank account or get a desk job as a secretary or something. But to take a step back: China and Russia made this effort in an attempt to go from agrarian societies to indusyrialized societies, and it didn't work well until the Chinese figured out a way to drop any semblance of Communism and go for straight up Authoritarian capitalism. And they industrialized and urbanized at a pace unseen before.

I don't see how the economic structure of a society attracts the women you're talking about, neither in practice nor in theory.

Is it possible "communist" is a poor descriptor for the people you want to describe here?


I think the issue here is that all of the different theories of communism that might work, have never worked in the real world, to date. Anyone can speculate on outcomes that have never been realised.

Personally, I think that human nature and the competitive nature of human beings will prevent communism from ever being realised.


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25 Jan 2022, 9:58 am

Communism is a political hypothesis that has never been proven, despite numerous attempts.

If clinical tests of penicillin had the same record, we would never have it as an antibiotic.



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25 Jan 2022, 10:02 am

Communism, in practice, has had a very poor record of success for the "masses" (to say the least)

It might work as a utopian fantasy----but utopian fantasies shouldn't be employed when millions of lives are at stake.



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25 Jan 2022, 10:50 am

Thomas More’s Utopia didn’t stack up very well either… it was a slave-owning state.


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25 Jan 2022, 11:17 am





"Communism is a philosophical, social, political, and economic ideology
and movement whose goal is the establishment of a communist society,
namely a socioeconomic order structured upon the ideas of common ownership
of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money, and the state."

-As Quoted From Professor(s) Wiki

As Story Tells it, There Was Once A Man Who Was Naked, Enough, Whole, Complete Named
Jesus Who Managed to Convince Some Friends to Sell All They Had As Collectivists, So Everyone
Could Become Naked, Enough, Whole, And Complete, And Just LiVE iN Cooperation And Kindness

With A Pay Grade, Pay Rate, And Currency of Love;

Yet of Course, That Was Not Enough For Emperor
And So-Called Crowned Saint Constantine By
The Organization of the Catholic Church,

Some Three Centuries And Years After
That Jesus Dude By Story Was Crucified For

Setting Folks Free to Love Each Other in Peace

Dancing, 'Singing in Perfect Harmony' Together, Yes,

Like A Coca-Cola Commercial With NO COKE TO
SELL And "Just Doing It" Like the Goddess Nike
of Victory Might Suggest Selling NO SHOES

As True Sandals and Barefoot Works too

As "Constantine" Was Obviously Empty
Within And Wanted a Huge Monolithic
Statue of Him Erected in the Empire Court

Square Like The "Sun God-Like" Transformation of A
Humble Little Brown Dude Jesus, Sage, Teacher As When A Human Being
Is Empty Within, It Doesn't Matter WHAT the Size of the 'Trump Tower' Erected

Is, They Will Never Be Naked, Enough, Whole, And Complete

Just to Live off A Pay Grade, Pay Rate, And Currency of Love;

Until They Actually Go On Their Own Archetypal Hero Journey Like
'The Jesus' Did Per Story in a Desert or Other DarKesT Challenge For 40 Days
or 66 Months Like me, Yes, Whatever it Takes to Come Back into the LiGHT Eternally Now

And Spread the Story

of What Individually

Works for the Next (Neo)

Person Who Unplugs From 'the Matrix' Free;

Yet It's True, 'These Days' At Least Almost
Impossible to Do Unless You are Already
Financially Independent As Let's Face it

Humans Are Evolved to LiVE iN Rather Small
Homogenous Groups of Creatures That Bond
and Bind Over Common Symbols And Ideologies
Also Known as A Mix of Religion, Yes Philosophy,

(And Of Course This is Why 'Jesus' Was Crucified in that Story He
Went Against 'The Grain of Tradition' And Was SEVERELY EXCLUDED)

Yes Politics too, 'Class' As all Three Elements Do Continue
to Mix Among Human Beings And Their Group Think, Feel,
Sense, And Do, Still Now Today. Sadly, The Folks Who Developed

An Ideology of Communism For Huge Groups of Humans Didn't DO Enough
Course Work in Anthropology, Social Sciences Interdisciplinary, including
Human Psychology; And Deeper Elements of Social, Empathic, Artistic, Spiritual,

Emotional, Intuitive Intelligences to Forecast By Ideology Alone That It was Doomed as

An Ideology to Work on Paper

From The Very Get Go to Really Go

As It only Works Grass Roots Deep

For Individuals Who Rise to The Occasion
Through Yes A Metaphor Of Their Own Hero Journeys
Now in Life Or as 'Fowler' Puts it in His Stages of Faith in
The Evolution of One Lifetime, Reaching The Pinnacle of

Ascending Transcending Existence Loving All DarK Thru LiGHT

Feeling Gratitude for All That is Existence (GoD) Yes RiSinG to the Capstone of Being Human
Similarly As Maslow Describes it in his top of the Pyramid Constitution of Being Human

Naked
Enough
Whole

Complete
Inhaling Peace
Exhaling LoVE iN JoY oF LiGHT
Giving, Sharing, Caring, Healing

And Once Again Class LoVinG all DarK Thru LiGHT;

Please Do Note, There are no Free Cokes At the End of this
Advertisement Hehe, Just Empty Hands Dancing Singing this way

As My Personal Accountant, Secretary And All Around Do-Gooder

For me Takes Care of All the Finances And Around the Home Tasks

to
Set me
Free True

to Make this
Really Work You
Practically Have to
Have Your Own Personal
Jesus in Female Form too, to

Take Care of All the 'Details in The Devil' Hehe

And Leave the Rest to Real Utopia in Peter Pan Land...

-me

Yawn, i'm
Just a Squirrel Not Owning, Just Being, Doing
the All in All Naked And Free Just Loving it All...

A Key to my Success is Not Being So Dam Butt Hurt
Now over All The Successful Loving Women in the World...

-Lady's Man.

*Motions to 'Eve'
to Pass Over Some
More Free Popcorn to 'Watch' some more...

Let's Face it Class Folks Who Are Not Naked,
Enough, Whole, Complete Will Always Be Somewhat

Empty Within

Never Truly Fulfilled

Enough to Just Give, Share, Care, Heal
iN JoY oF LiGHT Inhaling Peace Exhaling Love Free...

And Again, i Ain't Gonna Lie, Getting Rid of the God
of Money is Crucial From the Get Go... And You Ain't Never
Gonna Get A Bunch of Folks Who Are Empty Within to Divide it Evenly...

As Again

There Will Never Be
A Monolithic Statue
Tall Enough of 'Constantine's or Trump's And
All Their 'Minions' Reflecting Mirroring AS Such
To Fill A Damned Bucket With NO DAMNED BOTTOM...

(THE PIT YA FALL IN AND NEVER REACH THE
BOTTOM WHEN YOU FALSELY BELIEVE YA ARE RISING)

~The American Nightmare...

Yet Still Free Enough For
the REAL Dream to Come True...

-me Again...

Hehe, That 'Ommm Sound'
At The Beginning of the
'Mad Men Ending' is the

'Autotelic'

Similar Sound i Make Deep in Flow
And Guttural too Before i Still Warm
Up At the Military Gym, Leg Pressing
1380 Pounds At 61, After Doing A Meditative
Very Graceful Ballet-Like-Tai-Chi Dance It Sort
of Freaks The New Folks Out Ignorant of the Process hehe

Really Maximizing my 'CHI Potential' in the Eternal Now then

And God Yes it Really Works As The Weight, Balancing, Gravity And Yes,
No, Some YouTube
Videos Don't Lie...

~Still Just

Touching
Human Potentials
Still Yet to Be Realized

STill Coming to A Theater Very
Close to Here, HeaR, Hehe, Sooner

and Soon...

-me3

Have A Nice
Day YeT AGain,
i Ain't Commanding
Anyone Anything to Do Except 'me'...



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25 Jan 2022, 1:05 pm

Communism, being based on the idea of total democratization of ownership, rulership, and the means of production, carries within itself the seed of its own destruction, which is Democracy.

Whether from within or without, Communism demonstrates its own inability to stand against Democracy by its inevitable dissolution and failure every time it is attempted.


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25 Jan 2022, 10:31 pm

Fnord wrote:
Communism, being based on the idea of total democratization of ownership, rulership, and the means of production, carries within itself the seed of its own destruction, which is Democracy.

Whether from within or without, Communism demonstrates its own inability to stand against Democracy by its inevitable dissolution and failure every time it is attempted.



fair enough. the problem is: now that we all believe communism is utopian, and we're all realists... what do we do about the growing wealth disparity and climate change?
realistically, we can't do anything.
so let's roll on our back and wait for climate wars to escalate and ultra-rich people owning everything.

or maybe look at ideas such as communism and wonder if a pinch of it would maybe do some good.... like, maybe utilities like energy, internet service, water, healthcare shouldn't be left to a mechanism that doesn't care about these things, and only provides them as necessary evil to produce profit.


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26 Jan 2022, 9:01 am

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. . . now that we all believe communism is utopian . . .
Who is this "We" of whom you speak?  I am not one of those people.  A Communist state is a "Utopia" only for those who cannot achieve success in a Democratic state with a Capitalistic economy.



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26 Jan 2022, 9:14 am

I don't see anything wrong with incorporating some socialist elements into a generally capitalist/mercantilist fabric.

They do this successfully in the Scandinavian countries.

An American with decent health insurance seems somewhat better off than a Canadian, say, with their national health insurance. An American without health insurance, or with lousy health insurance, is basically screwed if he/she develops a chronic condition requiring medical intervention. There is no "safety net" for them. They can become bankrupt as a result of having to have surgery.

There are many Americans who are eligible for decent health insurance. Anybody 65 or older, or children of people with decent health insurance until age 25, or people whose income is below 133% of the Federal Poverty Line. And other groups of people within more "liberalized" states.

I believe the US should develop a plan which is an improvement over the national health schemes of European countries. We should, definitely, have unquestioned free medical care for a chronic condition where there is a risk of death within ten years unless intervention happens.



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26 Jan 2022, 9:18 am

Socialism, as defined by "any of various economic and political theories advocating collective ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods" is not inherently evil, except in that it removes corporate ownership -- and concurrently, the ownership of the profits -- from the hands of wealthy oligarchs who could not care less about the people who work for them.

Now, when the government owns and administers the means of production and distribution of goods, that system becomes a dictatorial oligarchy, with the rulers at the top, and the citizen-slaves at the bottom.  This was the case with the U.S.S.R., and is currently the case in North Korea.



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26 Jan 2022, 9:30 am

Fnord wrote:
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. . . now that we all believe communism is utopian . . .
Who is this "We" of whom you speak?  I am not one of those people.  A Communist state is a "Utopia" only for those who cannot achieve success in a Democratic state with a Capitalistic economy.


Sorry, of course, there are individuals who prefer a wealth divide, for whom a world in which democracy over the means of production isn't utopian even in theory.


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26 Jan 2022, 9:38 am

shlaifu wrote:
Fnord wrote:
shlaifu wrote:
. . . now that we all believe communism is utopian . . .
Who is this "We" of whom you speak?  I am not one of those people.  A Communist state is a "Utopia" only for those who cannot achieve success in a Democratic state with a Capitalistic economy.
Sorry, of course, there are individuals who prefer a wealth divide, for whom a world in which democracy over the means of production isn't utopian even in theory.
While I am not a one-percenter, I did achieve my successes without any Nanny State providing food, clothing, shelter, and medical care for me (except when I served in the military, which is neither democratic nor capitalistic).  Capitalism works, Communism does not.  Unsuccessful people need handouts; successful people do not.



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26 Jan 2022, 9:56 am

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While I am not a one-percenter, I did achieve my successes without any Nanny State providing food, clothing, shelter, and medical care for me (except when I served in the military, which is neither democratic nor capitalistic).  Capitalism works, Communism does not.  Unsuccessful people need handouts; successful people do not.



This is why I never see successful people with a love of communism or even socialism most of the time.

A desire for communism or socialism is just a desire for the material wealth of others. Why work for anything when you can just steal it?

Ironically the ones who are most keen on such policy are the ones most inept at implementing it. It's usually the unemployed, coffee shop workers, media folks and humanities. Pretty much the least talented people.



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26 Jan 2022, 10:06 am

I have no desire for the "material wealth" of anybody. I never got handouts from a "nanny state." I've worked at clerical jobs all my life from high school.

I'm not exactly enamored of Communism or Socialism in its "purest" forms----but I'm not against some facets of socialism being implanted into a capitalistic framework. I feel like people who are temporarily down on their luck should be supported by the government who receives their tax money when they are not "down on their luck."