16 May 2022, 2:32 pm
ironpony wrote:
Isn't the term rules of war in oxymoron really? If there is war that means there are no rules, kind of like what the Colonol in the movie The Bridge in the River Kwai said.
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16 May 2022, 3:11 pm
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16 May 2022, 4:08 pm
ironpony wrote:
Isn't the term rules of war in oxymoron really? If there is war that means there are no rules, kind of like what the Colonol in the movie The Bridge in the River Kwai said.
..there are internationally agreed upon rules of war. That’s why there’s such a thing as “war crimes,” for people to be held accountable for atrocities like murdering civilians or using banned inhumane chemical weapons that cause people to die via horrific suffering. Humanity agreed that even if war continues to happen, that it would be conducted under a certain set of rules everyone agrees to abide by Or be punished for breaking.
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16 May 2022, 6:45 pm
kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
Email today from a model kit retailer in Ukraine included this from their website,
https://plastic-models-store.com/index. ... post_id=44
https://plastic-models-store.com/index. ... post_id=44
Quote:
Hello friends!
WE FINALLY OPENED AGAIN!
After the war started we urgently closed our office and team was evacuated to a safe place.
Now we returned back to Kyiv! And we want to get back to normal life.
We have been in touch with every customer during this period and we are very thankful for hundreds of emails we received via email, eBay, amazon and facebook.
Your support of Ukraine is very important and impressive.
BIG THANK YOU FOR YOUR ORDERS
I would like to say a separate THANK YOU to every customer who placed an order to support our store during a difficult time without even knowing when we could ship it.
Thanks to your orders, we were able to pay the salaries of our team all this time, who were forced to leave their homes and be refugees.
There were several orders where you wrote: "No need to send anything, use this money at your discretion"
And one of the comments to the order was: Don't send me the models, go buy bullets!
By the way, all donated money in such way was transferred to my neighbors I personally know. We bought already 3 thermal rifle scopes to them who are fighting now on the frontline.
FEW WORDS about ruZZian invaders.
ruZZian army is an army of barbarians, marauders and thieves.
I personally know this from the stories of my wife's father, who was under occupation since February 26 for almost 40 days.
Their village is located 22 miles north of Kyiv. The Russians left his village at the beginning of April.
Before leaving, they buried the corpses of their soldiers under the forest near father's house.
They stole from empty houses everything that can be sold or that has value. They stole carpets, TVs, laptops, household appliances, batteries, screwdrivers, drills, boat engines. They also stole trucks from the poultry farm to take out the loot. Then we saw photos of these branded trucks on the territory of Belarus with an ugly letters V and Z on the body.
There are also a lot of audio intercepts where ruZZian soldiers communicate with their wives and mothers. They tell them how much money they were able to steal, how they steal sneakers, clothes, perfumes, blenders and teapots from Ukrainian homes.
This is not an army. This is a shame for the whole world. And we all need to stop them together.
SLAVA UKRAINI!
WE FINALLY OPENED AGAIN!
After the war started we urgently closed our office and team was evacuated to a safe place.
Now we returned back to Kyiv! And we want to get back to normal life.
We have been in touch with every customer during this period and we are very thankful for hundreds of emails we received via email, eBay, amazon and facebook.
Your support of Ukraine is very important and impressive.
BIG THANK YOU FOR YOUR ORDERS
I would like to say a separate THANK YOU to every customer who placed an order to support our store during a difficult time without even knowing when we could ship it.
Thanks to your orders, we were able to pay the salaries of our team all this time, who were forced to leave their homes and be refugees.
There were several orders where you wrote: "No need to send anything, use this money at your discretion"
And one of the comments to the order was: Don't send me the models, go buy bullets!
By the way, all donated money in such way was transferred to my neighbors I personally know. We bought already 3 thermal rifle scopes to them who are fighting now on the frontline.
FEW WORDS about ruZZian invaders.
ruZZian army is an army of barbarians, marauders and thieves.
I personally know this from the stories of my wife's father, who was under occupation since February 26 for almost 40 days.
Their village is located 22 miles north of Kyiv. The Russians left his village at the beginning of April.
Before leaving, they buried the corpses of their soldiers under the forest near father's house.
They stole from empty houses everything that can be sold or that has value. They stole carpets, TVs, laptops, household appliances, batteries, screwdrivers, drills, boat engines. They also stole trucks from the poultry farm to take out the loot. Then we saw photos of these branded trucks on the territory of Belarus with an ugly letters V and Z on the body.
There are also a lot of audio intercepts where ruZZian soldiers communicate with their wives and mothers. They tell them how much money they were able to steal, how they steal sneakers, clothes, perfumes, blenders and teapots from Ukrainian homes.
This is not an army. This is a shame for the whole world. And we all need to stop them together.
SLAVA UKRAINI!
I rarely get emotional.
I am emotional about Ukraine.
"Russian warship, go f**k yourself."
16 May 2022, 6:57 pm
kraftiekortie wrote:
We have the Geneva Convention. We should all follow its precepts more.
There's always been "rules" for war. Even "primitive" tribes have "rules" for war.
There's always been "rules" for war. Even "primitive" tribes have "rules" for war.
Unless we change the designation of what is a P.O.W.
16 May 2022, 7:00 pm
ironpony wrote:
That makes sense. When it comes to the rules of war what are the rules of a nation wants to take over another nation?
Talk to the people at the Nuremberg Trials.
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16 May 2022, 10:10 pm
ironpony wrote:
When it comes to the rules of war what are the rules of a nation wants to take over another nation?
Why not just plug rules of war in to Google and see what it coughs up?
As it turns out, the rules of war, the law of war, is very much a thing and there seem to be lawyers who specialize in it.
I tried it just now and found things like,
Quote:
10 things the rules of war do
19 October 2016
The rules of war, also known as international humanitarian law:
19 October 2016
The rules of war, also known as international humanitarian law:
from The International Committee of the Red Cross
and
Quote:
The 'Rules Of War' Are Being Broken. What Exactly Are They?
June 28, 201810:43 AM ET
June 28, 201810:43 AM ET
on NPR
and
at the US Department of Defense a 1236 page PDF, DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE LAW OF WAR MANUALDescription of Changes Promulgated on May 31, 2016
a few excerpts from the foreword, preface, and introduction,
Quote:
The law of war is a part of our military heritage, and obeying it is the right thing to do.
But we also know that the law of war poses no obstacle to fighting well and prevailing. Nations
have developed the law of war to be fundamentally consistent with the military doctrines that are
the basis for effective combat operations. For example, the self-control needed to refrain from
violations of the law of war under the stresses of combat is the same good order and discipline
necessary to operate cohesively and victoriously in battle. Similarly, the law of war’s
prohibitions on torture and unnecessary destruction are consistent with the practical insight that
such actions ultimately frustrate rather than accomplish the mission.
But we also know that the law of war poses no obstacle to fighting well and prevailing. Nations
have developed the law of war to be fundamentally consistent with the military doctrines that are
the basis for effective combat operations. For example, the self-control needed to refrain from
violations of the law of war under the stresses of combat is the same good order and discipline
necessary to operate cohesively and victoriously in battle. Similarly, the law of war’s
prohibitions on torture and unnecessary destruction are consistent with the practical insight that
such actions ultimately frustrate rather than accomplish the mission.
Quote:
1.3 DEFINITION OF THE LAW OF WAR
For the purposes of this manual, the law of war is that part of international law that
regulates the resort to armed force; the conduct of hostilities and the protection of war victims in
both international and non-international armed conflict; belligerent occupation; and the
relationships between belligerent, neutral, and non-belligerent States.6
For the purposes of this manual, the law of war is that part of international law that
regulates the resort to armed force; the conduct of hostilities and the protection of war victims in
both international and non-international armed conflict; belligerent occupation; and the
relationships between belligerent, neutral, and non-belligerent States.6
Quote:
1.3.2 The Law of War’s Relationship to Other Bodies of Law. An issue that often
confronts law of war practitioners is the relationship of the law of war to other bodies of law,
especially when rules in those bodies of law may appear to conflict with rules reflected in the
law of war. These apparent conflicts are often resolved by considering the principle that the law
of war is the lex specialis governing armed conflict.11 How a law of war rule relates to a
particular rule that is not grounded in the law of war may depend on the specific legal rule in
question.
In general, the law of war may relate to other bodies of law through: (1) law of war rules
superseding rules in other bodies of law with respect to armed conflict; (2) construing the rules in
other bodies of law to avoid conflict with law of war rules; (3) law of war rules informing the
content of general standards in other bodies of law, should such standards be construed to apply
to armed conflict; and (4) law of war treaties explicitly incorporating concepts from other bodies
of law.
In some cases, it may be difficult to distinguish between these approaches, and different
entities may apply different approaches to achieve the same result.12 Although there are different
approaches and although the ultimate resolution may depend on the specific rules and context,
the law of war, as the lex specialis of armed conflict, is the controlling body of law with regard
to the conduct of hostilities and the protection of war victims.13
1.3.2.1 The Law of War as the Lex Specialis Governing Armed Conflict. The
maxim lex specialis derogat legi generali means that “[a]s a rule the special rule overrides the 10
general law.”14 The rule that is more specifically directed towards the action receives priority
because it takes better account of the particular features of the context in which the law is to be
applied, thus creating a more equitable result and better reflecting the intent of the authorities
that have made the law.15
The law of war has been developed with special consideration of the circumstances of
war and the challenges inherent in its regulation by law. Thus, for example, the exigencies of
armed conflict cannot justify violating the law of war.16 Moreover, lawmakers sometimes have
considered peacetime rules appropriate to apply during armed conflict, and in certain of these
cases, they have explicitly incorporated such concepts into the law of war.17
Thus, traditionally, the law of war has been described as the only “authoritative rules of
action between hostile armies,” or as superseding ordinary law in the actual theater of military
operations.18 Similarly, law of war treaties have been viewed as a clear example of a lex
specialis in relation to treaties providing peacetime norms concerning the same subjects.19
confronts law of war practitioners is the relationship of the law of war to other bodies of law,
especially when rules in those bodies of law may appear to conflict with rules reflected in the
law of war. These apparent conflicts are often resolved by considering the principle that the law
of war is the lex specialis governing armed conflict.11 How a law of war rule relates to a
particular rule that is not grounded in the law of war may depend on the specific legal rule in
question.
In general, the law of war may relate to other bodies of law through: (1) law of war rules
superseding rules in other bodies of law with respect to armed conflict; (2) construing the rules in
other bodies of law to avoid conflict with law of war rules; (3) law of war rules informing the
content of general standards in other bodies of law, should such standards be construed to apply
to armed conflict; and (4) law of war treaties explicitly incorporating concepts from other bodies
of law.
In some cases, it may be difficult to distinguish between these approaches, and different
entities may apply different approaches to achieve the same result.12 Although there are different
approaches and although the ultimate resolution may depend on the specific rules and context,
the law of war, as the lex specialis of armed conflict, is the controlling body of law with regard
to the conduct of hostilities and the protection of war victims.13
1.3.2.1 The Law of War as the Lex Specialis Governing Armed Conflict. The
maxim lex specialis derogat legi generali means that “[a]s a rule the special rule overrides the 10
general law.”14 The rule that is more specifically directed towards the action receives priority
because it takes better account of the particular features of the context in which the law is to be
applied, thus creating a more equitable result and better reflecting the intent of the authorities
that have made the law.15
The law of war has been developed with special consideration of the circumstances of
war and the challenges inherent in its regulation by law. Thus, for example, the exigencies of
armed conflict cannot justify violating the law of war.16 Moreover, lawmakers sometimes have
considered peacetime rules appropriate to apply during armed conflict, and in certain of these
cases, they have explicitly incorporated such concepts into the law of war.17
Thus, traditionally, the law of war has been described as the only “authoritative rules of
action between hostile armies,” or as superseding ordinary law in the actual theater of military
operations.18 Similarly, law of war treaties have been viewed as a clear example of a lex
specialis in relation to treaties providing peacetime norms concerning the same subjects.19
Quote:
1.3.2.2 Construing Other Laws to Avoid Conflict With the Law of War. Potential conflicts between the law of war and other law may be resolved by construing such other law to
avoid conflict with law of war rules.
Underlying this approach is the fact that the law of war is firmly established in customary
international law as a well-developed body of law that is separate from the principles of law
generally applicable in peace.20 Lawmakers have been understood not to amend that well-
developed body of law, absent affirmative evidence of an intention to do so.21 In a similar
fashion, for comparison, the GC deliberately excludes from its application the nationals of
certain States in order to avoid creating complications or inconsistencies in procedures should
both the GC and the law applicable to normal diplomatic representation apply.22
In some cases, treaties explicitly clarify that they do not affect States’ rights under the
law of war.23 For example, the 1944 Chicago Convention on civil aviation explicitly provides
that it does not affect the freedom of action of States during armed conflict.24 However, even
when not explicitly stated, infringements on the law of war through international agreements that
primarily address situations other than armed conflict are not to be presumed.25
avoid conflict with law of war rules.
Underlying this approach is the fact that the law of war is firmly established in customary
international law as a well-developed body of law that is separate from the principles of law
generally applicable in peace.20 Lawmakers have been understood not to amend that well-
developed body of law, absent affirmative evidence of an intention to do so.21 In a similar
fashion, for comparison, the GC deliberately excludes from its application the nationals of
certain States in order to avoid creating complications or inconsistencies in procedures should
both the GC and the law applicable to normal diplomatic representation apply.22
In some cases, treaties explicitly clarify that they do not affect States’ rights under the
law of war.23 For example, the 1944 Chicago Convention on civil aviation explicitly provides
that it does not affect the freedom of action of States during armed conflict.24 However, even
when not explicitly stated, infringements on the law of war through international agreements that
primarily address situations other than armed conflict are not to be presumed.25
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