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27 Feb 2022, 8:17 am

Can someone identify the missile type in this frame:

Feel free to move this to news if this belongs in news.

Show Spoiler

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27 Feb 2022, 9:05 am

Looks it to me. The one in the "spoiler".

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27 Feb 2022, 9:08 am

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27 Feb 2022, 9:25 am

The only thing we can say from these few pixels is that it's fatty in the back.
Could be this, could be Iskander, could be anything fatty in the back.

Browsing through launched rocket photos I find it most similar to this:

but I can't identify it and it's just a random browse effect.

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27 Feb 2022, 9:56 am

Maybe this site might be useful in identifying it. It has a map of different misleading types used by Russia.

https://missilethreat.csis.org/country/russia/

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27 Feb 2022, 8:20 pm

I don't mean to offend, this is a genuine question: what does it matter?

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27 Feb 2022, 9:50 pm

shlaifu wrote:

I don't mean to offend, this is a genuine question: what does it matter?

Reporting accuracy. This is a fact-check thread.

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27 Feb 2022, 10:08 pm

:cry:

r00tb33r wrote:

shlaifu wrote:

I don't mean to offend, this is a genuine question: what does it matter?

Reporting accuracy. This is a fact-check thread.

yes, I get that. But what is the fact that's being checked, and is it checked merely for accuracy's sake or is there some possible consequence?

I'm wondering if you're trying to derive the model to prove the missile was not shot by the Russian army, or something like that.
Or are you just interested in heavy weapons?
or war history?

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27 Feb 2022, 10:23 pm

shlaifu wrote:

:cry:

r00tb33r wrote:

shlaifu wrote:

I don't mean to offend, this is a genuine question: what does it matter?

Reporting accuracy. This is a fact-check thread.

It's important because news networks use this imagery and accompanying commentary to drive a narrative. Images like this are easy bait for the creation of dangerous sentiments.

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28 Feb 2022, 7:11 am

r00tb33r wrote:

shlaifu wrote:

:cry:

r00tb33r wrote:

shlaifu wrote:

I don't mean to offend, this is a genuine question: what does it matter?

Reporting accuracy. This is a fact-check thread.

It's important because news networks use this imagery and accompanying commentary to drive a narrative. Images like this are easy bait for the creation of dangerous sentiments.

I think the point shlaifu is trying to make is how would identifying the exact make and model of the missile affect the use of imagery and narrative?

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28 Feb 2022, 7:56 am

The_Walrus wrote:

r00tb33r wrote:

shlaifu wrote:

:cry:

r00tb33r wrote:

shlaifu wrote:

I don't mean to offend, this is a genuine question: what does it matter?

Reporting accuracy. This is a fact-check thread.

It's important because news networks use this imagery and accompanying commentary to drive a narrative. Images like this are easy bait for the creation of dangerous sentiments.

I think the point shlaifu is trying to make is how would identifying the exact make and model of the missile affect the use of imagery and narrative?

It would for those that care to know the truth.

Personally I first heard a narrative in western news reports, without any details. Then I heard a different thing said in a live stream (voice) discussion on YouTube, but with some details. While the western narrative is not implausible, in the context of the fact presented in the discussion a different, but more complete picture emerges that is no less plausible. I just want to know how it really happened. Maybe someone else will find value in that too.

Otherwise you're right, the news outlets will use any image to shape a narrative, regardless of the facts.

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28 Feb 2022, 8:53 am

You’re still not answering the question.

Why would finding out that this is a Kh-101 instead of a Kh-102 make any difference?

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28 Feb 2022, 9:04 am

The_Walrus wrote:

You’re still not answering the question.

Why would finding out that this is a Kh-101 instead of a Kh-102 make any difference?

Model would imply usage, ground-to-air, air-to-air, air-to-ground, or ground-to-ground. The usage would imply the likely circumstances of how it was fired, and possibly by whom. That's as direct of an answer as you can possibly get.

Are you able to contribute anything of value here?

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28 Feb 2022, 9:29 am

The bottom line is: this apartment building was damaged by a missile.

To the people who are displaced by the damage caused by this missile, the make and model of missile really doesn't matter.

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28 Feb 2022, 9:42 am

kraftiekortie wrote:

The bottom line is: this apartment building was damaged by a missile.

To the people who are displaced by the damage caused by this missile, the make and model of missile really doesn't matter.

That point has been made.

Accountability matters too.

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28 Feb 2022, 9:59 am

r00tb33r wrote:

Accountability matters too.

Yes, when everyone is safe again.

Putin started this war. He and his KGB blokes. This is the person who should be taken accountable first. He is harming Ukrainians and Russians.

Then, everyone, on any side, who crossed the line and started harming civilians.
The one who gave the order to shoot GRAD at Charkiv. The one who gave order to shoot at an ambulance. Numerous cases to be reviewed after we're all safe.

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