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05 Mar 2022, 6:05 pm

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Michael Schellenberger:

*Natural gas is cleaner than coal.
*Germany closing nuclear power plants. Looking at keeping nuclear power plants going longer. This is from a green energy minister.
*Russinas funding anti-fracking.
*Environmentalists are agents for Russia. <ironic>

Elon Musk: Expand fossil fuel generation.


These are extracts from "The Outsiders", a right-leaning program in Australia.

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Michael Shellenberger (born 1971) is an American author who co-edited and wrote books including Break Through: From the Death of Environmentalism to the Politics of Possibility (2007), An Ecomodernist Manifesto (2015), and Apocalypse Never: Why Environmental Alarmism Hurts Us All (2020).[2][3][4] A former public relations professional, Shellenberger's writing has focused on the intersection of climate change, nuclear energy, and politics. A self-described ecomodernist, he argues for an embrace of modernization, and technological development usually through a combination of nuclear power and urbanization.[5][6][7][8] A controversial and polarizing figure, Shellenberger sharply disagrees with other environmentalists over the impacts of environmental threats and policies for addressing them.[9] Shellenberger's positions have been called "bad science" and "inaccurate" by environmental scientists and academics.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Shellenberger



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05 Mar 2022, 6:20 pm

nuclear is expensive, dangerous and has a bit of a waste problem. It also can't function as a supplement to wind and solar, basically because apparently you can't just quickly turn a nuclear powerplant on for the night when there's no solar power coming in, and off the next morning, and on again at night.


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06 Mar 2022, 1:08 am

shlaifu wrote:
nuclear is expensive, dangerous and has a bit of a waste problem. It also can't function as a supplement to wind and solar, basically because apparently you can't just quickly turn a nuclear powerplant on for the night when there's no solar power coming in, and off the next morning, and on again at night.


Germany is talking about keeping their nuclear reactors.
Apparently, pootin is more dangerous. :mrgreen:



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06 Mar 2022, 5:13 am

Pepe wrote:
shlaifu wrote:
nuclear is expensive, dangerous and has a bit of a waste problem. It also can't function as a supplement to wind and solar, basically because apparently you can't just quickly turn a nuclear powerplant on for the night when there's no solar power coming in, and off the next morning, and on again at night.


Germany is talking about keeping their nuclear reactors.
Apparently, pootin is more dangerous. :mrgreen:


the idea occasionally comes up, esp. from the parties that consider climate change less of a problem than a drop in GDP.
But by now, energy corporations don't want to go back to nuclear. Contracts have been made to decomission the plants and handle the spent fuel etc. - walking back from these and maintaining these old plants would create more costs than profits, and they don't want to build new ones...


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06 Mar 2022, 5:24 am

shlaifu wrote:

the idea occasionally comes up, esp. from the parties that consider climate change less of a problem than a drop in GDP.
But by now, energy corporations don't want to go back to nuclear. Contracts have been made to decomission the plants and handle the spent fuel etc. - walking back from these and maintaining these old plants would create more costs than profits, and they don't want to build new ones...


Time will tell.

There is also talk about Italy reopening coal minds to ween themselves off the need of pootin's fossil fuels.