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08 Mar 2022, 10:00 am



You've Presented A Detailed Report of the Difficulties (There is No Such thing, by
the Way of TL;DR;DC for me now; i Would Be Severely Ashamed to Admit Such Deficiency
Indeed Now As i Always Didn't Have the Focus on Task of A 'Blue Whale'; True, i Used to
Be 'Gifted' More Like the Science Assessed Average Human Attention Span Now of a 'Gold Fish at Yes
Literally less than a Twitter Breath of 3 Seconds too; Yet that was way back in Grade School Thank God,

End of Long Parenthetical Statement For now; i DO enjoy Long Reads, thanks, Use it or lose it Applies to
All Stuff Existence) Russia Faces in The Global Communion Supporting the Democracy

of Ukraine; Of Course, now the "Military Might of Ukraine" is Not only Spirit
And Character of Keeping the Nation's Sovereignty in Tact; Yet the Outpouring

of Weapon's Support of NATO in Unison of 'Choir Effort.' And Guess What, Yes the

World Has a Common Enemy Again, Overall, Putin and His Regime; As Memories of
Trump And George W. Bush's Regimes Fall Further From Memory; However, Trump is Still

A Player for Power; And Indeed This is a win in the Short Term at Least for American Democracy, As
So Far Trump's Comrade Putin Falling Into Global Disgrace, Removes Some of Trump's 'Playing
Value' For 2024 Political Capital in the Future, in the United States; And By Association in Some
Effect of Correlation, Those Who are in Support of Trump's Regime too; And Additionally This War in

Ukraine Shows How Differently This is Portrayed Since the Other Incursions Russia Has Played

in Decades Past; As Now We Have the Information Highway More Fully Available At Our Fingertips

In Global BroadBand Ways to Show the Heroes Living, And The Villain's Merciless Killing of Civilians;

Of Course the United States Was Guilty of the Same in the War in Iraq, Unjustified as such; Yet there

Were No Smart Phone Videos

of As Much Blood

and Guts; Makes a Huge
Impact Again AND AGAIN on 24 Hour
News Stations Around the World Indeed

The Horrors of Barbarism of War on the Global
Stage for all to see; How Uncivilized And Cruel
From More of the View of the Soldier And Dead Civilian than so Distant And Far Away....

True, Who Doesn't remember "That Little Vietnam Girl Crying Naked Through the Hell of Vietnam"

Multiply That By 'Real Time Images' Over and Over again as Hell Hath no Furry Like a Smart Phone

'Real Time
Capture'

Of Human
Suffering and
Brutality Against
Women and Children too...

And Again There is the 5 Foot 7
Hero of Ukraine Who Shows You
Don't Have to Be Tall to Be A Real Man And Hero too...

This Go Around the Underdog is Being Supported; The Big (With
Little Man Syndrome) Bully On the Block is Not Having His and Or Her way Without

Interference Now of Harming, Raping And Or Maiming, Killing Innocents at ease...

And True, on the Big Global Stage, Just Like in Effect of Pandemic Impacts This Goes

to Show How Economically The World Depends on Each Other Globally As One Moving,
Connecting, Co-Creating World; Nope, Isolation is Not the 'Macho' Way to Go; Isolation is

The Way of
the 'Do Do Bird'

Falling, Falling By
The Wayside; Withering,
Withering, Away into Oblivion

As This Is Not Only Economic Reality Now;

It is the Way of the Social Animal in All Of the
Animal Kingdom; Furry Little Creatures Cooperating

Stronger Together; True, It's Not Easy to Do Among Billions
to Do; Yet True, Humans Are Giving it A Best Shot Now For Real...

Hey, Bees can Do it;

Maybe We Will Be

Successful Insects

Protecting a Global Hive too...

Yawn, Trump Made China into A Big Bad
Bully to Get the Heat off of Russia; Those Folks

Over there are A Still Developing Country Trying

To Lift Their Heads Up into the Sunshine of Human Greater Comforts;

Yes, Still Developing For the Masses of the Economically Impoverished there
Not As Difficult as India; Yet Still Far to Go to Reach a More Comfortable Way of Life;

Extremely Talented People (Immigrants) Around the World Are Still Sacrificing Close to Decades of Their

Life to Enjoy the Freedoms the United States Still Does Bring; Hopefully the People Here Will Come

to Appreciate

This Great Gift
of Representative
Democracy We Already
Have; There is Nothing Like
A Little And A Whole Lot of Blood
And Guts on the Big World Smart Phone Stage

To Get the Attention of Folks Sitting on their
Butts in the "Hardee's Breakfast Club" my Age

A Bit Below and Above,

Pretending

Like they

Are Real
Men Now;

With A Hero Like Putin's
Way of Authoritarianism Now

That Trump Image Isn't Gonna Age so Well Now...

Anyway, This is A forum For Philosophy, Politics,
And Religion; ALL 3 Areas Are Truly Inseparable For

What Impacts All of Human Existence Now; You Presented
A Well Thought-Out Opinion; And NO YOU DO NOT DESERVE SOME

'GNAT SWAT' OF
A DIG OF

PRESENTING
A CONSPIRACY
THEORY AS THAT
IS NOT WHAT YOU DID...

Anyone Who Has overcome
the TL;DR;DC, 'Philosophy' Will
Clearly See this Now With a Bit
of 'Right Brain Interpretive Intelligence', 'infused' as well....

Again, Thank You For an Interesting read; i Don't Agree With Your
Conclusion of Opinion; Yet “To learn is to share And to share is
to learn some more….” Quoted From An Indian Woman 'Sage'

From Yesterday As She Celebrates
"International Women's Day" today...

No One Important Really;

Just Someone Who Understands

And Relates the Depth of the Human

Soul Beyond Measure; It's Easier to Do in
A Country That Doesn't Believe Men are Only Gods;

(However Statues of Elephants Do Get A Lot of Praise)

And Indeed That is Part of Russia and Putin's Problem too;

A Belief in A Smaller God Than All that is Or Him or Trump
Or Another Statue As Well...

The Spirit of Humanity,

The 'Underdog' is

MaKinG

His and
or Her Worth
KNoWN for Now...

As Indeed This is
How the Meek Will Inherit
the Earth Through Cooperation,
Collaboration, And Corroboration too...

As Humming
Birds and Bees
Still Do Please...:)



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08 Mar 2022, 6:04 pm

magz wrote:
I was expecting a new Iron Curtain since Crimea... it looks like the hegemony in the new Second World is going to be Chinese.


For us, Europeans, this is not a bad thing, though. Xi is a ruthless bastard, but his goals and ambitions are elsewhere. He still sees both US and EU as strategic partners needed to fuel his economy. Yes, there is rivalry here, too, but . He also does have a different style of doing politics compared to Putin - way more calculated and it looks like he believes that economy is the greatest influence asset, much more important than military strength. Maybe he'll be able to keep this rabid dog of a country called Russia on a leash for a while, at least. But yeah, even more Chinese hegemony in the East means that a lot of nations are screwed.

By the way - Russian media outlets have started to try and convince citizens that Yuan is a superior currency to US dollar (given that they preach a huge recession coming in US) and a better alternative. Any Russian with half-brain was saving in USD or EUR before invasion, because of how volatile Rouble was. Now they are being cut off from the possibility, so state is telling them "no big deal, simply buy Yuan, it is better". Shows their faith in their own currency, lol.



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08 Mar 2022, 6:11 pm

magz wrote:
My opinion: No one won so far. WWIII is ongoing. Or rather WWIV, WWIII having been the Cold War.
China would love weakened Russia as their satellite. They will try to play towards this goal now.


Absolutely, totally.
Self-evident to me. 8)

Hysterically Historically, Russia and China haven't gotten on.
China has territorial claims against Russia.
xi would be gleeful about pootin's humiliation. :mrgreen:



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08 Mar 2022, 6:16 pm

KMCIURA wrote:
magz wrote:
My opinion: No one won so far. WWIII is ongoing. Or rather WWIV, WWIII having been the Cold War.
China would love weakened Russia as their satellite. They will try to play towards this goal now.


Russia is already weakened and becoming China's satellite country. Just take a look at Russian propaganda from recent days. They have headlines like:

"Only 1/3 of Russians will still buy and use western products and services"
"Russians reacted positively to Chinese replacements of western products"
"The trade between Russia and China grew by 38,5% during past two months"
"Russia and China stand together in opposition to cold war era mentality"

There's more of that. The "we do not need west, we have China" has replaced the initial line of "we do not need west, Russia is self-sustainable" and even earlier "sanctions are weak and won't hurt us" to justify growing influence of China over Russian economy. They are literally at the mercy of Xi now. He wields the power to destroy Russia if he wishes so.


pootin wanted to do that to Europe through the stupidity of European dependence on Russian fossil fuels.



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08 Mar 2022, 6:24 pm

KMCIURA wrote:
He (xi) also does have a different style of doing politics compared to Putin - way more calculated and it looks like he believes that economy is the greatest influence asset, much more important than military strength.



Don't underestimate the importance of xi's military.
He has the largest offensive navy in the world and has increased military spending by over 7% recently.
Totalitarian governments value military strength, because "Might Makes Right".
Economic strength was simply a means to this end.



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08 Mar 2022, 7:57 pm

Pepe wrote:
KMCIURA wrote:
He (xi) also does have a different style of doing politics compared to Putin - way more calculated and it looks like he believes that economy is the greatest influence asset, much more important than military strength.



Don't underestimate the importance of xi's military.
He has the largest offensive navy in the world and has increased military spending by over 7% recently.
Totalitarian governments value military strength, because "Might Makes Right".
Economic strength was simply a means to this end.


Yup, however, thus far Xi showed way more patience in achieving his goals than Putin did.

I mean, Putin snapped with Ukraine. He could use his political pressure and means of informational warfare to regain Ukraine under Russia's influence. It is highly likely that such plan would end up a success.

Ukrainians felt let down by their pro-western government which failed to improve their living and make country better for average citizen. They also felt let down by the west, which offered them very little apart from visas to go into some countries and become cheap workforce. They were not dealing with west on equal terms and after lack of serious intervention after Crimea annexation and Donetsk insurgency, they felt like Europe does not care for them. It was predicted that Zelensky won't be elected for a second term and his party will lose its position.

It would be easy for Putin to topple the balance in favour of Russia once again. All he needed to do was using carrot instead of a stick, giving Ukrainians a "civilizational offer" which would be better than what they had and more realistic and thus, desirable than aspirations of integration with EU. He really could use the common cultural heritage of Russia and Ukraine, instead of simply talking about it. Then, after more pro-Kremlin government would be elected, put some funding into Ukrainian public infrastructure to be seen as force for good. I mean, this is exactly what China is now doing in African countries, when they build and fund schools and hospitals.

But this would take time and Putin has set himself a goal of "making Russia great again". He is 70 years old and clock is ticking. Hence, aggression.

I think that Xi sees his action in context of longer term game for China as a whole and actually thinks about what will happen with the country after he retires/dies. These are goals for a whole country, not only his personal ones. Putin, on the other hand, have goals which he want to achieve by himself and live to see a victory. These are mainly his personal goals, Russia comes second.