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07 Apr 2022, 4:57 pm

China warns of 'strong measures' if U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi visits Taiwan

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China on Thursday reacted sharply to reports of a planned Taiwan visit by U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, saying it would take strong measures in response and warning that such a trip would negatively impact China-U.S. relations.

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian told reporters that the United States should cancel the trip and stop official exchanges with Taiwan, state-run news agency Xinhua reported.

If the U.S. insists on going its own way, China will certainly take strong measures to firmly defend national sovereignty and territorial integrity," Zhao said.

"All consequences that arise will be entirely borne by the U.S."

Early last month, the administration of U.S. President Joe Biden sent a delegation of former defense officials to Taipei in a show of support shortly after the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

The State Department approved a $95 million arms sale to Taiwan earlier this week and Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen said Wednesday that the United States was prepared to impose sanctions on China if it were to invade Taiwan.

Did the US just tell China there will be no military consequences for invading Taiwan?

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08 Apr 2022, 7:24 pm

Is Taiwan really that important? Let China have it.

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08 Apr 2022, 7:57 pm

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Is Taiwan really that important? Let China have it.

It is important that China does not own Taiwan if it is to limit China's development.
It is important to have a military base in Taiwan if a military strike against China is to be carried out.

Personal opinion:
It is important to maintain neither "independence" nor "unification" if Taiwan wants to develop better.

For countries not involved in the above activities. Unimportant.

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08 Apr 2022, 9:09 pm

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China warns of 'strong measures' if U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi visits Taiwan

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Did the US just tell China there will be no military consequences for invading Taiwan?

Sounds like it.
Typical democrat diplomacy to give an aggressor the green light to invade.
Biden did it with Ukraine.
The Biden administration seems to be doing it with Taiwan.

Bad, bad, dog democrats!
You just don't do that sort of thing.
Keep the other mob guessing, ffs. :roll:

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08 Apr 2022, 9:12 pm

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cyberdad wrote:

Is Taiwan really that important? Let China have it.

Surely what happened to Hong Kong and Macao will happen in Taiwan? Pro-China politicians will eventually emerge in Taiwan and China will simply walk into the country.

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08 Apr 2022, 9:17 pm

cyberdad wrote:

SkinnedWolf wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

Is Taiwan really that important? Let China have it.

Surely what happened to Hong Kong and Macao will happen in Taiwan? Pro-China politicians will eventually emerge in Taiwan and China will simply walk into the country.

Shades of Austria!

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08 Apr 2022, 9:53 pm

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Shades of Austria!

The German-Austrian merger is fundamentally different from the China-Taiwan relationship.

Both Germany and Austria were part of the Holy Roman Empire. Relations are close to Russia and Ukraine.

Between China and Taiwan is an unfinished civil war between the CCP and KMT, and both sides are planning "unification" since the KMT retreated to Taiwan. Because the strength of the two sides has been insufficient, there is no follow-up hot battle.
You can still see them using the words "Taiwan and Mainland" in the relevant regulations of the Taiwanese government. Both CCP and KMT claim to own the whole of China at the same time.
To fully become an independent country requires KMT to give up its claims to mainland China, or KMT to give up its influence in Taiwan.

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The relationship between People's Republic of China and Republic of China is closer to Republic of Korea and Democratic People's Republic of Korea. It was also a country that was divided in two after World War II.
How will South Korea be evaluated for wanting to unify North Korea?

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08 Apr 2022, 10:16 pm

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Between China and Taiwan is an unfinished civil war between the CCP and KMT, and both sides are planning "unification" since the KMT retreated to Taiwan. Because the strength of the two sides has been insufficient, there is no follow-up hot battle.

Chang Kai Shek used triads to enforce his rule did he not? Taiwan became a base for his operations after the KMT and the Green gang escaped from Mao's forces.

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09 Apr 2022, 2:23 am

cyberdad wrote:

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Chang Kai Shek used triads to enforce his rule did he not? Taiwan became a base for his operations after the KMT and the Green gang escaped from Mao's forces.

Dubious claim. There is very little related content in Chinese.
Chiang Kai-shek used a branch of the triad (the Green Gang) to arrest and slaughter the Communists (1927). The leaders of the youth gang, Jin Rong and Du Yuesheng, are closely related to him.
Huang Jinrong, who remained on the mainland, died(1951) after the founding of the People's Republic of China.
Du Yuesheng, went to Hong Kong in April 1949. There is speculation that this was because he was persecuted by Chiang Kai-shek. According to the memoirs of Du Yuesheng's grandson, Du Yuesheng had a conflict of interest(1948) with Chiang Kai-shek .

A base for his operations: Yes.
After the founding of the People's Republic of China, in the first half of 1950, it announced that it would "liberate Taiwan". But when U.S. President Harry Truman projected military power on Taiwan on June 27, 1950, the mainland did not have enough power to attack Taiwan. Then Chiang Kai-shek formulated a series of "counter-offensive" plans. There are numerous archival traces of this.

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09 Apr 2022, 2:53 am

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Chang Kai Shek used triads to enforce his rule did he not? Taiwan became a base for his operations after the KMT and the Green gang escaped from Mao's forces.

The overall impression I had of Chang Kai Shek in school history was that he was a mafia boss.

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09 Apr 2022, 3:04 am

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The overall impression I had of Chang Kai Shek in school history was that he was a mafia boss.

I guess he more identified himself as the leader of the KMT. And his autobiography shows him to be quite...narcissistic.

He is much more evil than a mafia boss.
Huayuankou dyke burst incident

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The Huayuankou dyke burst incident occurred on June 9, 1938 during the Anti-Japanese War of the Republic of China. The Nanjing National Government took advantage of the Yellow River's flood season to strategically destroy the embankment in Huayuankou Town, Henan Province, and implemented a scorched-earth policy in an attempt to prevent the Imperial Japanese Army from advancing westward along the Yellow River.
The incident caused floods on the east side of the Pinghan Railway, and 89,300 people were killed in the floods in Henan, Huibei, and Jiangsu. In addition to drowning, more people died due to disease or famine, including the 1939 floods, the 1942 locust plague, and even some of the dead in the 1943 drought, which indirectly caused more than 300,000 to 800,000 deaths.
The Huayuankou dyke burst incident was finally declassified in the 1980s, after the Nationalist government had always claimed that the dyke burst was caused by Japanese bombing.

Huayuankou is the embankment of the Yellow River. Huayuankou is located in Henan, which is the most densely populated place in China and an important agricultural area.

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09 Apr 2022, 3:24 am

SkinnedWolf wrote:

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The overall impression I had of Chang Kai Shek in school history was that he was a mafia boss.

I guess he more identified himself as the leader of the KMT. And his autobiography shows him to be quite...narcissistic.

He is much more evil than a mafia boss.
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Huayuankou is the embankment of the Yellow River. Huayuankou is located in Henan, which is the most densely populated place in China and an important agricultural area.

Well he seems to have something in common with Richard Nixon (who facilitated the genocide of several hundred thousand Bangladeshis by west Pakistan) and Sir Winston Churchill (who caused the Bengal famine that killed millions of Indians).

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09 Apr 2022, 3:31 am

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At least they are not exterminating their own citizens.

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09 Apr 2022, 4:09 am

Pepe wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

SkinnedWolf wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

Is Taiwan really that important? Let China have it.

Surely what happened to Hong Kong and Macao will happen in Taiwan? Pro-China politicians will eventually emerge in Taiwan and China will simply walk into the country.

Shades of Austria!

Personal opinion:
Austrians welcomed the Germans(including a certain clinician named Hans Asperger), Taiwanese won’t.

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09 Apr 2022, 4:14 am

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Personal opinion:
Austrians welcomed the Germans(including a certain clinician named Hans Asperger), Taiwanese won’t.

What they do to mainland Chinese is not just "unwelcome".
https://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=403880&p=9013849#p9013533
a small part

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09 Apr 2022, 6:34 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:

Pepe wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

SkinnedWolf wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

Is Taiwan really that important? Let China have it.

Surely what happened to Hong Kong and Macao will happen in Taiwan? Pro-China politicians will eventually emerge in Taiwan and China will simply walk into the country.

Shades of Austria!

Personal opinion:
Austrians welcomed the Germans(including a certain clinician named Hans Asperger), Taiwanese won’t.

I think you missed the part where some in Taiwan want "reunification".

Not all Austrians wanted to join Germany, btw.

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