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The video itself is very detailed, the material chosen is completely real, and I don't have to go into it too much.
Since the material of the video only uses audio from the Shanghai epidemic, and more events are not in the form of audio, this is just the tip of the iceberg of the disaster in Shanghai.

I have a friend who is locals in Shanghai and was blocked in Shanghai at the beginning of the epidemic, so I can get first-hand information.
I fully endorse the authenticity of all "content" in the video.

The video, which started circulating at 0:00 a.m. yesterday (April 23), was blocked by Chinese official that morning.


But the second piece of material I provided for this event came from a We-Media political commentator's criticism of the matter.

This commentator is a moderate pro-government. I usually don't share his views. But this time I didn't find the loophole of the quoted content. But I'm not entirely sure about the last point.


Due to an apparent conflict of interest. I'm usually cautious about whether an "organized external influence" intervention can benefit the "Chinese people."
But what the Shanghai government has done this time is outrageous.

Note: There is an obvious contradiction between the Shanghai government and the Chinese central government (which I briefly talked about in this thread), and the actions of the Shanghai government do not represent the actions of the rest of China. The Jilin government, which broke out of the novel coronavirus epidemic at the same time, did it...acceptable.
At present, there is a lot of evidence that the Shanghai government has the suspicion of a comprador government.

So this time, although there is a high suspicion that there is the intervention of "organized external influence", I will not make my personal evaluation.

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New word to me, had to go look it up.
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Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more
com·pra·dor
/ˌkämprəˈdôr/
noun: comprador; plural noun: compradors; noun: compradore; plural noun: compradores

a person within a country who acts as an agent for foreign organizations engaged in investment, trade, or economic or political exploitation.
"successful compradors made vast fortunes"
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Interesting origins, https://www.britannica.com/topic/comprador

"comprador, (Portuguese: “buyer”, ) also spelled Compradore, member of the Chinese merchant class who aided Western traders in China in the late 18th, 19th, and early 20th centuries. Hired by contract, the comprador was responsible for a Chinese staff of currency-exchange specialists, interpreters, coolies, and guardsmen. Many compradors became extremely wealthy and established businesses of their own. In recent times, the term comprador has come to denote those people who aided Western exploitation of China.
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^Yes, this is a very Chinese historical term. So it's not so widely used elsewhere. I was even a little surprised that my translation software would directly give me the translation of this term.

In the Chinese context, it is generally believed that the comprador plays an important role in the process of semicolonization of a country.

Before the founding of the PRC, Shanghai was the base of the "comprador by strict definition".

In this specific context, this means that the Shanghai government has an interest connection with certain capitalists, makes a lot of profits in a way that ignores the interests of the people, and involves foreign capital.
For example, there is information that Shanghai has the capital/government to order a large number of Pfizer specific medicine, and this may be the reason for the lack of enthusiasm of the Shanghai government to prevent the spread of the novel coronavirus.

This it why is good to have people from all around the planet here, it brings opportunity to learn various things one would (well, at at least I would) most likely have not learned.

That brings to mind a comment I made the other day using references from the Oxford English Dictionary itself, and from the New York Times mentioning the OED and other dictionaries, saying that it is incorrect to have the attitude that the definitions in dictionaries are the absolute arbiter of the limits of what a word does mean and can mean.

And, actually, after looking up the word I correctly deduced its usage in that context.
Yay me!

And to be fair, Yay the internet!

Why was the food distribution so poor?

Organized - yes; external - not necessarily.
I mean all the quoted arguments suggest release of this video was an organized action. Yes. No one would make an effort of creating such a video without organized support.
But I see no reason why it has to be "external" - to the contrary, knowledge of Internet monitoring practices suggests those involved are Chinese.

Unless Chinese government labels all organizations not controlled by them "external", of course.

They sometimes have this tendency, and usually they don't name a specific event, but rather in a very general way.

China has complex political leanings and it is easy to recruit Chinese willing to cooperate.
A recent patriotic self-media blogger trolled a foreign media online (I despise this behavior), and the foreign media reporter he trolled was a Chinese.
Chengdu had a consulate of a certain country (I willnt naming the names in order to avoid off-topic controversy) two years ago. In protests that broke out there, the leaders used standard Chinese rather than the local dialect. After the consulate closed, local protests dwindled. This country's recent open call for "collaborators" required candidates to speak a variety of Chinese dialects, but but does not contain the one where the consulate is located — an influential dialect.
Also, this organizational power goes beyond what China might allow. If they are all Chinese living in China, it would be difficult for the operation to succeed. Unless they're using illegal means (me sometimes too, BTW) to communicate entirely through foreign communication channel. I usually work alone, and I don't know if the government would be "lenient" with a group.
And the filter used in this video feels very familiar to me... A foreign media report on China usually uses this filter. I have never seen this style on the Chinese internet before. Maybe it's because the organization is imitating, maybe not.
So, suspicion.

(Pepe's question I still need to sort out the material)

Interesting article
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-61202603

I assume the CCP consider this an internal matter in terms of managing the flow of information in and out of Shanghai.

This is real.
So this created a huge difficulty for me to organize my postings - the information I had to gather was so fragmented. I can get them eventually, but need to sort it out myself.
Messages about isolated negative events can often be discussed (we don't necessarily get the "original file"), but articles that attempt to integrate these events can easily be censored and deleted.
This should be the most sensitive event in recent years (Beyond 2020 Wuhan). It's been a long time since I've encountered such information that needs to be pieced together.

I suspect because it involves a political fight. And neither side wants the political struggle to be watched.

This reminds me of the early stages of the Wuhan outbreak in 2020. Conflicting images were being broadcast that did not make sense to the foreign media. The authorities were attempting to clamp down on circulation of images/footage of residents being forcibly isolated or removed when testing positive. There were images of dead people on the street, people throwing pets from buildings, crematoriums full of cremated ashes of what appeared to be thousands of dead. There were US satellite images of Wuhan hospital being inundated with patients as early as Sept 2019 which means the CCP were blocking all news of the outbreak for 5 months before it leaked out to the outside world.

There is a joke:
Shanghai residents can get information faster by watching Japanese news.
There are many Japanese in Shanghai. So it seems that some Japanese media are very concerned about this.

But because the vast majority of Shanghainese are just waiting at home. So we can get the message they posted.

Events in Wuhan focused on the government's lack of capacity to respond to disasters.
But the incident in Shanghai is more about corruption by the Shanghai government.

I am glad you have come here and do post.

Yes that is a fair assessment. The CCP is certainly handling of the outbreak in Shanghai in a manner I have become accustomed to seeing. From a global perspective it would have been better if they acted the same way in Wuhan in 2019.

That group of leaders in Wuhan in 2019 has been removed.

China's political structure and cultural background make them prone to masking problems at the outset.
Or, they're dealing with a problem, but don't want us to know they're dealing with it.

This sounds about right.