25 Apr 2022, 6:45 am
25 Apr 2022, 6:49 am
SkinnedWolf wrote:
Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
magz wrote:
How I understand Shanghai is:
Loose control and international contacts up to recently have resulted in:
a) economical growth
b) foreign influence
c) corruption
all at the same time.
It's possible central government has been turning the blind eye on b) and c) because of a).
Now it has changed and, unfortunately, the three may be too interwined with each other to easily solve the problem of corruption without huge losses to the economy and, thus, to people's well-being.
Loose control and international contacts up to recently have resulted in:
a) economical growth
b) foreign influence
c) corruption
all at the same time.
It's possible central government has been turning the blind eye on b) and c) because of a).
Now it has changed and, unfortunately, the three may be too interwined with each other to easily solve the problem of corruption without huge losses to the economy and, thus, to people's well-being.
Their actions aren't entirely unforseen though. Prior to COVID the CCP clamped down on Hong Kong in order to stamp out anti-CCP elements but prior to this they also turned a blind eye to HK due to the economic window it provided to foreign markets
Didn't things change when Xi came into power?
Xi took power in 2013.
The armed conflict in Hong Kong first occurred in 2020, at least that's the information I can easily collect.
long time interval.
I see, but I think it is clear he had his eye on HK and Taiwan. It would be his "legacy" to reunite China, the way pootin wants to reunite the former Soviet Union.
This is basic human psychology 101.
25 Apr 2022, 6:55 am
Pepe wrote:
I see, but I think it is clear he had his eye on HK and Taiwan. It would be his "legacy" to reunite China, the way pootin wants to reunite the former Soviet Union.
This is basic human psychology 101.
This is basic human psychology 101.
I think before there was armed conflict in Hong Kong, the central government was not so concerned about the political leanings there.
This is in line with the CCP's handling of other political dissent.
25 Apr 2022, 6:58 am
SkinnedWolf wrote:
Pepe wrote:
I see, but I think it is clear he had his eye on HK and Taiwan. It would be his "legacy" to reunite China, the way pootin wants to reunite the former Soviet Union.
This is basic human psychology 101.
This is basic human psychology 101.
I think before there was armed conflict in Hong Kong, the central government was not so concerned about the political leanings there.
This is in line with the CCP's handling of other political dissent.
My understanding is that the only reason there was open dissent in HK was because of the treatment by the CCP, who controlled HK's government.
25 Apr 2022, 7:01 am
Pepe wrote:
SkinnedWolf wrote:
Pepe wrote:
I see, but I think it is clear he had his eye on HK and Taiwan. It would be his "legacy" to reunite China, the way pootin wants to reunite the former Soviet Union.
This is basic human psychology 101.
This is basic human psychology 101.
I think before there was armed conflict in Hong Kong, the central government was not so concerned about the political leanings there.
This is in line with the CCP's handling of other political dissent.
My understanding is that the only reason there was open dissent in HK was because of the treatment by the CCP, who controlled HK's government.
Many reasons.
The fatal one: Hong Kong has a rather deformed capitalist system and scarce land, which makes local young people very desperate for life. You can imagine local real estate and living costs.
25 Apr 2022, 7:03 am
SkinnedWolf wrote:
Pepe wrote:
SkinnedWolf wrote:
Pepe wrote:
I see, but I think it is clear he had his eye on HK and Taiwan. It would be his "legacy" to reunite China, the way pootin wants to reunite the former Soviet Union.
This is basic human psychology 101.
This is basic human psychology 101.
I think before there was armed conflict in Hong Kong, the central government was not so concerned about the political leanings there.
This is in line with the CCP's handling of other political dissent.
My understanding is that the only reason there was open dissent in HK was because of the treatment by the CCP, who controlled HK's government.
Many reasons.
The fatal one: Hong Kong has a rather deformed capitalist system and scarce land, which makes local young people very desperate for life. You can imagine local real estate and living costs.
Enlightening.
26 Apr 2022, 4:03 pm
27 Apr 2022, 4:20 am
27 Apr 2022, 4:22 am
29 Apr 2022, 1:14 am
An answer on another "Shanghai" thread:
The result is that nothing has changed.
National Health Commission: "Dynamic zero" and economic development are not opposite
Quote:
This morning (29th), at a press conference of the State Council Information Office, Liang Wannian, head of the expert group of the National Health Commission's Leading Group for Epidemic Response and Disposal, said: "Dynamic zero" and normal economic development, production and life are synergistic with each other, not against each other.
Liang Wannian pointed out that the ultimate goal of "Dynamic Zero" is to maximize the protection of people's health and life safety, as well as maximize the protection of social and economic development and normal production and life. "Dynamic zero" and normal economic development, production and life are synergistic with each other, not against each other.
Liang Wannian said that "Dynamic Zero" has three sub-goals: first, the protection of physical health and life safety; second, to effectively protect and promote economic development, so that economic development can be protected from the impact of viruses and epidemics; The third is to effectively protect the normal production and life of ordinary people.
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Liang Wannian pointed out that my country is a country with a large population, regional development is unbalanced, medical resources are generally insufficient, and resource allocation is unbalanced. As I said just now, the overall vaccination rate of "one old and one young" is not high enough. In the face of the repeated impact of the new crown pneumonia epidemic, if the so-called "lying flat" strategy of coexisting with the virus is adopted, there will be a serious risk of running on medical and health resources. The health of a large number of patients with underlying diseases, the elderly, children, and pregnant women will be threatened.
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Li Bin emphasized that under the premise of adhering to the general policy of "dynamic zero", we encourage local governments to explore and summarize some good experiences and practices based on the local epidemic situation and characteristics. Further improve the scientific and precise level of epidemic prevention and control, and strive to achieve the greatest prevention and control effect with the least cost.
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"Dynamic zero" also promotes the development of the digital economy. For example, the telemedicine and big data technologies we use have promoted the development of China's digital economy, effectively safeguarding people's livelihood, and protecting vulnerable groups.(
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Liang Wannian pointed out that the ultimate goal of "Dynamic Zero" is to maximize the protection of people's health and life safety, as well as maximize the protection of social and economic development and normal production and life. "Dynamic zero" and normal economic development, production and life are synergistic with each other, not against each other.
Liang Wannian said that "Dynamic Zero" has three sub-goals: first, the protection of physical health and life safety; second, to effectively protect and promote economic development, so that economic development can be protected from the impact of viruses and epidemics; The third is to effectively protect the normal production and life of ordinary people.
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Liang Wannian pointed out that my country is a country with a large population, regional development is unbalanced, medical resources are generally insufficient, and resource allocation is unbalanced. As I said just now, the overall vaccination rate of "one old and one young" is not high enough. In the face of the repeated impact of the new crown pneumonia epidemic, if the so-called "lying flat" strategy of coexisting with the virus is adopted, there will be a serious risk of running on medical and health resources. The health of a large number of patients with underlying diseases, the elderly, children, and pregnant women will be threatened.
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Li Bin emphasized that under the premise of adhering to the general policy of "dynamic zero", we encourage local governments to explore and summarize some good experiences and practices based on the local epidemic situation and characteristics. Further improve the scientific and precise level of epidemic prevention and control, and strive to achieve the greatest prevention and control effect with the least cost.
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"Dynamic zero" also promotes the development of the digital economy. For example, the telemedicine and big data technologies we use have promoted the development of China's digital economy, effectively safeguarding people's livelihood, and protecting vulnerable groups.(
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29 Apr 2022, 1:36 am
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01 Jun 2022, 12:46 pm
Cases in Taiwan in the last month. They switched policy in early May.
The data is not optimistic. The right Y-axis corresponds to the blue line, which is the number of deaths.
Quote:
The command center announced today that there were 88,247 new local cases of COVID-19, and 240 more cases of moderate and severe cases (136 cases of moderate disease and 104 cases of severe disease). 122 people died.
Including 2 infants under 1 year old, they were diagnosed by sudden death at home, of which a 1-month-old boy became the smallest death case.
Including 2 infants under 1 year old, they were diagnosed by sudden death at home, of which a 1-month-old boy became the smallest death case.
Perhaps "dynamic zero" is the lesser of two evils.
But obviously the choice is not in my hands.
01 Jun 2022, 1:07 pm
