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26 Apr 2022, 2:39 pm
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26 Apr 2022, 9:45 pm
Pepe wrote:
Redd_Kross wrote:
In practice this seems to mean freedom of speech provided your thoughts align with those of Elon Musk, particularly if you're a Tesla employee.
Speculation.
Time will tell if your *belief* is correct.
Even if it does eventuate, it can't be worse than it is/was, right?
Plenty of examples out there, but here's a couple for starters...
Cristina Balan defamation case
Anti-union discimination
Tesla worker fired for reporting racism in the workplace
More Tesla anti-union stuff
Musk is all about freedom of speech when it's going his way. But his personal tweets and his company's managerial practices all point to an extreme dislike of anyone saying anything that veers from the corporate line. Even when it would be in the company's interests to pay attention, for example over safety concerns or toxic workplace culture.
That doesn't fill me with confidence over the future of Twitter. Musk is all about the image-boosting soundbites but doesn't deliver (or even seemingly believe in) half the great things he says.
If he's such a big believer in free speech, why does Tesla have such draconian non-disclosure clauses in all their contracts??
Musk says things to look good, but has no intention of actually doing what he says. He's a superficial attention whore who seems unaware of his own hypocrisy, and in that respect he's remarkably similar to Donald Trump. Except dangerously, he's much smarter. That's a problem because Musk is much better at disguising his sociopathic tendencies AND more likely to actually come up with plans that succeed.
There's a lot of people who never fell for Trump's nonsense but are still getting charmed by Musk.
26 Apr 2022, 11:17 pm
27 Apr 2022, 12:35 am
Redd_Kross wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Redd_Kross wrote:
In practice this seems to mean freedom of speech provided your thoughts align with those of Elon Musk, particularly if you're a Tesla employee.
Speculation.
Time will tell if your *belief* is correct.
Even if it does eventuate, it can't be worse than it is/was, right?
Plenty of examples out there, but here's a couple for starters...
Cristina Balan defamation case
Anti-union discimination
Tesla worker fired for reporting racism in the workplace
More Tesla anti-union stuff
Musk is all about freedom of speech when it's going his way. But his personal tweets and his company's managerial practices all point to an extreme dislike of anyone saying anything that veers from the corporate line. Even when it would be in the company's interests to pay attention, for example over safety concerns or toxic workplace culture.
That doesn't fill me with confidence over the future of Twitter. Musk is all about the image-boosting soundbites but doesn't deliver (or even seemingly believe in) half the great things he says.
If he's such a big believer in free speech, why does Tesla have such draconian non-disclosure clauses in all their contracts??
Musk says things to look good, but has no intention of actually doing what he says. He's a superficial attention whore who seems unaware of his own hypocrisy, and in that respect he's remarkably similar to Donald Trump. Except dangerously, he's much smarter. That's a problem because Musk is much better at disguising his sociopathic tendencies AND more likely to actually come up with plans that succeed.
There's a lot of people who never fell for Trump's nonsense but are still getting charmed by Musk.
The proof will be in the eating reading.
Over here in Australia, Twitter is known for being a toxic left-wing echo chamber.
I don't even have an account.
I am considering making one now, to see the fracas as a result of the new ownership.
27 Apr 2022, 12:38 am
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27 Apr 2022, 12:46 am
kraftiekortie wrote:
I don't like it when one person has a monopoly over something like Tw!tter. There is potential for considerable abuse of free speech.
Agreed.
And biased censorship, as there is with Sucka*urd and Facebook.
27 Apr 2022, 12:49 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
It's easy for Trump to say what he'd do after the fact. But going by what John Bolton claims - and while I don't like or agree with Bolton, I respect him for his honesty - Trump had been planning to pull out of NATO in his second term, leaving the alliance without American might or leadership. The fact that Trump had made a total reversal of the GOP's policies in regard to Russia, and that Trump had been in contact with the Putin during his campaign against Clinton and saw Putin as his benefactor, I don't buy that he would have taken a hard stance against Russia.
All unrealised speculation.
Not at all. While many see Bolton as a bloodthirsty warmonger - and he probably is - he's still at least very honest, and so I believe him.
The GOP party platform had been Anti-Russian till Trump demanded it be changed when he ran against Clinton. That is verifiable. https://www.npr.org/2017/12/04/56831079 ... ne-support
Trump in fact had opened the White House up to Russian intelligence. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/19/us/p ... cfaul.html
Trump sees Putin as his benefactor, as proof from his actions. https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-sho ... -rcna17565
You respect Bolton when he says something you agree with.
As I said.
Unrealised speculation.
Let us agree to disagree.
I don't like Bolton's ugly American foreign policy during the Bush years, but I've always respected him for his straight forward honesty. And honesty is a trait Trump's never had.
Erm.
So, no "agree to disagree" with you then...
27 Apr 2022, 1:05 am
Pepe wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
I don't like it when one person has a monopoly over something like Tw!tter. There is potential for considerable abuse of free speech.
Agreed.
And biased censorship, as there is with Sucka*urd and Facebook.
I'm not convinced FB censorship is biased, it seems to be equally fussy and illogical in every direction.
Most of the policing is done by automated systems that aren't very smart and don't understand context, irony etc. And I'm saying that as an Aspie, so it must be doubly annoying for NTs.
27 Apr 2022, 1:24 am
Redd_Kross wrote:
Pepe wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
I don't like it when one person has a monopoly over something like Tw!tter. There is potential for considerable abuse of free speech.
Agreed.
And biased censorship, as there is with Sucka*urd and Facebook.
I'm not convinced FB censorship is biased, it seems to be equally fussy and illogical in every direction.
Most of the policing is done by automated systems that aren't very smart and don't understand context, irony etc. And I'm saying that as an Aspie, so it must be doubly annoying for NTs.
*cough* Covid *cough*
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