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26 May 2022, 2:35 pm

We have our serious problems in South Africa, including a girl who was kidnapped outside her school but later found unharmed, but we haven't had any mass shootings at schools here. Our children can feel comparatively safe. At shopping malls people might be in danger if caught in crossfire while criminals are robbing a cash in transit vehicle. I can't imagine how the people of Uvalde must be feeling.


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26 May 2022, 3:10 pm

Brictoria wrote:
From Tulsi Gabbard's Twitter:
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Politicians rush to send $40 billion to Ukraine, yet we don’t have enough money to protect our children with simple life saving solutions, like single points of entry to schools, staff training, mental health services, threat hotlines, and more.

Source: https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1529761446221201408


Gabbard is a cretin, and at the very least a useful idiot in service to Russia.


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26 May 2022, 3:16 pm

Skunk - In regard to your question about the "Deep State" bogeyman being a non-government imperative - - Huh?


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26 May 2022, 4:35 pm

envirozentinel wrote:
We have our serious problems in South Africa, including a girl who was kidnapped outside her school but later found unharmed, but we haven't had any mass shootings at schools here. Our children can feel comparatively safe. At shopping malls people might be in danger if caught in crossfire while criminals are robbing a cash in transit vehicle. I can't imagine how the people of Uvalde must be feeling.


How are the farm shootings? are they considered hate crimes in south Africa?



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26 May 2022, 4:48 pm

The teacher's husband died today from a massive heart attack.

They've orphaned four children.

Can this get any worse?



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26 May 2022, 4:50 pm

Yes I read that. Very sad.



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26 May 2022, 4:57 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
Can this get any worse?

I dunno.
:cry:
The source of evil might take that as a dare.

All these shootings.
All these deaths.
All these wars.
How does this little ball of rock and water not itself collapse under all the pain and heartbreak?

In the early 1990s I read a sci-fi/fantasy novel titled,
Planet of Tears.
Truly this one is.


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26 May 2022, 5:12 pm

WRT kitesandtrainsandcats' posts - AIUI the school had implemented all of the recommendations for making it safe from shooters.


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26 May 2022, 5:33 pm

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... the school had implemented all of the recommendations for making it safe from shooters.


Question is, which information is accurate :?:
Looking at news just now it may be a momentary lapse which allowed the shooter in.
Have seen reports that he jumped a fence too.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/ ... d=84952985
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Texas school shooting live updates: Gunman entered unobstructed through unlocked door

The school doors were supposed to be locked during the day.
ByMeredith Deliso,Melissa Gaffney,Nadine El-Bawab, andMorgan Winsor
Last Updated: May 26, 2022, 5:19 PM ET
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A student who was in the classroom next door to the one the gunman entered recounted to ABC News what she did next.

Gemma Lopez, 10, said she heard five to six gunshots and commotion outside her classroom at Robb Elementary School before a bullet whizzed by her arm and into the wall. She recalled seeing a puff of smoke, which is when she knew they were all in danger.

She said she turned off the lights and then ducked under the tables -- what she learned to do in the active shooter training she has undergone since kindergarten. There were no locks inside and they did not have a key in the classroom to lock the door from the inside, she said.
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https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/st ... acked-them
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Pennington, 37, a substitute teacher with the Uvalde school district, said she plans to transfer her son and move to a smaller nearby district.

Though she criticized the lack of security cameras and guards at the school, she also said she felt law enforcement responded rapidly.

“The kids were evacuated very quickly. It wasn’t long before I saw him. I felt like they did a good job,” she said as she stood with her son facing a memorial to the victims, 21 crosses erected in a park at the center of town.
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26 May 2022, 5:37 pm

:cry: What a sorry state of affairs - old enough to buy guns, too young to buy beer.


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26 May 2022, 5:42 pm

kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
There were no locks inside and they did not have a key in the classroom to lock the door from the inside, she said.



This is why our schools teach with the classroom doorknobs locked, even when doors are ajar. The idea is that if a student is closer to the door for lockdown or if the teacher isn't available, they can lock the door just by closing it.

There are some drawbacks I suppose, like if the shooter gets in the room somehow and locks the police out, but overall I think it's still a smart procedure.

Teachers here also have to shut curtains and even stick posters over the classroom windows, time permitting.
The classroom door windows always need to be covered with paper.

What a bloody shame that they were otherwise so well prepared with their drills.



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26 May 2022, 5:45 pm

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:cry: What a sorry state of affairs - old enough to buy guns, too young to buy beer.


Truth.

Think I've seen someone explain the logic as, "If you are old enough for the government to draft you in to the army then you are old enough to buy guns".

I don't recall them following that by detailing how life in the army differs from life in the 'burbs.


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26 May 2022, 5:51 pm

Looking at the school building I'd wager its original part was built in the 1950s or 60s.

The classrooms were not on interior hallways but each opened to the outside.
Similar to small motels of the era.
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.1996914 ... 384!8i8192

Back wall of classrooms is entirely windows,
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.2002969 ... 384!8i8192


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26 May 2022, 5:58 pm

That's how my high school was in California.
The classroom doors opened to outdoors, with no hallways.
I was always terrified by that.

(I'm afraid of motels, too.)


Those windows aren't even big enough for evacuation.

Shivers. :(



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26 May 2022, 7:00 pm

This reporter doing good work!


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26 May 2022, 7:10 pm

CubsBullsBears wrote:
This reporter doing good work!


One has to ask why that idiot's constituents keep voting for him.


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